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Obama Exposed As Black

 
 
nimh
 
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Wed 9 Apr, 2008 03:29 pm
okie wrote:
These friends included "Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk rock performance poets"

Danger!, Danger!, Will Robinson!
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Setanta
 
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Wed 9 Apr, 2008 03:31 pm
Will Robinson is a marxist, feminist punk rock performance poet ? ! ? ! ?

Who knew?
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okie
 
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Wed 9 Apr, 2008 03:32 pm
okie wrote:
snood wrote:

Okie - sit down, I have to tell you something...

THE LAUNCH THREAD WAS MEANT TO BE IRONIC . Since Obama is obviously someone who identifies and is recognizable to any casual observer as an African american, to say it was "discovered", or found after "investigation" is just playing, see?

Also (and this is a little more subtle, so put on your thinking cap), it is very obvious that his blackness in itself is a factor that is included in a lot of people's reasoning about Obama - whether they admit it or not. So the thread is also meant as a little needle in the sides of those people who obviously see his race, but do a lot of acrobatic denying that they notice.


Okay, I think I understood your thread title was meant to be ironic, when you started it, but my point is that the irony may have more meaning than you are giving it credit. Shelby Steele, and Thomas Sowell are bringing up good points here, and indeed blackness means alot more than color of skin to racists, including people like Jeremiah Wright, and it is being suggested here that Obama is somehow still trying to find his identity in more ways than color of skin.

Speaking for myself, I think you are much more conscious of your race having influence than many people actually are. I am enthusiastic about voting for any person, regardless of race, if they share the same conservative values and leadership skills that I am looking for in a president, and I don't think I am much different than most people I know.

So, snood you sit down, I am telling you the problem with Obama is not his race, it is his politics, plain and simple. I would no more vote for Gore or Kerry either, you should know that, it isn't race. I have said more than once that I think Michael Steele shows much promise, I would support Condi Rice. I like Powell, although his politics are not quite as conservative as I would prefer, he could get my vote far sooner than Al Gore, Kerry, Clinton, or a whole host of other liberal Democrats. But when people like myself learn about the racism connected to close friends like Wright, it makes me run all the faster the other way, I want no part of that mindset. Such threatens to do great damage to any progress that has so far been accomplished, and that is what folks like Thomas Sowell are trying to tell all of us.
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Setanta
 
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Wed 9 Apr, 2008 03:33 pm
Why is Okie quoting himself?
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okie
 
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Wed 9 Apr, 2008 03:35 pm
I went to hit edit, but by mistake must have hit quote, to change an "is" to an "are." You must have been fast to see that and get your post before I could click submit!
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okie
 
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Wed 9 Apr, 2008 03:36 pm
Here is the correct post again.
snood wrote:

Okie - sit down, I have to tell you something...

THE LAUNCH THREAD WAS MEANT TO BE IRONIC . Since Obama is obviously someone who identifies and is recognizable to any casual observer as an African american, to say it was "discovered", or found after "investigation" is just playing, see?

Also (and this is a little more subtle, so put on your thinking cap), it is very obvious that his blackness in itself is a factor that is included in a lot of people's reasoning about Obama - whether they admit it or not. So the thread is also meant as a little needle in the sides of those people who obviously see his race, but do a lot of acrobatic denying that they notice.


Okay, I think I understood your thread title was meant to be ironic, when you started it, but my point is that the irony may have more meaning than you are giving it credit. Shelby Steele, and Thomas Sowell are bringing up good points here, and indeed blackness means alot more than color of skin to racists, including people like Jeremiah Wright, and it is being suggested here that Obama is somehow still trying to find his identity in more ways than color of skin.

Speaking for myself, I think you are much more conscious of your race having influence than many people actually are. I am enthusiastic about voting for any person, regardless of race, if they share the same conservative values and leadership skills that I am looking for in a president, and I don't think I am much different than most people I know.

So, snood you sit down, I am telling you the problem with Obama is not his race, it is his politics, plain and simple. I would no more vote for Gore or Kerry either, you should know that, it isn't race. I have said more than once that I think Michael Steele shows much promise, I would support Condi Rice. I like Powell, although his politics are not quite as conservative as I would prefer, he could get my vote far sooner than Al Gore, Kerry, Clinton, or a whole host of other liberal Democrats. But when people like myself learn about the racism connected to close friends like Wright, it makes me run all the faster the other way, I want no part of that mindset. Such threatens to do great damage to any progress that has so far been accomplished, and that is what folks like Thomas Sowell are trying to tell all of us.[/quote]
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Setanta
 
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Wed 9 Apr, 2008 03:38 pm
There were two posts between your attempt to edit and the appearance of your mistaken post. If i have timed this correctly, you won't have time to fix your last post, either.
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dyslexia
 
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Wed 9 Apr, 2008 03:41 pm
Setanta wrote:
There were two posts between your attempt to edit and the appearance of your mistaken post. If i have timed this correctly, you won't have time to fix your last post, either.
it's really sad when you can't go back and edit when you post really stupid **** to begin with.
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Setanta
 
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Wed 9 Apr, 2008 03:42 pm
I've never understood why they took the endless edit function away from us . . .
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blatham
 
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Wed 9 Apr, 2008 05:43 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger,_Will_Robinson\

Wasn't even aware of this idiom.

And I just want to add, damn structural feminism! And damn post-structural feminism too! And then there's pre-structural feminism and double damn it, for sure.
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snood
 
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Wed 9 Apr, 2008 05:49 pm
maporsche wrote:
snood wrote:
it is very obvious that his blackness in itself is a factor that is included in a lot of people's reasoning about Obama - whether they admit it or not.


Is it REALLY very obvious Snood?

Basically you're saying that "a lot" of people are racist, whether or not they admit it, right?


If I had meant "a lot of people are racist", I would have said precisely that. I said "his blackness in itself is a factor that is included in a lot of people's reasoning about Obama - whether they admit it or not". I happen to have fairly good useage of the language, and I pretty much say what I mean.
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mysteryman
 
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Fri 11 Apr, 2008 08:11 am
Quick wit for Obama, or real slow news day for CNN?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/10/obama-im-not-getting-fresh-or-anything/

Quote:
(CNN) - Barack Obama appeared to have a bit of an awkward moment on the campaign trail in South Bend, Indiana.

From the pool report:

"[Obama] posed for report pictures with the staff when he apparently felt his phone start to vibrate in his pocket on his right thigh - against which one woman was closely pressed.

"Now that's my phone buzzing there," he said, drawing a laugh. "I don't want you to think I'm getting fresh or anything."



Personally, I think it was quick wit on Obama's part.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 11 Apr, 2008 11:18 pm
Setanta wrote:
There were two posts between your attempt to edit and the appearance of your mistaken post. If i have timed this correctly, you won't have time to fix your last post, either.


This and the two posts that immediately follow (dyslexia and, again, Setanta) are in vying for the most inconsequential, least meaningful, and most smug posts on A2K in 2008.

I know it's early in the year, but I'm betting these three will not be beat ---unless of course Dys and Setanta keep posting to A2K.

Anticipated replies from Pooch and Dys:

"No, you've already won the prize!"

"Wikipedia tells us that historically, you are the one who is inconsequential and meaningless."

"We know you hate Stetsons and their wearers!"

"We hate you, we really do!"
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snood
 
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Sat 12 Apr, 2008 05:53 am
Finn:

Quote:
This and the two posts that immediately follow (dyslexia and, again, Setanta) are in vying for the most inconsequential, least meaningful, and most smug posts on A2K in 2008.

I know it's early in the year, but I'm betting these three will not be beat ---unless of course Dys and Setanta keep posting to A2K.


You really, really don't give yourself enough credit, old buddy.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Sat 12 Apr, 2008 09:36 am
maporsche wrote:
snood wrote:
it is very obvious that his blackness in itself is a factor that is included in a lot of people's reasoning about Obama - whether they admit it or not.


Is it REALLY very obvious Snood?

Basically you're saying that "a lot" of people are racist, whether or not they admit it, right?
Rolling Eyes Even if that was precisely what Snood had written; what would be your objection to it?

(It is very obvious, or REALLY very obvious, if you prefer drawing attention to stupid statements by shouting. It is so obvious, in fact, that it is beyond rational dispute.)
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 21 Apr, 2008 09:06 pm
snood wrote:
Finn:

Quote:
This and the two posts that immediately follow (dyslexia and, again, Setanta) are in vying for the most inconsequential, least meaningful, and most smug posts on A2K in 2008.

I know it's early in the year, but I'm betting these three will not be beat ---unless of course Dys and Setanta keep posting to A2K.


You really, really don't give yourself enough credit, old buddy.


(Catching up)

How many times are you going to use this version of "I know you are but what am I?"

Smile
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JTT
 
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Mon 21 Apr, 2008 09:17 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

(Catching up)

How many times are you going to use this version of "I know you are but what am I?"

Smile


Good to see that you're still alive and kickin', Finn.
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nimh
 
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Fri 25 Apr, 2008 11:57 pm
Last week, in Pennsylvania...

Quote:
Campaigns hit a peak in Pennsylvania valley

Kansas City Star
Sat, Apr. 19, 2008

...
Quote:


This week, in Indiana

Quote:
Star-WTHR poll: In Indiana, it's Obama -- barely

Indianapolis Star
April 24, 2008

...
Quote:
Sharon Jacobs, a 58-year-old retired foundry worker from Auburn, is supporting Clinton.

"To be honest, it's because I liked Bill Clinton as president. I figure two heads are better than one," she said.

But she said she's also worried that "if Obama gets in there, the blacks will kind of try to take over."

The fact that that thought entered her head "scares me," Jacobs said. She doesn't want to discriminate, she said, but added: "It's there."


The big media arent reporting on it... but it's out there.

And I bet that these two are just saying out loud what many other people have just trained themselves not to say openly.

Racial prejudice is still very much there. And it's going to be an obstacle for Obama. Maybe it would help if more media would pick up on its role, rather than just look at polling data showing that Obama does badly among whites without college degree, or older whites, or whites in the South and the Appalachians, only to conclude merely that it must be showing how Obama is "elitist". That it must be because he cant bowl.

Endless musings by talking heads about how come Obama fails to truly connect with the white heartland middle classes, and rarely does anyone bring up the elephant in the room. Safer to bring up bowling, or an unfortunate remark he made in the very last state voting so far - never mind that these voting patterns far predate it.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sat 26 Apr, 2008 12:11 am
JTT wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

(Catching up)

How many times are you going to use this version of "I know you are but what am I?"

Smile


Good to see that you're still alive and kickin', Finn.


That I am JTT, and happy to be able to confirm it. Cool
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snood
 
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Sat 26 Apr, 2008 12:16 am
nimh:

Quote:
Racial prejudice is still very much there. And it's going to be an obstacle for Obama. Maybe it would help if more media would pick up on its role, rather than just look at polling data showing that Obama does badly among whites without college degree, or older whites, or whites in the South and the Appalachians, only to conclude merely that it must be showing how Obama is "elitist". That it must be because he cant bowl.

Endless musings by talking heads about how come Obama fails to truly connect with the white heartland middle classes, and rarely does anyone bring up the elephant in the room. Safer to bring up bowling, or an unfortunate remark he made in the very last state voting so far - never mind that these voting patterns far predate it.


It seems to me a necessary observation that needs revisiting often in a campaign with Barack Obama as a frontrunner, but its funny...

Everytime I make just exactly that observation or one similar, some nimrod invariably accuses me of being somehow gratuitously racial.

Hard to figgur. Not really, but hard to figgur without wanting to throttle someone.
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