Obama Pummelled in Debate?

Main thing I'm saying is that Hillary attacking Obama and Obama parrying her blows doesn't help EITHER of them. Only helps McCain.

FreeDuck wrote:

BPB how was McCain doing against Obama and Clinton before he was the presumptive nominee? The head to heads right now don't mean much.

I was re-reading the first pages of nimh's polling thread earlier tonight. McCain was doing quite well against either Obama or Clinton when he was at 10% in the Republican campaign ( ~ December 2007)

The concern here is McCain, and how he's holding up against either of the current Democratic options (Edwards was the only one - in the early days - who seemed to have a solid chance against McCain).

....you racist POS.

sozobe wrote:

Main thing I'm saying is that Hillary attacking Obama and Obama parrying her blows doesn't help EITHER of them. Only helps McCain.

Interesting that you don't seem to see it as the Democratic candidates attacking each other. My read of the news would suggest they've both got a decent ability to attack - their techniques are different, but they're both in there flinging stuff around.

Neither of them deserves a pass in this category.

Bill Ayers' brother, Rick Ayers, is lashing out at Hillary Clinton, accusing her of "McCarthyism" for making an issue of rival Barack Obama's links to Chicago professor Bill Ayers during this week's Democratic presidential debate.

"The fact that she would drag up this pathetic red herring about Obama's alleged ties to so-called terrorist Bill Ayers (my brother!) brings her right down to the level of Fox News and the National Enquirer," blogged Rick Ayers, a California high school teacher and author.

"This is the most base version of McCarthyism," he wrote. "Obama should have taken a page from Joseph Welch when he confronted the red-baiting senator during the Army-McCarthy hearings. He should have said, 'Senator Clinton, are you really going to go there? Do you have no shame?'"

Clinton raised the relationship as a potential general election sore spot for Obama should he defeat her.

But for the good of the party. Most of the Obamites have been insisting Hill drop out for the good of the party. If there so interested in the party why not have him drop out for the good of the party.

Which is why the Obamites have been insisting Hill drop out so thier boy gets in. Right.

[O]ver the past two months, the actions and words of Hillary Clinton have gone from being merely disappointing to downright disgusting. I guess the debate last week was the final straw. I've watched Senator Clinton and her husband play this game of appealing to the worst side of white people, but last Wednesday, when she hurled the name "Farrakhan" out of nowhere, well that's when the silly season came to an early end for me. She said the "F" word to scare white people, pure and simple. Of course, Obama has no connection to Farrakhan. But, according to Senator Clinton, Obama's pastor does -- AND the "church bulletin" once included a Los Angeles Times op-ed from some guy with Hamas! No, not the church bulletin!

This sleazy attempt to smear Obama was brilliantly explained the following night by Stephen Colbert. He pointed out that if Obama is supported by Ted Kennedy, who is Catholic, and the Catholic Church is led by a Pope who was in the Hitler Youth, that can mean only one thing: OBAMA LOVES HITLER!

Yes, Senator Clinton, that's how you sounded. Like you were nuts. Like you were a bigot stoking the fires of stupidity. How sad that I would ever have to write those words about you. You have devoted your life to good causes and good deeds. And now to throw it all away for an office you can't win unless you smear the black man so much that the superdelegates cry "Uncle (Tom)" and give it all to you.

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Finally, I want to say a word about the basic decency I have seen in Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton continues to throw the Rev. Wright up in his face as part of her mission to keep stoking the fears of White America. Every time she does this I shout at the TV, "Say it, Obama! Say that when she and her husband were having marital difficulties regarding Monica Lewinsky, who did she and Bill bring to the White House for 'spiritual counseling?' THE REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT!"

But no, Obama won't throw that at her. It wouldn't be right. It wouldn't be decent. She's been through enough hurt. And so he remains silent and takes the mud she throws in his face.

That's why the crowds who come to see him are so large. That's why he'll take us down a more decent path. That's why I would vote for him if Michigan were allowed to have an election.

Their boy????????????????????????//

Their boy has the nomination locked up, you racist POS.

Roxxxanne wrote:

Their boy????????????????????????//

Their boy has the nomination locked up, you racist POS.

For starters, you don't really know whether he has the nomination "locked up" or not.

In the second, you ask for (and usually get) a good deal of tolerance and forebearance from others here. That is as it should be. However, it is disappointing to see how poorly you return the favor.

Posts like yours are better left unsent.

If she can convince a big group of superdelegates that she's the better choice, she could still get the nomination.

Not saying it's likely, but not impossible yet either.

That's just an example. There are many, many things that Obama could be using against Hillary that he isn't. He just won't go there.

And i think it's in keeping with the kind of campaign Sen. Obama has been running in Pennsylvania these last few days. They have turned very, very negative. So negative in fact that the press is reporting today that the Obama campaign is doing everything it can to spend as much money as it can to spread as much negative information as it can about Sen. Clinton here in the closing days of Pennsylvania."