Obama Pummelled in Debate?

here's a perspective....most here won't like it but it's interesting...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/13256

On Jan. 20, 2009, the Bushes will be leaving 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue ?- a compelling reason for them to have picked the Western White House over the real thing, said Doug Wead, a former Bush family adviser and the author of "All the Presidents' Children: Triumph and Tragedy in the Lives of America's First Families" (Atria, 2003).

"We can look at it and say, ?'Gee, they practically own the place, they've been there so long,' " Mr. Wead said. "But they've had that bitter feeling of looking in the gates from the outside, and why should the Obamas be walking around the place where they were married? Why not be able to go back to that ranch and hold hands and walk in the moonlight and have it forever?"

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

There is mass love of Obama regardless and you know it. No one's picking a fight... I'm just stating a fact. And there is no more mass hating of obama from the clinton camp than vice versa... obama is just passive aggressive about it. I know I overuse that term when speaking of him and his tactics but to my mind there's no better description. I don't hate the guy... I just don't think he's the guy for the job right now.

I'm not saying there isn't mass love of Obama, no. I'm refuting it in the context that you used it, that even when there's this mass love he can't get more than a small lead over McCain. My point was sure there's mass love, but there's mass HATE too. And that hate -- or dislike, or disdain, or concern, or however you want to put it -- is emanating from the Democratic side and grabbing headlines on a daily basis.

Point being -- now is when Obama could be expected to do WORST in head-to-head matchups with McCain. If he's doing OK now, he's gonna do much better after becoming the nominee.

I think that as long as Democrats continue to make choices based on what the Republicans do they are conceding power to the Republicans and won't win another election.

I couldn't agree less. And one or two point difference is not doing okay.... it's a statistical tie. How can you refute what you see with your own eyes ? No one's using a nasty context here. I'm stating a fact. Obama has a love affair going with a HUGE amount of the American public and yet can't pull away from a bush clone. that's not meaness or snarkiness or attacks... it's a fact.

Flip the coin. All the people who support Hillary and yes, there are many.... and SHE can't pull ahead of him either.

useless question... how was bush doing against gore before he moved into the White House?

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

useless question... how was bush doing against gore before he moved into the White House?

No, it's not a useless question. There is a fundamental mismatch right now in that the Republicans have chosen their candidate and Democrats have not. Obama is not campaigning for president yet because he's still trying to be the nominee. Nobody is even paying attention to McCain right now.

This tells us stuff -- even if it's not Republican Level Horribleness (though as Robert Reich said when he endorsed Hillary, it's not far off), it tells us stuff.

I've got an idea. Why don't Obama drop out of the race so Hillary can concentrate on Mc Cain. Oh , I forgot, he has wanted to be president for most of his life and isn't about to quit for the good of the party.

BPB how was McCain doing against Obama and Clinton before he was the presumptive nominee? The head to heads right now don't mean much.