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The UN, US and Iraq IV

 
 
Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 07:21 pm
That's a good one!
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 07:33 pm
Want to hear a better one?


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U.S. Settles With Linda Trip for $595,000

Tuesday November 4, 2003 2:46 PM


By SIOBHAN McDONOUGH

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Linda Tripp will get more than $595,000 from the Defense Department to settle a lawsuit over the release of confidential personal information about her to a magazine, her lawyers said.

Based on information supplied by Pentagon officials in 1998, The New Yorker reported Tripp did not admit an arrest on her security application for her job at the Defense Department. She had been arrested for grand larceny when she was a teenager.

Tripp, whose secret tapes of conversations with Monica Lewinsky helped lead to President Clinton's impeachment trial, sued the Defense Department two years ago, alleging violations of the Privacy Act. She had worked for the department as a public affairs specialist.

The 1974 Privacy Act prohibits the government from releasing unauthorized personal information about individual Americans to nonfederal organizations.

Tripp claimed administration officials retaliated for her role in triggering the impeachment proceedings. Tripp provided Independent Counsel Ken Starr with tape-recorded conversations in which Lewinsky confided an intimate relationship with the president.

``This government should never be permitted to use Privacy Act-protected information to discredit a political opponent,'' Tripp said in a statement Monday.

As part of the settlement, Tripp gets a one-time payment of $595,000, a retroactive promotion and retroactive pay at a higher salary level for 1998, 1999 and 2000.

The Justice and Defense departments declined to comment, and her lawyers did not disclose the total value of the agreement.

Stephen Kohn, one of Tripp's lawyers, declined to say whether Tripp is currently working, but said that under the settlement, she can reapply to any government branch.

Tripp lost her job at the Pentagon in January 2001 after she refused to resign like other political appointees on the last day of Clinton's term.

She earned nearly $100,000 a year when she was a public affairs specialist for the Defense Department. She held a civil service job in the White House under former President Bush before getting a political appointment and new job at the Pentagon in 1994.

U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan has yet to approve the agreement.


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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 07:34 pm
Gel

Hilarious!!! Thank you.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 07:50 pm
But she can't go out in public.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 08:19 pm
Welcome Blatham ....

Tart ..... she has that covered .... observe!

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/Leaker%20Linda%20tripp.jpg

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/Cheney%20Tripp.jpg

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/Rumsfeld%20Tripp.jpg


All part of a wacko witness protection scheme ....
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 08:26 pm
All the way through the Clinton business, I wondered whether we were being cruel to Linda Tripp because she's plumb ugly. But her ugliness isn't just physical. She's a great example of a soul shining through. A petty, grasping, pathetic woman who's got her bucks but no respect.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 08:32 pm
Tartarin wrote:
All the way through the Clinton business, I wondered whether we were being cruel to Linda Tripp because she's plumb ugly. But her ugliness isn't just physical. She's a great example of a soul shining through. A petty, grasping, pathetic woman who's got her bucks but no respect.

I have a feeling very little matters but the bucks to the far right.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 08:35 pm
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Resistance and Iraqi Independence
The Initial Stages of a Guerrilla War

By TARIQ ALI

Some weeks ago, Pentagon inmates were invited to a special in-house showing of an old movie. It was the Battle of Algiers, Gillo Pontecorvo's anti-colonial classic, initially banned in France. One assumes the purpose of the screening was purely educative. The French won that battle, but lost the war.

At least the Pentagon understands that the resistance in Iraq is following a familiar anti-colonial pattern. In the movie, they would have seen acts carried out by the Algerian maquis almost half a century ago, which could have been filmed in Fallujah or Baghdad last week. Then, as now, the occupying power described all such activities as "terrorist". Then, as now, prisoners were taken and tortured, houses that harboured them or their relatives were destroyed, and repression was multiplied. In the end, the French had to withdraw.

As American "postwar" casualties now exceed those sustained during the invasion (which cost the Iraqis at least 15,000 lives), a debate of sorts has begun in the US. Few can deny that Iraq under US occupation is in a much worse state than it was under Saddam Hussein. There is no reconstruction. There is mass unemployment. Daily life is a misery, and the occupiers and their puppets cannot provide even the basic amenities of life. The US doesn't even trust the Iraqis to clean their barracks, and so south Asian and Filipino migrants are being used. This is colonialism in the epoch of neo-liberal capitalism, and so US and "friendly" companies are given precedence. Even under the best circumstances, an occupied Iraq would become an oligarchy of crony capitalism, the new cosmopolitanism of Bechtel and Halliburton.


http://www.counterpunch.org/Bush%20in%20Babylon.jpg

The rest of the story
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 08:43 pm
One of the disgraces of the administration (my god there are a lot now) is that they will not publish the lists of the wounded, as is commonly done. In another thread there is a debate about whether Bush is a liar. I wonder why people bother to debate...
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 08:49 pm
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I wonder why people bother to debate...

I think it may be that admitting teh public was lied to means admitting that one was wrong, personally for giving support to this gang of despicable people.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 08:51 pm
Tariq Ali
I have read many of his articles and have listened to him via TV. I feel that he has a grasp of the situation. Unfortunately, I feel that by the tme the US election rolls around that due to the ADD of the bulk of the voters they will have forgotten about what has been transpiring since the Shrub Regime has taken over. If the economy is doing OK and Iraqies are only killing Iraqies I feel that the Neo-cons will most likely win the Pres. election.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 08:55 pm
Here is one I tripped (har har har) ovver.

Coalition Provisional Authority
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 09:23 pm
Sorry about the length of this post, I couldn't find a way to link to it ..... it is from a blog and I am not sure how long the url will be valid & I feel this post is important to demonstrate that all that follow Islam are not evil.
I know that everyone dosen't feel that way but enough do.

Moderator ... the link to the blog is:

bloglink

Maybe you can figure out the linkage.
thx


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Tuesday, November 04, 2003
The mindset of ME conspiracy theorists
This is a vital and important issue that I feel I should explain to anyone who seeks to understand the way many people in the ME think. Hadi sent me this article written in Arabic about Arab conspiracy theorists defending Saddam and his actions during the last three decades. I have spent a couple of hours translating it and I will try to give you the gist of the article along with a few observations of my own. It may not be a perfect translation but I think its understandable. Arabic to English isn't easy. Here goes.



-The practice of blaming 'the other' in our societies is not a recent one. It has been engraved deeply in our minds for centuries, for various reasons. A person usually denies his own mistakes in front of his peers, and attempts to blame them on 'the other'. Who is this 'other'?. Sometimes it could be embodied, sometimes it could be invisible. This is the basis of all conspiracy theories, to acquit ones self from all responsibilities for its mistakes. We all remember as young schoolboys how we used to attribute our poor grades to the 'bad teacher'.

Everytime Saddam Hussein was asked about the reasons he waged war on Iran and Kuwait, he would answer coldly: It is always 'the other' who conspires against the great achievements of Al-Thawra (the revolution).

When we condemned Bin Laden and Hussein for all their atrocities against humanity, the conspiracy theorists would rush to us and correct us that 'the US are the ones to blame. After all they were who made Bin Laden and Saddam, weren't they?'. As if Saddam was just an innocent child or a pure angel before he established contact with the US. Or as if the US was the only power in the world who provided him any support or assistance. Also these people incorrectly assume that Islamic extremism was born today, or that it was the US that caused it to exist. Some even go far to try to convince us that these terrorist acts are the direct response to American policies in the region.

Just like they are trying to convince us today that the horrendous actions against Iraqi civilians today by militants/resistance/mujahedeen/terrorists are due to the American presence or occupation in Iraq. They forget that this sickened ideal would readily target other secularists/infidels/kafirs/reformists or any other creed that is different to theirs in the absence of an enemy such as the US in their way.

When we expressed our joy for the fall of Saddam, the conspiracy theorists would poke their noses and explain to us that 'it is America that has removed this tyrant, why rejoice to that?'.

Our intellectual disaster is that our children, old ladies, peasants,.etc voice the same political opinions of our educated conspiracy theorists. Not because they are repeating them, but due to the fact that their opinions are based on the same beliefs that are inspired from popular mythology, heritage, cultural roots, religious misconceptions, and folklore deep seated in the region.

How are we supposed to have a dialogue with someone who believes the coalition forces presence in Iraq is part of a larger conspiracy or design against Iraq and the Arab/Muslim world?

How are we supposed to reason with someone who still believes that Saddam was working for the Americans?

Does that imply that every tyrant or dictator in the world that the US has not acted against is somehow related to the US? I have no idea what political language I can use to communicate with such people.

Why don't they point to the massive support Saddam recieved from the Soviet Union, France, China, and other countries of the Warsaw pact during the seventies, eighties, nineties, up to the last moment the fascist regime was in power? Why don't they mention the fact that all the other Arab regimes were behind him when he was commiting genocide against the Kurds?

We can't underestimate the effect of the conspiracy theory on the collective consciousness of the Arab people. The Arab mind is apt to grasp this theory because as we mentioned it is already present in its subconscious for centuries. It has adapted Arabs to be more tolerant and forgiving of their respective regimes, and would push people to support them against any foreign influence especially if that influence was the US which would endanger these regimes. See how Arab regimes in general are still shedding crocodile tears for Saddam and the poor occupied Iraqi people. Where were they the last 30 years?

Conspiracy theorists view the US in a narrowed eye. They are absolutists. They refuse any American political or military action which might benefit our people. Because they believe that any such benefit would not be out of concern for Iraqis or Arabs. Even if the US has vital interests in the area it does not mean we should refuse the positive outcome to our people or countries. If our interests coincide we cooperate with each other. And this is not Machiavellianism as someone naively suggested. This is Pragmatism.

In other words they do not differ greatly from the various Arab news channels in their coverage of the current situation in Iraq. Focusing on the negative in everything without even a hint to the huge progress in the country within the last few months. And just like these stations readily accuse the coalition for anything negative, the conspiracy theorists repeat the distorted facts blindly.

Our conspiracy theorists are very much like soccer team fans who shout and scream and try to give the impression that they are more skilled than the football player when he performs poorly. Of course the spectators aren't the same as those in the field, they don't understand the psychology of the player, the stress, and the technical requirements of the game. If their team loses, the crowd will simply say 'oh the referee was bribed', 'the goalkeeper sided with the opponents', 'the field was muddy', 'the grass wasn't mowed properly', 'the floor was slippery'..etc.

To blame the US for the war is easy. But to blame Saddam is a crime. After all he was just peacefully building his palaces, and cooperating with UN investigators. America was just being bloodthirsty and craving for war.

We ask the theorists, couldn't Saddam accept the offers for exile just like Iddi Amin or Taylor more recently? Couldn't he simply take the money and leave to avoid the war? Couldn't he have agreed to the inspections a long time ago? Isn't it his idiocy that was responsible for the war? Why did he give the US a justification for war? Or you think he should have stood to face the 'imperialist zionist design' against the region? Well I am the first to welcome this blessed design if it meant a better future and would change the rotten face of the area.

Of course these people contradict themselves, at one point they oppose the dictatorial regime, at another they defend his crimes when it comes to the US. They remind us of the UN sanctions and try to convince us -who have experienced the two wars and the embargo- that the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths were the result of these sanctions. It seems they choose to believe Tariq Aziz and Al-Sahaf and to disbelieve the fact that Saddams ruthless actions against the Iraqi people were responsible. Are they aware that Saddam did not import enough food and medicine for Iraqis? Are they aware that Saddam used billions of dollars from the Oil-For-Food program to construct hundreds of palaces, presidential resorts, and great mosques? Do they know that Saddam refused to maintain the damaged electric power infrastructure for the whole country while able to do so? Do they know that the regime imported the latest medical equipment from France the next day after the failed assasination of Uday? Why didn't he import them for other Iraqis? Why did they have to die? Why did he say they were prohibited by economic sanctions? How can someone defend such a regime just to prove a point? How can some Iraqis say today that they want Saddam back? Are they suffering from amnesia? or self-delusion?





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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2003 09:46 pm
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pistoff
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 12:21 am
Who are "they"?
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Why don't they point to the massive support Saddam recieved from the Soviet Union, France, China, and other countries of the Warsaw pact during the seventies, eighties, nineties, up to the last moment the fascist regime was in power? Why don't they mention the fact that all the other Arab regimes were behind him when he was commiting genocide against the Kurds?


I have read a few articles that have asserted all of the above.

While fully agreeing that Saddam is plain repugnant and a sociapathic murderer and tortuor I still maintian that the US and the UK are only using Iraq to serve their own imperialistic ends. Iraq is a pawn in the grand chess game of the ME.

If the Iraqies were truely free to fashion their own government does anyone really know what it would be be and how it would manifest itself? I suspect we may find out if the US discovers an exit plan.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 07:22 am
If you want some real insight ..... read this.
How can we help this guy?



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Healing Iraq
Daily news and comments on the situation in post Saddam Iraq



"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of what he was never reasoned into." Jonathan Swift

Wednesday, November 05, 2003
Anti-terrorism demonstrations
I wish to elaborate on this topic which I mentioned two days ago. I didn't go into much details at that time because I had not prepared an entry, so I wrote it on the fly.

First, I have to explain to some western idealists that public demonstrations is an alien idea to the majority of Iraqis. We have been forced to demonstrate in favour of Saddam, the Ba'ath, Palestine, and Arab nationalism for 3 decades. Just to give you an idea on how that was like for us; party members would surround colleges, schools, and govt. offices. They block all outlets and shove people into buses which head to wherever the demonstrations are to be held. You simply cannot refuse to demonstrate. I remember hiding in the toilet back in high school whenever the buses came into the park to herd us to the demos. It wasn't a pleasant experience I can tell you. Once I got stuck and had to shout anti-imperialist slogans at one of these rallies just two years ago. You don't have the slightest idea of what it is like to live your life daily in fear.

Now today, we are facing terrorist and violent threats against our nurseries, schools, colleges, hospitals, clinics, oil pipelines, power stations, water purification systems, and other civilian facilities. If you think that a peaceful demonstration would deter those criminals from doing harm to us, then you are 100% wrong. Do you think the Syrians/Saudis/Iranians/Yemenis/Sudanese would simply say 'Oh look, the Iraqis don't want us there, lets go home and leave the Americans and Iraqis work it out'? Or if you think we should go out and face the dangers just to prove to you -paranoid Americans sitting in your ivory towers watching tv- that we do not support the terrorists, then you are wrong again.

You see a handful of teenagers dancing in front of the camera celebrating dead Americans, and you judge an entire people, you start whining about pulling the troops out of Iraq and giving the Iraqis what they deserve. Are you people really so close-minded? It is the fault of your news agencies that show you what they want, its certainly not ours. If you want us to go out and cry for your dead soldiers and wave American flags, then don't count on it either. We are losing way too many innocent Iraqis daily to be grieving over dead soldiers who have actually made a decision to come here. What about the thousands of dead Iraqis who were not as lucky to have a choice? Did you cry for them?

According to a poll by an Iraqi agency, only 3% of Iraqis want Saddam back and less than 40% want the Americans to leave immediately. Did you even hear about these results?

If you think that Iraqis aren't doing enough, then you're being mislead by your media. Thousands of people are applying to be members of IP, FPS, and the civil defense force. They are begging for the security to be in their hands. We know how to handle those scum. The Americans are more interested in being nice and all about human rights and free speech and stuff. We have our own Law and court systems which we can use but the CPA won't allow us to. They are being too lenient and forgiving on our expence. If you think that is what is required to build a successful democracy then you're too deluded. You don't know the first thing about the Iraqi society.

Iraqis are providing intelligence to the CPA hourly. Just ask the soldiers here. Iraqis are cooperating in every way they can. They're losing their lives for it goddammit. If you aren't seeing it on tv, it isn't my ******* problem.

Imagine yourself living in a neighbourhood with a large number of ex-Baathists/Wahhabis/extremists like I do. Would you go out and denounce the Jihadis/Ba'athists openly for everyone to see, and then get back from work one day to find your brother kidnapped or a threat letter hanging on your door? A friend of mine was standing in front of his house with his kids when a car drove by and emptied a magazine of bullets into them. You know why? Because he was working with the CPA in reconstructing Baghdad Airport. What do you think he did? He stubbornly refused to quit his job and bravely returned to work after spending a week in hospital. Would you do the same? Of course not. We expected most of the IP would simply leave their jobs after last weeks bombing, well they didn't. In fact there were thousands of parents volunteering to carry arms and protect the schools which their kids attend to allow the IP to do their real job.

Let me be honest. Look at what 9/11 did to you. It shocked you, and you can't get over it to this day. Well let me invite you to Iraq where 9/11 is an everyday reality. How would you live your life? Stop comparing your 'perfect' society with mine. It isn't the same. People don't think the same. We don't put flags and stickers on our cars to show how patriotic we are. We don't go out in a 'dentists against terrorism' demonstration. We still don't have your free-speech and other social niceties yet.

Another thing I'm sure you haven't seen in your news. There are paintings on the walls all over Baghdad warning Arab foreigners from a bloody revenge if they keep messing with our affairs. Iraqis are openly calling the GC to quit the Arab League.

And to the guy who was being sarcastic about me sitting in an internet cafe and blogging or playing games instead of going out and organizing a demonstration. Well maybe you are right. I'm sick of people who don't appreciate my efforts. I'm wasting many hours a day and half my salary just to maintain this blog. I have a job, patients, a family, and friends, in other words I have a life. Maybe I will at one point do as you say and diss this whole stupid blog idea.


# posted by zeyad : 1:40 PM



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the prince
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 08:11 am
Guyz, I read this on an Indian website - this is by an indian analyst

Uncle Sam blesses the swamp

Would be interesting to hear your take on this.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 08:53 am
Hurray, Jay! (Old friend.)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 01:00 pm
Just saw on t.v. a report on a mother who went AWOL, because she feels caring for her own children is more important than fighting the war in Iraq. No death penalty here; the army is trying to figure out what to do besides giving her a "dishonorable" discharge. Makes for interesting conflicts concerning this war and Americans.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2003 01:42 pm
Washington - At least 28 soldiers have failed to report for flights back to Iraq after two weeks of leave in the United States or to call ahead with an explanation, US military spokespeople said on Tuesday.
The military sought to play down the no-shows, noting that they represented only a tiny fraction of the more than 1 300 Iraq-based soldiers who have been given two weeks of leave since the program began September 25.
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