The UN, US and Iraq IV

So why your childish insistence on "know[ing] the official estimate is 70-110K"? Is it just cause you dont want to be seen backing down, even on something totally trivial? I mean, really - would it actually impact the point you were making in any way at all to just go - 'oh, yeh, I missed that - it was 110k in the end, then, was it? I must have gone by the old figures still' ... ? What else could it be - resentment? contempt? - that makes you review figures from left to right that each say something between 100,000 and 200,000, and still go - oh yeh, those 70-110K people ... Is it just that you are too tempted by the chance to gratuitously annoy those lefties here, even if it means you have to go against your own sources, even when its just on some tiny, trivial thing?

<shakes head> Its not just bias - it's petty malevalence, is my take. Of course we cant always be there to juxtapose the actual facts, or the full text, etc, with your latest spin, so I'm sure it'll happen many times again. The topic? Totally unimportant. The message? Clear: utter disrespect.

Please give an example of blatant anti semitism from a recognised left wing or liberal source. [or to save posting another diatribe as above, just point to the source]

Orianna Falaci observes:
... I find it shameful that virtually the entire Left, that Left which 20 years ago permitted a trade-union procession to place a coffin (a Mafia-like warning) in front of the synagogue in Rome, has forgotten the contribution of the Jews to the anti-fascist struggle: of Carlo and Nello Rosselli, for example; of Leone Ginzburg, Umberto Terracini, Leo Valiani, Emilio Serani; of women such as my friend Anna Maria Enriques Agnoletti, shot in Florence on June 12, 1944; of 74 of the 335 victims of Fosse Ardeatine; of the infinite other deaths under torture or in combat or in front of the firing squads; the friends, the teachers of my childhood and of my early youth. I find it shameful that, in part because of the fault of the Left-no, especially because of the fault of the Left (think of the Left that begins its congresses applauding the PLO representative in Italy, who represents here the Palestinians who seek Israel's destruction)-the Jews in Italian cities once again are frightened. And in French and Dutch and Danish and German cities, it is the same. I find it shameful that when the scoundrels dressed as kamikazes march, (Jews) shudder as they trembled in Berlin during Kristallnacht, that is, the night on which Hitler began the hunt of the Jews ...

A Canadian viewpoint: Antisemitism of the Left

Ultra-left group lines up with Holocaust denier

A cite from a YahooGroups article:
From: Sarah Blum <sblum@m...>

Here is an example of left wing Antisemitism from a list I am on. This is
very typical today. There is no civility and the anonymity of the net
seems to encourage this explosion of hate - which especially targets
the Jews and Israel. This is just raw hate.

There is a more intense hatred for Jews than prejudice against Blacks.
Many Blacks are also antisemitic. But the left has become a hate bucket
for all the malcontents and miscreants.

I think someone here was in denial about left wing antisemitism. I can
post more examples. The question should be not if, but why so many
hatemongers are attracted to the left in the first place?

Sarah

From: Joe <fasarius@y...>
Subject: Re: [CCCC-USA] [#] Rachel Corrie and USS Liberty plus other
slanders

The attack on the Liberty has been discredited? Because a jew denies truth
does not make it less true. Jews are the quintesential liars and thieves
of the human race and the most violent and vicious, as they feel all
nonjews are less than they are and to be used as chattel. The Liberty was
repeatedly attacked. Its radio messages were ignored or if one believes
the jews they did not hear the messages, RIGHT, the jews did not know
where the ship came from, RIGHT. The pilots did not know who they were
attacking, RIGHT. The jew pilots are capable and willing to kill children
around their civilian targets with the belief they are GODS warriors. The
jews do not want the simple truth of the death of Jesus to be plastered on
the movie screen. The jews FEAR truth, and always have. Anyone with
experience with jews knows they are evil incarnate.

I didn't understand Suzette's last post. Did anyone?

...seriously, especially the Jewish kapos on this thread, who will back you up and confirm your every feeling and wildest wet dream about the Jews and about Israel...

A really good news link site.

Could we all agree that jumping to conclusions and "political correctness" often work together to narrow discussion?

A really good news link site.

http://www.newsmax.com/links.shtml

Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government.

I recognize too that Antizionism is not free of Antisemitism.