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McCain is blowing his election chances.

 
 
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 09:12 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
McCain is dead in the water. Thank bush as much as anything. After 8 years of bush.... the republicans would have to put up someone history making in their outstanding-ness (a word?) and McCain ain't it.

This race is Obama's to lose. It would have been any democrat's race to lose IMO.


Too true. It's probably too late, but I'd love to hear him say what a dick Bush was in the 2000 campaign. Not that it would necessarily change my mind.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 10:24 am
Re: McCain is blowing his election chances.
woiyo wrote:
I would agree that McCain and his campaign has been "uneven" to date.

Yet, I find it amazing he is as close as he is.

To me that says more about Obama inability to gather support except from the hard core democrat.
Yep... he's black all right. Consider that in the last 3 decades; only one Candidate won by a safe enough margin that he could afford to have 5% of the voting public go to the other side over something like race. Really. So, if 1 voter in 20 fits this profile; that is basically the difference between a dead heat and a landslide. I, for one, will be canceling a bigot's vote.

Take note at how often a relatively narrow Popular lead results in dominant Electoral performance!

2004 Popular: Bush 51.2% Kerry 48.3% Electoral: Electoral: 286-251
2000 Popular: Bush 47.9% Gore 48.4% Electoral: 271-266
1996 Popular: Clinton 49.24% Dole 40.71% Electoral: 379-159 (less than 10%)
1992 Popular: Clinton 43.0% Bush 37.4% Perot 18.9% Electoral: 370-168 (less than 6%)
1988 Popular: Bush 53.4% Dukakis 45.6% Electoral: 426-111 (less than 8%)
1984 Popular: Reagan 58.8% Mondale 40.6% Electoral: 525-13
1980 Popular: Reagan 50.7% Carter 41.0% Electoral: 489-49 (less than 10%)
1976 Popular: Carter 50.1% Ford 48.0% Electoral: 297-240
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 10:30 am
Re: McCain is blowing his election chances.
OCCOM BILL wrote:
woiyo wrote:
I would agree that McCain and his campaign has been "uneven" to date.

Yet, I find it amazing he is as close as he is.

To me that says more about Obama inability to gather support except from the hard core democrat.
Yep... he's black all right. Consider that in the last 3 decades; only one Candidate won by a safe enough margin that he could afford to have 5% of the voting public go to the other side over something like race. Really. So, if 1 voter in 20 fits this profile; that is basically the difference between a dead heat and a landslide. I, for one, will be canceling a bigot's vote.

Take note at how often a relatively narrow Popular lead results in dominant Electoral performance!

2004 Popular: Bush 51.2% Kerry 48.3% Electoral: Electoral: 286-251
2000 Popular: Bush 47.9% Gore 48.4% Electoral: 271-266
1996 Popular: Clinton 49.24% Dole 40.71% Electoral: 379-159 (less than 10%)
1992 Popular: Clinton 43.0% Bush 37.4% Perot 18.9% Electoral: 370-168 (less than 6%)
1988 Popular: Bush 53.4% Dukakis 45.6% Electoral: 426-111 (less than 8%)
1984 Popular: Reagan 58.8% Mondale 40.6% Electoral: 525-13
1980 Popular: Reagan 50.7% Carter 41.0% Electoral: 489-49 (less than 10%)
1976 Popular: Carter 50.1% Ford 48.0% Electoral: 297-240


anyone not voting for obama is a bigot. riiiiiiight....
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 10:32 am
Bill didn't say that, just that HE would be canceling out one bigot.

Cycloptichorn
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 10:34 am
Re: McCain is blowing his election chances.
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
anyone not voting for obama is a bigot. riiiiiiight....


Shocked

Seems to be pretty clear from OB's post that he's been saying that anyone not voting for Obama merely because of his race is a bigot....


I don't really like OB's inflationary use of the term 'bigot', but in this case, I'd say it'd be warranted....
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 10:46 am
Re: McCain is blowing his election chances.
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
anyone not voting for obama is a bigot. riiiiiiight....
Anyone who interprets what I wrote to mean that is an idiot.

Correct yourself.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 10:52 am
Re: McCain is blowing his election chances.
old europe wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
anyone not voting for obama is a bigot. riiiiiiight....


Shocked

Seems to be pretty clear from OB's post that he's been saying that anyone not voting for Obama merely because of his race is a bigot....


I don't really like OB's inflationary use of the term 'bigot', but in this case, I'd say it'd be warranted....



how is it clear.... I'm an idiot so explain it to me like you would a 4 year old...
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 11:03 am
Re: McCain is blowing his election chances.
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
how is it clear.... I'm an idiot so explain it to me like you would a 4 year old...


Nah. Won't. You're not a 4 year old, and you're perfectly able to read.

Even if you and OB have this thing going on, and even if you're willing to take OB's post to mean something other than what he was explicitly referring to (namely, the percentage "of the voting public go to the other side over something like race"), I'm not really in a position to explain anything to anyone...

:wink:
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 11:06 am
Re: McCain is blowing his election chances.
OCCOM BILL wrote:
only one Candidate won by a safe enough margin that he could afford to have 5% of the voting public go to the other side over something like race. Really. So, if 1 voter in 20 fits this profile; that is basically the difference between a dead heat and a landslide.


Christ, Bear.

O'Bill's saying that MAYBE 1 in 20 are bigoted enough to switch votes because of race.

Id dat cwear enough for widdle beary-kins?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 11:08 am
piss off drew. did someone named quinney screw your wife or something?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 11:11 am
Re: McCain is blowing his election chances.
OCCOM BILL wrote:
woiyo wrote:
I would agree that McCain and his campaign has been "uneven" to date.

Yet, I find it amazing he is as close as he is.

To me that says more about Obama inability to gather support except from the hard core democrat.


Yep... he's black all right. Consider that in the last 3 decades; only one Candidate won by a safe enough margin that he could afford to have 5% of the voting public go to the other side over something like race. Really. So, if 1 voter in 20 fits this profile; that is basically the difference between a dead heat and a landslide. I, for one, will be canceling a bigot's vote.

Take note at how often a relatively narrow Popular lead results in dominant Electoral performance!

2004 Popular: Bush 51.2% Kerry 48.3% Electoral: Electoral: 286-251
2000 Popular: Bush 47.9% Gore 48.4% Electoral: 271-266
1996 Popular: Clinton 49.24% Dole 40.71% Electoral: 379-159 (less than 10%)
1992 Popular: Clinton 43.0% Bush 37.4% Perot 18.9% Electoral: 370-168 (less than 6%)
1988 Popular: Bush 53.4% Dukakis 45.6% Electoral: 426-111 (less than 8%)
1984 Popular: Reagan 58.8% Mondale 40.6% Electoral: 525-13
1980 Popular: Reagan 50.7% Carter 41.0% Electoral: 489-49 (less than 10%)
1976 Popular: Carter 50.1% Ford 48.0% Electoral: 297-240


please note that woiyo makes NO mention of race.... and then O'Bill's first sentence is ..... yup... he's black all right.... a clear indicator that his blackness is the reason that he's not garnering more support.

Then eat me.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 11:13 am
I guess most people see Obama and Hillary so close in their views that it does make one wonder how someone could heartily support Hillary and not transfer that support easily to Obama...unless race is a factor.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 11:14 am
Shocked
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 11:15 am
If they aren't that close in their views, feel free to describe differences...anybody.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 11:16 am
Lash wrote:
If they aren't that close in their views, feel free to describe differences...anybody.


Don't discount the very real effects of petulance. You don't have to be racist, to act like a little brat.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 11:16 am
One has a uterus, but that is not the topic here. Don't make get the yardstick out.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 11:19 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
piss off drew. did someone named quinney screw your wife or something?

You're the one that wanted us to explain things the way we would to a four-year-old.

Is I being too mean? Did I hurt you're widdle feewings?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 11:19 am
To get back to what ebrown said earlier, I do remember when Kerry was frustrating me in a similar way.

I'm not sure if McCain can grab the reins here or if he just has to wait and hope that Obama will self-destruct somehow.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 11:20 am
nope...
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 11:20 am
Lash wrote:
I guess most people see Obama and Hillary so close in their views that it does make one wonder how someone could heartily support Hillary and not transfer that support easily to Obama...unless race is a factor.

I thought Bear had made it clear via his other posts that race is a factor.
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