ossobuco wrote:Nobody seems to get he was putting out a subject for debate. We don't really know Primitivo. I can make assumptions, and have in the past, but my assumptionsmay be incorrect.
On how many people have extramarital sex during the life of their marriage, I'll say that I figure it's a pretty good number in populations where marriage is a ritualized event, but also zillions of people don't. Eh. I was more interested in the rather blanket statement of the originating post.
Primitivo was not talking about statistics. He was saying women were vulgar prostitutes. Here's exactly what he said:
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Women are not actually attracted to men. There is a vague idea of what a man is physically, and some are better than others aesthetically speaking, but the purely physical appearance of a man is almost inconsequential unless he is horribly ugly or outrageously attractive.
Women are attracted to status, money, how much a man smiles and laughs, how many friends and resources a man has, how full a man's life is--how many "cool," "exciting" and prestigious things he is doing or connected to.
They are interested in how other people view him--how many people want to be around him, how other people interact with him and whether their interactions convey that he is special and amazing. They want him to be extremely outgoing and aggressive, they want him to demonstrate his status over other people by dominating them in various non-violent ways.
A woman's attraction to a man is a function of her jealousy at the thought of another woman having that man. She doesn't care who he actually is or EXACTLY what he looks like physically, she only cares about the VALUE of the life he has constructed around himself.
A woman basically is a greedy materialistic prostitute. Although that sounds vulgar, it's true. She trades her physical self to buy into the success a man has created for himself.
Discuss.
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Hawkeye admonished him, but then added that "You want to pick a woman who wants you, one who f*cks your brains out willingly and joyfully because she wants you." As if this is the only criteria for your choice of woman.
It then digressed into the statistics of infidelity, with Hawkeye claiming (from a website he visited) that the majority of married people are involved in extra-marital affairs.
My issue with this whole thing is the demeaning words and tone issuing out of Primitivo and Hawkeye, no matter how the latter tries to defend himself. Telling a cynical young pup to pick a woman on that basis is reprehensible. It says a lot about Hawkeye. And why he believes men have to go outside of marriage for (good) sex.
