Bi-Polar Bear wrote:old europe wrote:Bi-Polar Bear wrote:yes... and I haven't switched my opinion.... I'm merely pointing out realities...
Okay. Good for you.
But the realities, as you see them, seem to be:
- He tries running a clean campaign, doesn't stand up to smears, doesn't engage in image control. You've mentioned Kerry as an example. That would show that he's not just another politician, but, inevitably, he would loose.
- He tries to engage in image control. That would show that he's not the messiah, that he doesn't stand for what he claims, and that he's just another politician. So, inevitably, he would loose.
At least that is what I'm getting from your posts on the topic. Is that about right?
nice try. What I'm getting at is closer to your second paragraph..... but I believe he will probably win the election, and wants to for the reasons I have stated many times in many places.
Well, yes, you've said many times that he's not the messiah. That he's just a politician. That, like Hillary, he's just in it because he really wants to become President.
Okay. I get what you're saying.
But, looking at it from a realistic point of view: we all know that the candidates try to sell themselves, that the campaigns are gigantic, multi-million dollar PR machines, that the campaigns are as much about how the candidates communicate their platform as it is about what their political positions are... And that's true for McCain's campaign, for Obama's and for Hillary's.
Nevertheless, the points you seem to criticise about the Obama campaign all seem to have to do with image. Almost exclusively.
For example - based on what I've seen you posting here, and on the positions I've seen you taking:
You don't seem to criticise the fact that Obama wants to try and implement a universal health care system - you criticise the fact that Obama talks a lot about 'change'. You don't seem to criticise that Obama wants to get the troops out of Iraq as soon as possible - you criticise the fact that his campaign runs on the promise of 'keeping above the fray'. You don't seem to criticise that Obama wants to role back the Bush tax cuts for the rich you criticise that the way young Obama supporters come across as 'elitist'.
Bottom line: you seem to criticise people for supporting Obama exclusively based on image, on the promise of 'change', on superficial aspects of his campaign, on the appearance of 'newness'.
Yet, you seem to oppose the Obama campaign almost exclusively based on superficial aspects. On appearance. For example, as in this thread here, on the fact that he apparently tries to control his image.
