Obama's electability

Foxfyre wrote:

rabel22 wrote:

Cyclo
As much as I hate too I have to agree that the rich don't pay their share of taxes. Just as in insurance rates the more you insure for in value the more you have pay. It should be so in taxation as well. The more value one has to protect the more they should pay in taxes. Corporations as well as individuals. But since we have to depend on politicians to right this wrong I wont hold my breath until it happens.

Rabel, see this REALLY GOOD ANALYSIS here:

Statistics are easily manipulated.

Why do you think this article from the Center of Budget and Policy Priorities, says the exact opposite of what yours says?

Or this article, from an unbiased source?

And then there's this,also showing exactly the opposite of your article.

Maybe my links are just not objective and unbiased, like "The American."

kickycan wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

rabel22 wrote:

Cyclo
As much as I hate too I have to agree that the rich don't pay their share of taxes. Just as in insurance rates the more you insure for in value the more you have pay. It should be so in taxation as well. The more value one has to protect the more they should pay in taxes. Corporations as well as individuals. But since we have to depend on politicians to right this wrong I wont hold my breath until it happens.

Rabel, see this REALLY GOOD ANALYSIS here:

Statistics are easily manipulated.

Why do you think this article from the Center of Budget and Policy Priorities, says the exact opposite of what yours says?

Or this article, from an unbiased source?

And then there's this,also showing exactly the opposite of your article.

Maybe my links are just not objective and unbiased, like "The American."

I think your sources are 2 to 4 years old and are based on biased projections rather than on actualities. My source is less than 6 months old. Try harder.

Stephen Moore is senior economics writer for the Wall Street Journal editorial board and a contrib­utor to CNBC TV. He was the founder of the Club for Growth and has served as a fiscal policy analyst at the Cato Institute and the Heritage Foundation. His latest book is "Bullish on Bush: How George Bush's Ownership Society Will Make America Stronger" (Madison Books).

Foxfyre... you need to read your Bible more.

Zaccheus... after coming into contact with Jesus, gave half of what he owned to the poor, and made restitution to anyone he cheated.

If only Republicans (who claim to follow Jesus) would be like this.

I think your sources are 2 to 4 years old and are based on biased projections rather than on actualities. My source is less than 6 months old. Try harder.

au1929 wrote:

There is one issue that as yet has not come up in this campaign. However, it probably will before long. And that is- is Obama a socialist? Having wondered about it I made the effort to see what I could find on the web regarding the question. I will not say what I found and leave it to those that are interested to do the research and make their own conclusions other than to say there is much in his background and associations would indicate at the very least his flirtation with socialism.

You're really flailing about now. It's sort of pathetic.

I really hope you guys go with your smear and fear campaign, I really do. Obama will win by a landslide.

Cycloptichorn

I think the evidence is pretty strong that all were of the opinion that caring for widows and orphans was the responsibility of the individual, and not a single one looked to the government to assume that role.

That's nice Fox.. But like most sites that use statistics like that, they fail to mention that personal income taxes make up about 45% of federal revenues for 2007.
http://origin.www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy09/hist.html
Table 2.1

Do you think it is 'fair' to ignore 55% of taxes when declaring WHO pays what in "taxes"?

Foxfyre wrote:

I think the evidence is pretty strong that all were of the opinion that caring for widows and orphans was the responsibility of the individual, and not a single one looked to the government to assume that role.

You're correct.

But on the other hand, the Jews didn't like the Romans so much, too.

Foxfyre wrote:

I think your sources are 2 to 4 years old and are based on biased projections rather than on actualities. My source is less than 6 months old. Try harder.

Since your source is only 6 months old you think it would have been more accurate about who really pays taxes. Don't you?

The share of revenues for the Federal govt that comes from income taxes has gone from 50% in 2001 to 45% in 2007.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

au1929 wrote:

There is one issue that as yet has not come up in this campaign. However, it probably will before long. And that is- is Obama a socialist? Having wondered about it I made the effort to see what I could find on the web regarding the question. I will not say what I found and leave it to those that are interested to do the research and make their own conclusions other than to say there is much in his background and associations would indicate at the very least his flirtation with socialism.

You're really flailing about now. It's sort of pathetic.

I really hope you guys go with your smear and fear campaign, I really do. Obama will win by a landslide.

Cycloptichorn

Did you bother to make the effort to get a read on the question or as usual are you talking through your blowhole.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

au1929 wrote:

There is one issue that as yet has not come up in this campaign. However, it probably will before long. And that is- is Obama a socialist? Having wondered about it I made the effort to see what I could find on the web regarding the question. I will not say what I found and leave it to those that are interested to do the research and make their own conclusions other than to say there is much in his background and associations would indicate at the very least his flirtation with socialism.

You're really flailing about now. It's sort of pathetic.

I really hope you guys go with your smear and fear campaign, I really do. Obama will win by a landslide.

Cycloptichorn

Did you bother to make the effort to get a read on the question or as usual are you talking through your blowhole.

parados wrote:

That's nice Fox.. But like most sites that use statistics like that, they fail to mention that personal income taxes make up about 45% of federal revenues for 2007.
http://origin.www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy09/hist.html
Table 2.1

Do you think it is 'fair' to ignore 55% of taxes when declaring WHO pays what in "taxes"?

I don't recall that the tables referred to income taxes alone, but if they did, I can guarantee you the amount of taxes paid will be skewed even more heavily toward the rich if you add in capital gains and corporate taxes.

au1929 wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

au1929 wrote:

There is one issue that as yet has not come up in this campaign. However, it probably will before long. And that is- is Obama a socialist? Having wondered about it I made the effort to see what I could find on the web regarding the question. I will not say what I found and leave it to those that are interested to do the research and make their own conclusions other than to say there is much in his background and associations would indicate at the very least his flirtation with socialism.

You're really flailing about now. It's sort of pathetic.

I really hope you guys go with your smear and fear campaign, I really do. Obama will win by a landslide.

Cycloptichorn

Did you bother to make the effort to get a read on the question or as usual are you talking through your blowhole.

The thing is, you don't know what you are talking about at all. It's like saying, 'Is McCain a Fascist? I have done some research, but he's at least flirted with it.' It's not worth really responding to, b/c to you, 'socialist' is used as a code word for 'black liberal.'

Cycloptichorn

parados wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

I think your sources are 2 to 4 years old and are based on biased projections rather than on actualities. My source is less than 6 months old. Try harder.

Since your source is only 6 months old you think it would have been more accurate about who really pays taxes. Don't you?

The share of revenues for the Federal govt that comes from income taxes has gone from 50% in 2001 to 45% in 2007.

Post better statistics from a current source if you have one.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

au1929 wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

au1929 wrote:

There is one issue that as yet has not come up in this campaign. However, it probably will before long. And that is- is Obama a socialist? Having wondered about it I made the effort to see what I could find on the web regarding the question. I will not say what I found and leave it to those that are interested to do the research and make their own conclusions other than to say there is much in his background and associations would indicate at the very least his flirtation with socialism.

You're really flailing about now. It's sort of pathetic.

I really hope you guys go with your smear and fear campaign, I really do. Obama will win by a landslide.

Cycloptichorn

Did you bother to make the effort to get a read on the question or as usual are you talking through your blowhole.

The thing is, you don't know what you are talking about at all. It's like saying, 'Is McCain a Fascist? I have done some research, but he's at least flirted with it.' It's not worth really responding to, b/c to you, 'socialist' is used as a code word for 'black liberal.'

Cycloptichorn

Even for you that is a rather stupid response>

Foxfyre... you need to read your Bible more.

Zaccheus... after coming into contact with Jesus, gave half of what he owned to the poor, and made restitution to anyone he cheated.

If only Republicans (who claim to follow Jesus) would be like this.

Cyclo
Instead of denial and defense take a good look and Obama's background. You know guy who when questioned about his past associations defense has continually been that's not the man I knew.