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Hillary's Assasination Comment

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 04:39 pm
nimh wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Oh, so it's all about fairness is it?

I do my imperfect best.


Finn dAbuzz wrote:
OK, do any of the Obama supporters believe that any superdelegate will throw his or her support to Clinton because they are afraid Obama may get assassinated?

Different alleged audience; same ridiculous proposal.

Well you wont hear me defend the notion...

And in fairness, there's a lot of level-headed Obama supporters who have rejected the theory that Hillary's gaffe was all a deliberate plan to make superdelegates think twice..


I certainly won't argue with that because even I wouldn't suggest that Obama supporters, in general, are so foolish. The notion is preposterous, but I was hoping someone would take the bait. I made myself a bet on teenyboone. I guess I owe myself a beer.
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teenyboone
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 04:49 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
nimh wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Oh, so it's all about fairness is it?

I do my imperfect best.


Finn dAbuzz wrote:
OK, do any of the Obama supporters believe that any superdelegate will throw his or her support to Clinton because they are afraid Obama may get assassinated?

Different alleged audience; same ridiculous proposal.

Well you wont hear me defend the notion...

And in fairness, there's a lot of level-headed Obama supporters who have rejected the theory that Hillary's gaffe was all a deliberate plan to make superdelegates think twice..


I certainly won't argue with that because even I wouldn't suggest that Obama supporters, in general, are so foolish. The notion is preposterous, but I was hoping someone would take the bait. I made myself a bet on teenyboone. I guess I owe myself a beer.


Finn:
You owe yourself, a beer, then! :wink:
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 05:10 pm
teenyboone wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
nimh wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Oh, so it's all about fairness is it?

I do my imperfect best.


Finn dAbuzz wrote:
OK, do any of the Obama supporters believe that any superdelegate will throw his or her support to Clinton because they are afraid Obama may get assassinated?

Different alleged audience; same ridiculous proposal.

Well you wont hear me defend the notion...

And in fairness, there's a lot of level-headed Obama supporters who have rejected the theory that Hillary's gaffe was all a deliberate plan to make superdelegates think twice..


I certainly won't argue with that because even I wouldn't suggest that Obama supporters, in general, are so foolish. The notion is preposterous, but I was hoping someone would take the bait. I made myself a bet on teenyboone. I guess I owe myself a beer.


Finn:
You owe yourself, a beer, then! :wink:


Yes, as I said.

However, she is white and I figured you might believe anything about someone who is white.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 05:22 pm
teenyboone wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I think it's possible that teenyboone may have a chip on her shoulder to equal snoods... Laughing

odd teeny how he was Barry until it became politically expeidient for him to become a "self proclaimed" black as you put it...

That's EXACTLY how it is! You don't know, yourself, what's in HIS mind! You have a lot of CHEEKY nerve! Chip? I don't have a chip. I'm just stating the facts and YOU can't handle it! Why do I have to have a chip, when you so falsely ASSUME, what's in that man's mind! Why do I have to have a chip, when I am stating the sad history of what you call your proud nation!

It's the LIE you tell yourself, every July 4th! To what is the 4th of July to me?
Just a reminder of how long a race of people were exploited, for their labor, a reminder, that your people said, we Blacks out of Africa had no History, so that the Dutch/English and French took our bodies out of africa in chains and shackles, forced to learn another language, forced to toil day in and day out in the cotton, rice and sugar plantations, in the Americas and West Indies, so that when I went on a pilgrimage of faith, two women
dressed in African dress, came up to me, embraced me and said.
"You my Sister, From 'cross the Water". Confused, I looked at my Mother, who was crying, then the women said, "Did you think we forgot about you"? Elated and overjoyed, I learned they were from Ghana.

Imagine, how I must've felt. Elated, overjoyed and overwhelmed! It's been over 10 years. I have photographs and addresses. A third women was from Lebanon, blond with gray eyes. All three were beautiful, if I could find one word. Chip? You need an excuse to justify your guilt? I always say, that you people, whose ancestors were responsible for the largest holocaust in history, need an excuse to justify your wealth in exploiting Blacks and any other race you need to feed your ego of white supremacy! YOU have a chip! I'm okay with myself, as I'm living history, that YOUR people used and exploited others, all the time. Cool
Interesting tale, with no shortage of truth, and even touching; the part about the sister's from 'cross the water'. But, in your rush to condemn whitey, you conveniently left out the color of those who put most of your ancestors in chains in the first place. Even the ugly truth that is American history isn't as simple as black and white. We are all as evil as we are righteous.

Btw, I'm inclined to agree that the "Black Holocaust" was indeed worse than Hitler's horror, but I suspect Stalin was the grand champion killer of them all. Tough to discount Mao though. We didn't fear communism for nothing.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 06:02 pm
teenyboone wrote:
I always say, that you people, whose ancestors were responsible for the largest holocaust in history, need an excuse to justify your wealth in exploiting Blacks and any other race you need to feed your ego of white supremacy!

"You people"?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 06:05 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
teenyboone wrote:
I always say, that you people, whose ancestors were responsible for the largest holocaust in history, need an excuse to justify your wealth in exploiting Blacks and any other race you need to feed your ego of white supremacy!

"You people"?


Agreed. My ancestors didn't live in this country until far after the days of slavery.

You're painting with a too broad brush, Teeny

Cycloptichorn
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 06:18 pm
My ancestors came here after slavery as well.... and my ancestors were invaded by every country in europe.... a entire RACE of my ancestors (druids) were wiped off the face of the earth in ONE day! My ancestors were slaughtered by Romans with the help of black mercenary soldiers from N. Africa.... but it was a long time ago teeny.... so stop your f*cking whining.... I'm not whining so why don't you grow up.... I grew up in a tough urban neighborhood where I was a minority (I've told this story before) I was called a little white bitch and got robbed and beaten 2 or 3 times a goddam week by blacks.... and the white kids from better neighborhoods told me to go home and hang out with the rest of the niggers.... guess what... everyone's a goddam self interested bully and a racist and bigot...EVERYONE.... no one's interested in a rainbow coalition of brotherhood or any such goddam horseshit... the people who happen to be on top at any given time are interested only in remaining there and those below are interested only in usurping the top dogs position.... with some notable exceptions. We generally kill them.

Sorry, and truly sorry for the undeniable hard times you've been through as a black woman. Not so sorry you can take it out on me though..... I didn't have a goddam thing to do with it.

Now I've just come in from a bike ride and the dog park.... I'm going to fix dinner and then BPB JR and I are going for ice cream.... you can sit in your piss stew.... I'm sure we'll both enjoy it...
:wink:
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 06:19 pm
Hillary's Bone-headed Argument
by Dee Dee Myers

Hillary Clinton's comments on Friday -- invoking Bobby Kennedy's assassination after the California primary in 1968 to shore up her argument that Democratic primaries are often unresolved in June -- were bone-headed on two scores.

First, the obvious. The analogy was in such poor taste that it, predictably, caused a furor that rolled through the long weekend, and obscured anything else Clinton might have said or done while campaigning in Puerto Rico -- even a bit of You Tube-worthy dancing. How did it happen? I get that she was almost certainly tired. I get that editorial boards can seem a little informal, and candidates are sometimes more expansive then in set "interviews." And I get that she'd said it before, and no one -- absolutely no one -- seemed to notice, let alone take exception or offense. But I still don't get it. During my years as a press secretary (including to Hillary's husband, both on the 1992 campaign and in the White House), I developed a powerful internal filter, which worked to strip all things "off message" from my thoughts before they came out of my mouth. It didn't always work, of course, and I said more than a few things I regretted. But "assassination" and "Bobby Kennedy" in the same sentence when discussing her reasons for staying in the race? That's a total head-scratcher. And for the moment anyway, it seems to have altered the dynamics of her finale. I'm pretty sure this isn't the kind of game-changer she had in mind.

But in addition to all that, Clinton's argument is wrong, historically and politically. Democratic presidential primaries never really last this long. True, Bill Clinton didn't have enough delegates to "go over the top" until June of 1992. But as soon as Paul Tsongas, the last serious candidate, dropped out on March 20, Bill Clinton became the presumptive nominee. Similarly, when Bobby Kennedy was shot on his way out of the a victory celebration in Los Angeles on June 5, 1968, and died the next day, the campaign was not quite three months old, and only 13 states had held primaries. In other words, that race was far from over.

So if Clinton wants to keep on keeping on, as she clearly does, she should argue that this race is unprecedented, that at no time in history have two candidates been in a virtual tie after 48 states have held primaries or caucuses, and some 35 million people have weighed in. Since it's come this far, she might say, she should be allowed to see it through, until "every vote is counted," including those in Florida and Michigan. It is, after all, historic.

Instead, she's arguing precedent. And the most analogous race is not 1992 or 1968, but 1984. In that race, the establishment candidate and presumptive nominee got surprised in the early contests by a virtual unknown promising new ideas and a new generation of leadership. The frontrunner's lead evaporated, and he had to battle the challenger through a long primary season which didn't end until the last contests in early June. When the dust had settled, the two had an almost equal number of pledged delegates and votes. But a series of gaffes by the less experienced candidate -- as well as the establishment candidate's support among superdelegates -- allowed the latter to claim the nomination.

And after Walter Mondale beat Gary Hart, he went on to lose 49 states in November.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 06:30 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
teenyboone wrote:
I always say, that you people, whose ancestors were responsible for the largest holocaust in history, need an excuse to justify your wealth in exploiting Blacks and any other race you need to feed your ego of white supremacy!

"You people"?


Agreed. My ancestors didn't live in this country until far after the days of slavery.

You're painting with a too broad brush, Teeny

Cycloptichorn


Teeny, aren't you doing what you get so angry at others for doing? Bigotry and stereotyping isn't monotone, it comes in many colors.

And, what's more, I strongly object to your bashing of Obama because his African roots aren't from slavery. That doesn't change the fact that his father was from Kenya, which is still one of the countries on the continent of Africa unless something changed recently. In fact, he's only one generation away from Africa while many who label themselves as "African-Americans" are several generations away from their origins in Africa.

I also strongly object to your proclamation that because Barack Obama is bi-racial that that isn't the same as being descended from chattel slaves. It's a sad history, but nevertheless, many of you are also bi-racial due to the past practice of white owners raping their women slaves as breeders.

These comparisons of stereotypes are unbecoming and beneath you, Teenybone. You misrepesent yourself with them.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 06:34 pm
no, she presents herself perfectly and honestly.
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teenyboone
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 06:36 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
teenyboone wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I think it's possible that teenyboone may have a chip on her shoulder to equal snoods... Laughing

odd teeny how he was Barry until it became politically expeidient for him to become a "self proclaimed" black as you put it...

That's EXACTLY how it is! You don't know, yourself, what's in HIS mind! You have a lot of CHEEKY nerve! Chip? I don't have a chip. I'm just stating the facts and YOU can't handle it! Why do I have to have a chip, when you so falsely ASSUME, what's in that man's mind! Why do I have to have a chip, when I am stating the sad history of what you call your proud nation!

It's the LIE you tell yourself, every July 4th! To what is the 4th of July to me?
Just a reminder of how long a race of people were exploited, for their labor, a reminder, that your people said, we Blacks out of Africa had no History, so that the Dutch/English and French took our bodies out of africa in chains and shackles, forced to learn another language, forced to toil day in and day out in the cotton, rice and sugar plantations, in the Americas and West Indies, so that when I went on a pilgrimage of faith, two women
dressed in African dress, came up to me, embraced me and said.
"You my Sister, From 'cross the Water". Confused, I looked at my Mother, who was crying, then the women said, "Did you think we forgot about you"? Elated and overjoyed, I learned they were from Ghana.

Imagine, how I must've felt. Elated, overjoyed and overwhelmed! It's been over 10 years. I have photographs and addresses. A third women was from Lebanon, blond with gray eyes. All three were beautiful, if I could find one word. Chip? You need an excuse to justify your guilt? I always say, that you people, whose ancestors were responsible for the largest holocaust in history, need an excuse to justify your wealth in exploiting Blacks and any other race you need to feed your ego of white supremacy! YOU have a chip! I'm okay with myself, as I'm living history, that YOUR people used and exploited others, all the time. Cool
Interesting tale, with no shortage of truth, and even touching; the part about the sister's from 'cross the water'. But, in your rush to condemn whitey, you conveniently left out the color of those who put most of your ancestors in chains in the first place. Even the ugly truth that is American history isn't as simple as black and white. We are all as evil as we are righteous.

Btw, I'm inclined to agree that the "Black Holocaust" was indeed worse than Hitler's horror, but I suspect Stalin was the grand champion killer of them all. Tough to discount Mao though. We didn't fear communism for nothing.


Strange, how you label the truth! I also know all too well, that some Africans, also played a role in this evil and you are right about Stalin and Mao, except, the Middle Passage, as Slavery was called, took place over 450 years, so Mao and Stalin, however despotic, along with Herr Hitler, the quasi Aryan, he thought he was, does not give the English and the French a "get out of jail, free", card! So since you know the color, because there was no such thing as Black or White people, until we came to the US!
Rolling Eyes
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teenyboone
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 06:41 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
teenyboone wrote:
I always say, that you people, whose ancestors were responsible for the largest holocaust in history, need an excuse to justify your wealth in exploiting Blacks and any other race you need to feed your ego of white supremacy!

"You people"?


Agreed. My ancestors didn't live in this country until far after the days of slavery.

You're painting with a too broad brush, Teeny

Cycloptichorn


Is that like saying it didn't happen, because your people weren't here? What does your family have to do with the stated facts? All I'm saying is, if the shoe fits.... Rolling Eyes
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 06:47 pm
teenyboone wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
teenyboone wrote:
I always say, that you people, whose ancestors were responsible for the largest holocaust in history, need an excuse to justify your wealth in exploiting Blacks and any other race you need to feed your ego of white supremacy!

"You people"?


Agreed. My ancestors didn't live in this country until far after the days of slavery.

You're painting with a too broad brush, Teeny

Cycloptichorn


Is that like saying it didn't happen, because your people weren't here? What does your family have to do with the stated facts? All I'm saying is, if the shoe fits.... Rolling Eyes


But it doesn't fit. That's the point. Generalizations about the past and what happened to people in the past, and how that relates to people today, are really not such a good idea; for every individual carries their own story and won't fit your stereotype.

It's not that it didn't happen; it's just that, well. I didn't have anything to do with it, none of my direct relatives had anything to do with it; so what you have described isn't me, though my skin is technically what you would call 'white.'

Cycloptichorn
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teenyboone
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 06:53 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
teenyboone wrote:
I always say, that you people, whose ancestors were responsible for the largest holocaust in history, need an excuse to justify your wealth in exploiting Blacks and any other race you need to feed your ego of white supremacy!

"You people"?


Agreed. My ancestors didn't live in this country until far after the days of slavery.

You're painting with a too broad brush, Teeny

Cycloptichorn


Teeny, aren't you doing what you get so angry at others for doing? Bigotry and stereotyping isn't monotone, it comes in many colors.

And, what's more, I strongly object to your bashing of Obama because his African roots aren't from slavery. That doesn't change the fact that his father was from Kenya, which is still one of the countries on the continent of Africa unless something changed recently. In fact, he's only one generation away from Africa while many who label themselves as "African-Americans" are several generations away from their origins in Africa.

I also strongly object to your proclamation that because Barack Obama is bi-racial that that isn't the same as being descended from chattel slaves. It's a sad history, but nevertheless, many of you are also bi-racial due to the past practice of white owners raping their women slaves as breeders.

These comparisons of stereotypes are unbecoming and beneath you, Teenybone. You misrepesent yourself with them.


Not knocking Obama at all and don't know what you're reading into or assuming. Occom Bill, keeps harping on Barack Obama's Blackness, but he is actually Bi-Racial. It's YOUR people who keep paining people of color with a Broad-brush, as YOU call it! Object all you want,; strongly or not. I'm stating what I think and don't care how you or anyone is taking it.

Oh did I touch a nerve of yours? Schitt, I'm the one who has been discriminated against SOLELY on my inherited, pigmentation. I'm neither Black nor white and it's obvious that SOMEONE was raped somewhere along the line, resulting in my fair skin and "white" features. There's nothing on me that would tell you I'm Black, unless I told you, so until Barack Obama revealed his white mother, who I wished were alive to see her son today and how proud we are of him, his accomplishments and his unblemished persona. The whites who are itching to FIND something "black" in his past, because he's never been arrested, played by the rules and oh, I forgot, he tried drugs, like so many of you, out there and oh, he latched onto a crazed Black Preacher, who hates America, but as far as I'm concerned "tells it like it is"! No holds barred, so no miss, you dialed the wrong number!

I love Barack Obama, his Black educated wife, his 2 caramel daughters and any damned thing else, he represents! Look up bigotry and whatever else you're hanging up on me and see that you're wrong! Any questions?

Cool
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teenyboone
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 07:02 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
teenyboone wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
teenyboone wrote:
I always say, that you people, whose ancestors were responsible for the largest holocaust in history, need an excuse to justify your wealth in exploiting Blacks and any other race you need to feed your ego of white supremacy!

"You people"?


Agreed. My ancestors didn't live in this country until far after the days of slavery.

You're painting with a too broad brush, Teeny

Cycloptichorn


Is that like saying it didn't happen, because your people weren't here? What does your family have to do with the stated facts? All I'm saying is, if the shoe fits.... Rolling Eyes


But it doesn't fit. That's the point. Generalizations about the past and what happened to people in the past, and how that relates to people today, are really not such a good idea; for every individual carries their own story and won't fit your stereotype.

It's not that it didn't happen; it's just that, well. I didn't have anything to do with it, none of my direct relatives had anything to do with it; so what you have described isn't me, though my skin is technically what you would call 'white.'

Cycloptichorn


Slavery ended in 1863. On paper, not in practice. In 1964, Blacks were given the right to vote, without having to pay poll taxes or be land owners, which were Jim Crows way of keeping Southern Blacks off of the voting rolls, so now with the draconian Rockefeller Drug Laws, the 3 strikes rule, the right to vote is still being denied.

In 2000, blacks were systemically pulled off the voting rolls, disenfranchised, in the state of Florida. In 2004, the same thing happened in Ohio. As far as I'm concerned the "fix" is already in for 2008!

All of you who claim, you had nothing to do with slavery and do nothing while this country continues it backwards push of only 35-40 years of so-called civil rights, deserve each other, you quasi "liberals"! So if you had nothing to do with slavery, why are you responding? Rolling Eyes
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 07:06 pm
Because we like you. Isn't it obvious?

Cycloptichorn
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 07:15 pm
she is cute when she gets riled up....
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 09:53 pm
teenyboone wrote:
Strange, how you label the truth! I also know all too well, that some Africans, also played a role in this evil and you are right about Stalin and Mao, except, the Middle Passage, as Slavery was called, took place over 450 years, so Mao and Stalin, however despotic, along with Herr Hitler, the quasi Aryan, he thought he was, does not give the English and the French a "get out of jail, free", card! So since you know the color, because there was no such thing as Black or White people, until we came to the US!
Rolling Eyes
450 years of horrors, no question. To the best of my knowledge, no ancestor of mine took part, but that matters not. I'm ashamed of my race that such horrors ever took place... and that they're still taking place today, in some quarters. By "my race", in this case, I mean the human race. I would no more try to excuse slavery than I would witch burning or baby eating. And there can be no doubt that blacks in this country have the biggest hills to climb, even today, let alone our not so distant past. And I wouldn't pretend to understand how it feels to be black. I understand what it's like to be the minority just like I can get a feel for what it's like to be deaf by cranking my Ipod... but I know I could never really get what it's like to never be able to turn it off. That's real. That's your perspective... and I'll forgive your transgressions on that account.

On the other hand; your might want to take care to pay a little more attention to who you accuse. Cyclops is an almost rabid Obama supporter. JoeFromChicago I believe is as into him, if a little more reserved in his delivery. I am a Right-leaning independent who's caught the bug, first reporting his Presidential potential in 2004 shortly after the DNC, who decided long ago that if the decision was even close to a toss-up; Obama gets my support because of his color. The hateful rash of racism I've seen on A2K since Obama has proven himself viable has all but set my vote in concrete, if only to negate the closet bigots and the more overt racist A-holes.

I'll also continue to try to understand the "it's our turn" feelings you might be having, just as I've tried not to be too harsh on the older white women who thought it was "their turn". (You've no doubt seen some of these hell-bent Hillary supporting ladies who've exhibited considerably less rational thought than usual :wink: ). It really isn't terribly hard to understand either, when you consider the elapsed time between Abigail Adams and Alice Paul... or the 450 years that may as well been etched on your soul.

Know this: I want Barack Hussein Obama to be my next President. So does most of A2K, if Nimh's occasional polls are to be believed (and they are)(aren't you about due for another one Nimh?). I want this only in part because he's black... and a rather small part at that. Mostly I want Obama because he's Obama... an American Washington outsider who appears to have a sharp mind of his own... who winces when I'd wince... who's facial expressions when he's in thought tell me he's actually thinking, instead of trying to remember what he's supposed to say.

Yikes, I'm rambling a little. Anyway, for your own sake, I'd like to see you paint with a narrower brush.

GObama!
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 10:02 pm
Well spake (or wrote), sir.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 10:04 pm
Very Happy Guilty Of Being White


by Minor Threat


I'm sorry
For something I didn't do
Lynched somebody
But I don't know who
You blame me for slavery
A hundred years before I was born

Guilt of being white


I'm a convict
Of a racist crime
I've only served
19 years of my time


Guilty of being white
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