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The UN, US and Iraq IV

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 06:15 pm
Brand X wrote:
Who are these anti-Bush people?

By Amir Taheri

[..] To make sure that no discordant voice is heard, the organizers of the demonstrations have announced that only "authorized" t-shirts, hats and other paraphernalia will be allowed. Only four slogans are permitted: "Stop Bush," "Stop Blair," " U.S. Out of Iraq and Afghanistan," and " Bush Go Home!"

[..] The London demonstration is planned and will be supervised in the best Stalinist traditions still in force in North Korea.


Post Scriptum: does this look like a "Stalinist" demonstration with only "authorized" t-shirts and a mere four "permitted" slogans?

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2003/11/20/placards.jpg
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 06:31 pm
it does if you keep one eye closed and have predetermined what you will see.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 06:31 pm
Every protestor there was not a part of the 'Coalition', the article is about only that faction's wishes which could not be enforced I'm sure.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 06:39 pm
nimh wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
36-member Assembly to replace council[/size]

A 36-member National Assembly is to replace the current interim Governing Council before the United States officially hands power over to a transitional government, it has emerged.

The assembly will be an elected body of two representatives from each of the country’s 18 provinces.

Each province will hold elections to choose its two representatives to the Assembly which will form the government and prepare for the writing of a constitution and elections before the end of 2005.

So if I get this right the elections will already take place before June 2004?

And everybody is free to stand as a candidate?

I dont know what that means for the Dean campaign, but I think it's good news for the Iraqis!


See, I knew there was a catch ...

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By April, Iraq will have a "Transitional National Assembly," selected in provincial caucuses consisting of participants chosen by the United States. That unelected assembly will choose a provisional government, and, by July, the U.S. will give that unelected government [..] sovereignty. [..]

As Reuel Marc Gerecht recently put it in The New York Times, "The administration that waged a war for democracy now wants an exit strategy that is not at all dependent upon Iraq's democratic progress."

Perhaps it's a coincidence, but, two days before the new transition plan, General John Abizaid, the American commander for Iraq, said, "We will stay as long as we need to to ensure that ... a moderate Iraqi government emerges." Note the new language: Hosni Mubarak's government is moderate, too. (TNR)
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Kara
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 07:02 pm
c.i., I forgot. You know.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 07:16 pm
Iraqi's have a sense of humor too .....

Quote:
Baghdad Burning

... I'll meet you 'round the bend my friend, where hearts can heal and souls can mend...
Saturday, November 22, 2003

Donkeys and Guerillas...
Ok, todays blog is going to look like something straight out of The Onion.

Donkeys Could Be the Missing Link?

Baghdad, Iraq- At around a quarter past 7 this morning, residents in downtown Baghdad awoke to the sound of explosions. Many inhabitants claimed that they assumed the sounds were the result of Operation Iron Hammer- the latest military tactic designed to send a message to Iraqi insurgents.

Upon turning on their televisions, Baghdadis realized that two prominent hotels and the Ministry of Oil had recently been attacked. The two hotels assailed with missiles were the Sheraton and Palestine Hotel, both situated in a busy, commercial locale in the Iraqi capital. The hotels are home to the reporters and journalists of many major news networks, including the CNN, as well as foreign contractors. While there seem to be no casualties in either of the hotels, or the Ministry, witnesses confirmed there were injuries.

The assailants? Donkeys. Yes, donkeys were found in various locations in Baghdad, leading colorful carts with missile launchers and missiles camouflaged with hay. The donkeys, looking guilty and morose, were promptly taken into custody for questioning and were not available for a statement.

"He looks just like the purple donkey in Winnie Dab-Doob!" gasped one, young Baghdad resident, related to the reporter, in reference to one of the terrorists.

The First Real Link

Could this be the first real tie to Al-Qaeda? After months of trying to connect Iraq to terrorist activities, this latest attack could prove to be the Pentagon's 'missing link' . After all, donkeys and mules are very widely used in Afghanistan to travel through the rocky, mountainous region- their presence in Baghdad is highly suspicious. It is, as yet, unclear whether the donkeys are foreign guerillas who crossed into Iraq from one of the neighboring countries, or are actually a part of a local Al-Qaeda cell.

Baghdad residents are wondering: could these culprits be the first donkeys sent to Guantanamo?

By Riverbend, Baghdad Burning

It's true... it's all we've been talking about all day.

- posted by river @ 12:56 AM

Thank You...
A very special thanks to three people. The first is Frank Tobin who got Blogger to upgrade my blog so that the advertisements are gone and I can do a lot of things I couldn't do before. The second person is Jeff Reed who has registered riverbendblog.com - Riverbend is a dot com now! The third person is Diana over at Letter from Gotham for… well, she knows why!

BTW, I've updated Is Something Burning...

- posted by river @ 12:50 AM
SOURCE ...... note the change
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 07:24 pm
http://www.allhatnocattle.net/Pict0029.jpg
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 07:36 pm
For those that are interested:
Third Infantry Division (Mechanized) After Action Report
Operation IRAQI FREEDOM


Report is in .pdf format

281 indexed pages
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 08:04 pm
Gels, Why don't you be a scholar and sort of summarize those 281 pages for us into a couple of average-sized paragraphs? Wink Will be indebted to you for the rest of this year.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 08:29 pm
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 08:36 pm
thats the summary of 281 pages?! wow ...

<winks>
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 08:36 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Gels, Why don't you be a scholar and sort of summarize those 281 pages for us into a couple of average-sized paragraphs? Wink Will be indebted to you for the rest of this year.


Here yago .... you can start by moving my barbell set up to the attic.... let me get you the ladder Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil



Quote:
Asia Times Online November 20, 2003
The truth behind the US's 'Iron Fist'

In-Depth Coverage

By David Isenberg

Remember the Third Infantry Division? The "Iron Fist" of the United States Army's 18th Airborne Corps was one of the primary combat units during Operation Iraqi Freedom. It saw action from the first crossing of the Iraqi border to the final days of fighting in Baghdad, and was hailed as the new model for the vision of a transformed military; one that could fight flexibly and lethally over long distances. But there was both more and less to its story, as it turns out.

Recently, the division's official after-action report was obtained by the Alexandria, Virginia-based group GlobalSecurity.org and posted on its website. The 281-page report is notable for its dispassionate warts and a record of how it performed during the war. While it does not stint on praising itself for things that went well, it does not avoid discussing the things that went badly and the need for improvements.

The report shows that despite the proliferation of hi-tech weaponry and military equipment in US military units, the basics are still as important as ever; namely training. It notes, "The requirement for tough realistic training has not changed in the past 227 years. The division lived under the 'train as you fight' motto for the 12 months preceding the war."

And, in light of all the current publicity given to former US army prisoner of war Jessica Lynch, it is interesting to note that it was the ambitious nature of Operation Iraqi Freedom itself that exposed her unit to attack. In the words of the report, "The continuous pace and extended distance of OIF [Operation Iraqi Freedom] taxed the division's logistics systems to the maximum extent. In anticipation of the ambitious maneuver and expected austerity of the theater logistics environment, the division commander accepted risk in some classes of supply in order to accommodate the burden of independence and ensure the flexibility required to exploit success."

Although many commentators claimed that the Iraqis did not fight, or at least not as fiercely as anticipated, the report states that the battlefield was often more dangerous than noted at the time. The report states, "All commanders faced a multifaceted threat. Throughout the operation, units fought conventional regular army and Republican Guard forces, as well as paramilitary and terrorist threats ... The extended battlespace created a nonlinear battlefield. All units of the division were on the 'front lines'. There was no sanctuary on the battlefield. Virtually every element of the division was engaged at some point in the fight."

Especially in light of the ongoing insurgency in Iraq, details in the report concerning postwar planning, or lack thereof, are especially revealing. Although it is hardly a novel insight at this point in time, the report confirms that planning for post-major combat operations was inadequate. The report states that the division "did not have a fully developed plan for the transition to SASO [stability and support operations] and civil military operations in Baghdad prior to entering the city".

The report also supports those who criticized Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other Pentagon officials for not sending a larger force to Iraq. According to the report, "As the division transitioned to SASO, it did not have sufficient forces or effective rules of engagement to control civilian looting and rioting throughout the city [of Baghdad]. Looting by the local civilians was a significant obstacle to the reestablishment of order in such a heavily populated area."

The division also came up short in terms of particular specialties that were critical to being able to do reconstruction quickly and effectively. That is something that the US is not only obligated to do as an occupying power, but would have done much to gain the confidence and cooperation of the Iraqi people. For example, it suffered an acute shortage of explosive ordinance detachment personnel to clear enemy weapons caches and unexploded ordnances, of which there are hundreds of thousands of tons.

Also, in terms of dealing with damage to infrastructure, combat engineers were simply out of their league. While it is true that such tasks are not their primary, or even secondary, mission, there was much that they did do in terms of rebuilding. But they could have done much more if adequate prewar planning had taken place. The report notes, "If the final objective of an operation includes existing buildings and facilities, there needs to be a clear plan for the occupation of the facilities as well as a plan for the re-establishment of the basic infrastructure needs."

Not surprisingly, given that this is the report of an army unit, it found that "shock and awe" was not something that was the exclusive realm of air power. It found, contrary to the predictions of some, that armor units could operate effectively in urban areas. "The lethality of a mechanized force enables the attacking force to not only destroy the enemy, but also create a shock effect that destroys his will to fight."

However, that is not say it could do so without costs. As human rights groups have documented, there was much unintentional targeting of civilians. The report notes that both the Army Tactical Missile System and Multiple Launch Rocket System were used to engage artillery and surface-to-surface missiles in Iraqi cities, but caused heavy collateral damage.

Perhaps the most striking section of the report, considering the Bush administration's generally hostile relationship with the media, was the effort they put into developing a trusting relationship with the embedded media. The division devoted great efforts to "team building" between the various units in the division and the media who were assigned to them. Not only did it conduct extensive training exercises prior to deployment, but two days before the start of the war it provided the media a broad overview of the plan, including tentative timelines. The "media were allowed unprecedented access to plans. We know of no media that violated the trust during the entire operation".

© Copyright 2003, Asia Times Online Co, Ltd.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 08:53 pm
I think "shock and awe" kind of reveresed itself, and our military are the victims.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 09:17 pm
Fear and Loathing
The USA Govt. fears actual Iraq self government and loath the real Irai people that haven't been schooled by Western education.

The new direction is yet another sham.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 22 Nov, 2003 02:25 am
"The Arab Street"Stoking the Fires
Time for a Change in Policy!
US Admits War Illegal
US Kills Hungarian Civillian
Re-Emergent Colonialism
US Destroying Homes in Retribution


This is what the "Arab in the Street" sees about the Iraqi occupation. Anyone else think that we have little chance of "winning hearts and minds?"
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 22 Nov, 2003 06:07 am
Went shopping with the wife yesterday and as usual ended up sitting in the car waiting for my meds to kick in ... engaged in 'people watching'. My mind flitted from computer stuff to my brand new nephew (I'm a 'Godfather'!) to what kind of world his consciouness will eventually come to focus on. I looked around the parking lot and thought about what the scene would've been like back when I was a kid. First off I wouldn't be sitting in a parking lot as I grew up before half the earth was covered with asphalt. My family did their shopping on main street where each shop had a distinctive aroma, my favorite was 'Worley's men's shop' with it's mixture of shoe leather , 4711 cologne, and inscense ... I digress ... ttthhhhhppp ... from the sixties back to the 2 triple oughts ....
I resumed my people watching as a group of university students walked by laughing and talking in a language that was not english. As they walked into the crowded Walmart my mind filled with the image of flying glass, smoke and fire with bodies flying into the parking lot ... then to an image of my days old Godson Josh. I said out loud 'I'm sorry Josh' ... the words sounded so hollow and empty ......
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Kara
 
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Reply Sat 22 Nov, 2003 07:01 am
D, real men don't let their wives shop at Walmart.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 22 Nov, 2003 07:18 am
Kara wrote:
D, real men don't let their wives shop at Walmart.


It's that or drive to the big city to buy the same thing at the farm and fleet .. Very Happy
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 22 Nov, 2003 07:19 am
Brand X wrote:
Every protestor there was not a part of the 'Coalition', the article is about only that faction's wishes which could not be enforced I'm sure.


And of course The National Review will update its readers on that, reporting on how the demonstration in the end actually featured a very pluralistic crowd and message - you know, so as to correct the earlier impression of sheer neo-Bolshevik indoctrination its reporting might have left - right? For all those readers who won't go browse the Guardian website?
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 22 Nov, 2003 07:22 am
Oh, that was cold, Kara Laughing
I have really enjoyed the bipartisan information-sharing in the past three or so pages re: Steve's question. Kewl.
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