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The UN, US and Iraq IV

 
 
hamburger
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 06:08 pm
... and a few more choice comments on the same subject: (hbg) ... www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2003%20News%20archives/November/6%20n/Talabani%20to%20Mend%20Fences%20With%20Turkey,%20Iran,%20Syria.htm
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Kara
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 08:40 pm
Did anyone see this in Sunday's NYTimes magazine?

Here is a paragraph from the article and a link (if it works)

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Bush had come into office strenuously opposing ''nation building,'' and in the early months of his presidency the neoconservatives' interventionist view was by no means dominant. But the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, gave the movement new energy. Within days of the attacks, Wolfowitz was spearheading efforts to put on the table a plan to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

Initially these efforts seemed to go nowhere. There was the war in Afghanistan to fight first, and many senior officers within the military feared that a war in Iraq would stretch American military capabilities beyond their limit at a time when the threat of war loomed on the Korean Peninsula. But the war in Afghanistan was a quick success, and in early 2002 a vigorous lobbying effort by the neoconservatives, both in public and inside the White House, succeeded in moving the idea of Hussein's overthrow to the center of the administration's foreign policy agenda.

Planning began not only for the war itself but also for its aftermath, and various government departments and agencies initiated projects and study groups to consider the questions of postwar Iraq. As Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld would put it later, planning ''began well before there was a decision to go to war. It was extensive.''

Chief among these agencies was the so-called Office of Special Plans, set up after Sept. 11, 2001, reporting to Douglas Feith in the Pentagon. It was given such a vague name, by Feith's own admission, because the administration did not want to have it widely known that there was a special unit in the Pentagon doing its own assessments of intelligence on Iraq. ''We didn't think it was wise to create a brand-new office and label it an office of Iraq policy,'' Feith told the BBC in July.


Blueprint for a Mess
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Kara
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 08:56 pm
Ge, Linda Tripp morphing into Cheney Laughing
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 09:36 pm
Interesting ......

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Special Alert - No. 12 November 4, 2003 No.12

Al-Qa'ida Website Issues Ramadan Warning of Imminent Attacks: Calls on Muslims in DC, NY, and LA to Leave Those Cities

A communiqué issued by the previously unknown "Islamic Bayan Movement" warns Muslims that they should leave Washington DC, New York, and Los Angeles.

The warning initially appeared on the website of Global Islamic Media, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/globalislamicmedia/message/173. The same website has, in recent months, published many communiqués by Jihad groups around the world, as well as Islamic ideological material. The communiqué has since appeared on the Al-Qa'ida affiliated website Al-Faroq. [1]

The communiqué was signed on the fifth of Ramadan, but was published on November 3, 2003, under the title "A Warning to the Muslims in America."

It opened with a Koranic verse: "All that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth glorifies Allah. He is the Mighty, the Wise. It is He who turned out the disbelievers from among the People of the Book from their homes at the time of the first banishment. You did not think that they would go forth and they thought that their fortresses would protect them against Allah. But Allah came upon them whence they did not expect and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their homes with their own hands and the hands of the believers. So take warning, O ye who posses understanding."

The following are excerpts from the communiqué: "The sufferings of your Muslim brothers and of the Mujahideen around the world is no secret to you, our brothers. [They suffer] oppression, tyranny, imprisonment, murder, and banishment by the masters of oppressions and lies in the world, the American rulers, who think [of] themselves as good-doers. Allah is the witness that they write the end of America by their own hands…

"Afghanistan and Iraq are not far away. Their sons there [i.e. U.S. soldiers] are frustrated and defeated and they ask 'why are we here?' Yes, they are the only ones who know the bitter truth. How would they not when they see every day dozens of casualties from among their friends, the soldiers who die and nobody, even not their stupid rulers, is sorry for them. Then they hear the lies and distortion their rulers [tell] their people and the peoples of the world regarding the number of their dead and heavy losses…

"Our Muslim brothers in America, we ask you to immediately leave the following cities: Washington, DC, New York, and Los Angeles. We are serious in our warning. The next few days will prove to you the truth of this warning. To the oppressive rulers of America we say: expect our terms following the first strike of Allah's believing soldiers"

The communiqué ends with another Koranic verse: "Fight them: Allah will punish them at your hands, and will humiliate them, and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers."[Koran, Chapter 9, Verse 14]

[Signed] The Islamic Bayan Movement 5th of Ramadan, 1424

The Al-Qa'ida affiliated website also posted a photograph of a Chinook helicopter along with the following caption: "We shall bring down and destroy the values of the Hubal [2] of this generation"

Logo from Al-Faroq

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[1] http://www.pcpages.com/faroq/

[2] Hubal was an ancient Meccan idol from the pre-Islamic era, and is used by Islamists to symbolize the U.S.



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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 10:44 pm
He had it coming ......

http://www.coldbacon.com/pics/kliban/bksitonface.jpg
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 08:47 am
Woke up to the news that six more kids were lost in Iraq in another helicopter crash and, for some reason, this proved to be a personal boiling over point. Can someone provide statistics which show the ranks of who's getting killed? Construct a graphic showing who's benefitting, who's paying the price? Aren't we engaged in a "war" in which all of the command -- CinC through DOD on "down" -- are prospering, vocal, bullet-proof, politically sacrosanct while others die to protect their lies?
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 08:56 am
Even Jessica Lynch thinks these assholes are despicable...so when are the rest of you going to wake up
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Nov. 7, 2003 | PALESTINE, W.Va. (AP) -- Former prisoner of war Jessica Lynch said the U.S. military was wrong to manipulate the story of her dramatic rescue and should not have filmed it in the first place.

The 20-year-old private told ABC's Diane Sawyer in a "Primetime" interview to air Tuesday that she was bothered by the military's portrayal of her ordeal.

"They used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff," she said in an excerpt from the interview, posted Friday on the network's Web site.

"It hurt in a way that people would make up stories that they had no truth about," she said.
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/11/07/lynch_portrayal/index.html
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 08:59 am
Well, thank god, Blatham. I was worried about her silence.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 09:09 am
Quote:
TODAY'S MIS-LEAD: Government To Call More Troops One Week After Bush Says They're Not Needed

President Bush indicated just last week that additional U.S. troops would
not be needed in Iraq, saying, "General Abizaid makes the decision as to
whether or not he needs more troops... And he told me he does [have enough
troops]." But Thursday, the Pentagon announced plans to temporarily
increase troop levels by as many as 50,000 in Iraq before reducing total
troop size in Iraq to 105,000 by next spring.


Read the full Mis-Lead -->
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1163329&l=8146
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 09:23 am
I put this in another thread, but it fits here too, and I wanted my 1000th to be on this thread. It's the most important on A2K, IMO.
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About two weeks ago I got up in the middle of the night and wandered toward the bathroom. The lights there are on a dimmer and I set them very low, flipped up the seat and proceeded. It's at times like these that I do my best thinking. My brain, near sleep, speaks to me as if it is some older, wiser friend, and leaning on his elbow on the sinkside, it muses to me.

"I wonder" said he above the noise of falling water, "if any of them ever remember reading Br'er Rabbit and the Tarbaby."

I went back to bed, but the thought keeps coming back to me. It doesn't completely fit with reality, but parts of it do. I keep seeing Saddam and his minions saying to themselves during the the twelve years between the wars,

"When they come again, we'll get them to throw us into the briarpatch. Then, they will have to come and get us there,
and we were born and bred in the briarpatch.
Born and bred in the briarpatch!"

Joe
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Kara
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 09:26 am
Tartarin, I had almost the same reaction to this morning's news as you did. Especially coming hard upon Bush and Rumsfeld's insistence that we do not need more troops in Iraq AND that they are going to reduce our forces to 105,000 from the current 130,000.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 10:23 am
This of course is just my opinion, but I figure that as more responsibility for internal security is turned over to Iraqis themselves, Iraqi security will improve dramatically. US troop presence is being drawn down, and as more Irais become qualified to replace them, more Occupation Forces will be removed. I think too the US shift to a more flexible Special Operations approach to the matter of locating and neutralizing Senior Resistance Figures will bear fruit as well, in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. Infrastucture restoration is proceeding at a remarkable pace, both in terms of physical repairs and upgrades and the establishment of autonomous local authority.
The US grant of aid to Iraq, as opposed to loans, coupled with vigorous ongoing US lobbying of the international community for the forgiveness of Saddam-Era Iraqi debt put the lie to the ridiculous contention that "Its the oil" (except, of course, for those hypocritical nations adamant in their refusal to forgive that debt), and ongoing study of captured documents day-by-day exposes Iraq's perfidy in the matter of proscribed programs and assets. The road ahead is going to be long and perilous, as has always been promised, but the destination is in no doubt. Iraq's days as the football in a match pitting "The US and Supporters vs The Rest" are over.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 10:40 am
Well, Joe, I think your troubles may be, uh, piling up...
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Kara
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 01:39 pm
Joe, those were insightful midnight amusings.
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Kara
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 01:43 pm
Saw an amusing editorial cartoon yesterday. Three aging hippie types are sitting around the table when one, with a pleading look on his face, asks the others: "Well, what if Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush are right, and Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Jesus had it wrong?"

(Maybe you had to see it...)
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 01:44 pm
I can see it now Cool
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 01:48 pm
Kara, Good analogy, but it will be missed by the neocons, because they think 15,000+ lives is a good sacrifice for the remaining Iraqis.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 01:59 pm
Spock wrote:
The good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 02:12 pm
I like that cartoon, Kara. Resonates!
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 03:15 pm
Winning the hearts and minds of those that defend our freedom ... Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad



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NATIONAL POLITICS:

American Ex-POWs Fight Own Government to Collect Iraq Torture Settlement

BY MILES BENSON
c.2003 Newhouse News Service


WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration is quietly piling up victories in a legal battle to block payments to 17 U.S. combat veterans who were captured and tortured in the first Gulf War and won a suit against Iraq for nearly a billion dollars.

The former POWs -- whipped, beaten, burned, electrically shocked and starved by their Iraqi captors in 1991 -- say they are baffled by the administration's refusal to let them collect any of the assets of Iraq now under U.S. control, and by the Justice Department's efforts to overturn a federal court decision upholding their claims to compensation.

"I don't understand why they want to see this case go away," said Lt. Col. Dave Storr of Spokane, Wash., who today is an airline pilot and serves in the Air National Guard.

"My country can be mistaken," Storr said, "but I'll still serve it and love it. I'm proud to wear the uniform, no matter what comes."

He has proven that. Parachuting through a fireball after his Air Force plane was hit by ground fire on Feb. 2, 1991, then-Capt. Storr was captured by the Iraqis and beaten, kicked in the head and urinated on. During interrogation sessions, guards shocked him with an electrical device, beat him with clubs, broke his nose, dislocated his shoulder and burst his left eardrum. He was held 33 days.

The government that heaped praise and medals on the ex-POWs has drawn a line at extracting a financial price from Iraq for their ordeal.

White House spokesman Trent Duffy referred all questions about the dispute to the Justice Department, where officials would not comment because the matter is still in litigation.

In court filings, the government asserts sweeping presidential power to block the claims because of the "weighty foreign policy interests at stake."

It does not dispute details of the POWs' suffering.

"The United States government fully recognizes the brutal actions to which the plaintiffs here were subjected as they heroically served their country and made sacrifices during the Gulf War in 1991," the Justice Department acknowledges. "Plaintiffs' suffering at the hands of the former Iraqi government officials cannot be excused or forgotten.

"Nevertheless, the political branches of our government have decided that, now that the oppressive regime of Saddam Hussein has been removed from power, U.S. sanctions against Iraq based on its support of terrorism must be removed."

The former POWs launched their lawsuit in April 2002 under a 1996 law that allows terrorist nations, so designated by the State Department, to be sued for personal injuries to U.S. nationals, including prisoners of war. They argued that they were tortured in violation of the Geneva Conventions' ban on mistreatment of POWs.

Their position was strengthened last November when Congress passed and Bush signed into law a terrorism insurance bill allowing Americans to collect court-ordered compensatory damages from frozen assets of terrorist states.

The ex-POWs have trouble reconciling the administration's latest actions with their own fight.

Army Sgt. David Lockett of Birmingham, Ala., currently on duty in Mannheim, Germany, said he understands the government "wants to help the people of Iraq, but our case didn't have anything to do with that."

Lockett was taken prisoner when his truck convoy wandered into Iraqi army emplacements. He was shot in the abdomen, a wound his captors made the target of blows from fists and rifle butts during his captivity. He was held 33 days.

Marine Corps pilot Maj. Joe Small of Racine, Wis., was shot down by an Iraqi missile on Feb. 25, 1991, and taken to an underground bunker, whipped with a strap and subjected to frequent subsequent beatings as he was moved to Basra and then to Baghdad. Small, who has left the service, is now an airline pilot. Of his government, he said, "I guess they place a higher priority on giving pensions to garbage collectors in Iraq than they do to rights bestowed by Congress on POWs."

Air Force Capt. Harry Michael Roberts was shot down by a surface-to-air missile on Jan. 19, 1991. He ejected just south of Baghdad and was captured on landing. During a night-long interrogation, his captors beat him with fists and a club, cut his head with repeated blows from rifle butts, and shocked him with an electric prod. Subsequent battering sessions followed the same pattern, with blows to his right leg with a baton, kicks and electrical shocks to force him to make a videotape denouncing the war effort and praising Iraq.

"You're a long way from Geneva now," one interrogator whispered to him during his six-week captivity.

Roberts, now a lieutenant colonel in the Ohio Air National Guard on active duty at Wright Patterson Air Force base, said he is less interested in the money than in "holding Iraq accountable for what they did to our prisoners of war, because it's the best way to prevent that from happening again in the future." A portion of any money collected, he said, will go to a foundation that will be set up to assist the families of POWs.

The torture of Marine Lt. Col. Craig Berryman began almost immediately after his capture on Jan. 28, 1991, when the Harrier aircraft he piloted was shot down near Kuwait City. His captors punched, kicked and spat on him. He was later transported to Basra in Iraq, where his left leg was broken with blows from a club. Flesh was kicked out of the leg, exposing bone. A lit cigarette was pressed against his forehead, nose and ears, then crushed out in an open wound on his neck. Berryman finally was moved to Baghdad, where beatings continued with rubber hoses, clubs and pistol barrels. He was held captive 37 days.

Berryman said he believes that Bush, himself a former National Guardsman, must be unaware of the Justice Department's effort to extinguish the lawsuit. "But it certainly makes you wonder," he said. "I'm sure he'd do the right thing if he knew. He's really a nice guy but he's got a lot on his mind right now."

Berryman, stationed at Cherry Point, N.C., is scheduled for redeployment to the Middle East on Oct. 26.

U.S. District Judge Richard Roberts ordered Iraq on July 7 -- three months after the fall of Saddam's regime -- to pay the 17 ex-POWs and their families $653 million in compensatory damages and $306 million in punitive damages for torturing the men. Roberts ordered a temporary freeze on $653 million in Iraqi assets then held in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, as a source of funds for the settlement.

At that point the Justice Department stepped in, asking the judge to throw out the judgment against Iraq.

The government's attorneys quoted Ambassador L. Paul Bremer III, the presidential envoy to Iraq: "Restricting these funds as a result of this litigation would affect adversely the ability of the United States to achieve security and stability in the region, would compromise the safety of U.S. forces and Iraqi civilians, and would be harmful to U.S. national security interests."

On July 30, Judge Roberts ruled that Bush had the power to prevent the frozen Iraqi funds from being awarded to the ex-POWs. But Roberts refused to overturn his original finding that the men are entitled to compensation from Iraq. He said the Justice Department's motion to have the entire compensation judgment thrown out was "meritless."

Lawyers for the ex-POWs appealed the judge's decision upholding the president's power to deny access to the frozen Iraqi assets, but the administration position was affirmed. Now the Justice Department is appealing Roberts' original decision that the former POWs are entitled to compensation.

Navy Lt. Jeffrey Zaun of Jersey City, N.J., was navigator aboard an A-6 Intruder on Jan. 17, 1991, when it was downed by an Iraqi missile. He was captured, and when he refused to provide information to interrogators about his mission and the location of U.S. forces, he was repeatedly karate-chopped in the throat. Kept for weeks in a darkened cell, he was beaten and twice subjected to mock executions. He was held 46 days.

Zaun, today a financial analyst for Standard & Poors and a commander in the Naval Reserve, said he isn't surprised that the Bush administration opposes the ex-POWs' bid for compensation, given what he termed the administration's aversion to tort claims. But they should get over it, he said.

"I didn't want to deploy, either, but when they said to go I went," Zaun said. "Sometimes it's necessary to get in these people's faces and take their money. It's a great way to hurt the folks who financed bad guys."

"It does surprise me a little bit that Bush is not helping," said Jeff Fox, of Surfside Beach, S.C., who was held 15 days after his A-10 was shot down over southern Iraq on Feb. 19, 1991. "It sends a very bad message that a commander in chief would place veterans and prisoners of war second behind a foreign nation. Deep down, I think he (Bush) knows very little about it."

Fox recalled his nightmare: "The torture began six hours after I was captured." Repeatedly beaten while handcuffed and blindfolded, the Air Force lieutenant colonel was kicked and struck with a rubber mallet or baton. He was told he would be shot, and a pistol was cocked behind his head. His tormentor pulled the trigger, discharging the weapon near Fox's right ear, exploding the ear drum.

On Oct. 14, the U.S. Senate passed a non-binding "sense of Congress" amendment urging the administration to drop all resistance to the claims of the ex-POWs and help them collect the damage awards from assets of the Saddam regime still controlled by the United States. The amendment, sponsored by Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., was added to the bill providing $87 billion for U.S. military action and rebuilding in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"The pain and terror American POWs endured at the hands of the Iraqi government is unspeakable," Reid said. "We must send a message to would-be tormentors of other governments that if they torture American POWs, they will be held accountable."

Oct. 23, 2003


(Miles Benson can be contacted at [email protected])


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