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The UN, US and Iraq IV

 
 
Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 10:02 am
She is a Cardigan Welsh Corgi at about 8 weeks. Ears will perk up.
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Rose
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 12:19 pm
Viewing your adorable pet is a refreshing breath from the discussion here, Tartarin. The way the government is going, you have a right to wonder whether you will be capable of feeding your puppy!

I am flabberghasted at those, who post comparisons of a world war and the sitting president's problems at that time, to the chaos of the "Iraqi conquest attempt"--
as todays president "spins, urges, pleads, makes excuses, dodges, and lies"... when actually:

We did not have to be there at ALL in this manner.
To hear this administration's fabrications of how we were in danger, and how the American people in compassion, BACKED him all the way to remove Saddam Hussien-
is to CHOKE on the sputtum that flies from the lips of the deceivers!

I do not mind a discussion between civil persons when they have pertinent argument to present. And I believe it is a precious freedom to be allowed to harbour one's own opinion.
However... (and didn't that sound like a "but, but" waiting to happen )
unless one can SUPPORT the stand they take with facts, they would do better to 'harbour' their opinion quietly and wait for an 'outcome'.
(It is my opinion that this OUTCOME is going to be a long and painful time, processing.)
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 12:26 pm
Rose, wilkommen!
Most of us here prefer to cite sources for our opinions. You just happened on a thread soured by a particularly pungent poster of unsubstatiated dreck. Confused
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 12:30 pm
Rose, Often times, it's almost imossible to provide our opinions with "facts," because we are subjective animals with differing opinions about how we perceive those facts. Take the topic on GWBush and his approval rating; he's doing pretty good according to most Americans, but I disagree. Where's my facts? Well, it's mostly how GWBush has managed to bring us into war with Iraq on justifications that have changed a dozen times. I know that most Americans still feel we were justified, because it's for the Iraqi People, and freeing them from Saddam. According to my 'facts,' Saddam is still alive and well. c.i.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 12:41 pm
Welcome Rose! I really think it ought to be a rule of discussion -- that an opinion is an opinion, a quote is a belly-button fluff unless it's accompanied by a link, a source.

And dreck is dreck, except I always thought it was spelled drek! Because it comes from "dreg" I suppose. Dreck is the shampoo... uh...
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Rose
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 07:00 pm
No, Tartarin, BRECK is the shampoo! Very Happy

Yes Ci, I know we cannot support every little part of our political belief with hard facts. Whether we wish it or not, lies just do not grow a 'pinocchio' nose. Laughing
Good thing... there would not be enough room in the world for politicians--- and then the rest of us. Confused Embarrassed Laughing

Actually, I have NEVER believed the majority of the US citizens back Bush. I think 'his' polls are skewed, and I have heard persons much smarter and in high media and political circles, say they think that also. But we can't take the poll apart. Hmmmm???
Little it matters what you or I 'think'...
We can only hope cool heads will gain control again soon.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 09:37 pm
Hobit - it was sourced. I would just like to know what that source is, since it's an email address.

And, because I'm lightheaded tonight, I looked up drek. Pages and pages of unexpected stuff (including pornography) - but it's a Yiddish word for - well, crap, merde, cagajon...

So far as polls go. Well, tonight, on the news, I hear about Scwarzenegger leading the polls in CA, then, later, I see Bustamante is. Many polls are undertaken at the request of a group, company, etc., and so the very wording of a question can determine the answer. Whenever I see the numbers over 60% of Americans favoring the Iraqi mess, I start to wonder, because I have been asked things like, "Do you support our troops in Iraq?" Of course I do, but I don't get asked the other questions. A long time ago I worked in this field - creating charts, graphs, tables, etc explaining the results of polls. Except we knew the results wanted beforehand. I do trust some - like Pew and Zogby. But there was that headline, "Dewey Wins," based on some national polling. And was that one wrong.

Tart - She's beautiful. I wish you lots of fun and joy with her.

Welcome, Rose.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 10:27 pm
Rose, I sincerely hope you're right about the polls being over-rated for GWB. I want him to sink into the horizon immediately after the next election; out of sight and out of mind.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 10:29 pm
Checks and balances? MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM could be.
Don't touch that dial .......


GAO's Final Energy Task Force Report Reveals that the Vice President Made A False Statement to Congress
By JOHN W. DEAN
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Friday, Aug. 29, 2003

This month, the General Accounting Office (GAO) - the investigative and auditing arm of Congress - issued a report that contains some startling revelations. Though they are couched in very polite language, they are bombshells nonetheless.

The report - entitled "Energy Task Force: Process Used to Develop the National Energy Policy" - and its accompanying Chronology strongly imply that the Administration has, in effect, been paying off its heavy-hitting energy industry contributors. It also very strongly implies that Vice President Dick Cheney lied to Congress.

The Background: How Cheney Stonewalled GAO

In a sense, this story begins during the close 2000 Presidential election, when energy industry special interests were big-dollar contributors to the Bush-Cheney campaign. (In 2004's re-election campaign, they will doubtless be called upon once again.)

After he was elected - and very much beholden to those contributors - Bush put Cheney in charge of developing the National Energy Policy. To do so, Cheney convened an Energy Task Force. (Details about the Task Force can be found in my prior column.)

Cheney's selection alone was ominous: He had headed Halliburton, just the kind of big-dollar Republican energy industry contributor that had helped Bush-Cheney win the election in the first place.

The Energy Task Force might have operated in absolute secrecy, were it not for GAO. GAO is a nonpartisan agency with statutory authority to investigate "all matters related to the receipt, disbursement, and use of public money," so that it can judge the expenditures and effectiveness of public programs, and report to Congress on what it finds.

To fulfill its statutory responsibility, GAO sought documents from Vice-President Cheney relating to Energy Task Force expenditures. But in a literally unprecedented move, the White House said no.

Amazingly, it did so without even bothering to claim that the documents sought were covered by executive privilege. It simply refused.

On August 2, 2001, Vice President Cheney sent a letter - personally signed by him - to Congress demanding, in essence, that it get the Comptroller off his back. In the letter, he claimed that his staff had already provided "documents responsive to the Comptroller General's inquiry concerning the costs associated with the [Energy task force's] work." As I will explain later, this turned out to be a lie.

In the end, GAO had to go to court to try to get the documents to which it plainly was entitled. On December 9, 2002, GAO lost in court - though, as I argued in a prior column, the decision was incorrect.

Then, on February 9, 2003, the Comptroller General announced GAO's decision not to appeal. He said he feared that another adverse decision would cause the agency to lose even more power, more permanently. Several news accounts suggest that it was the Republican leadership of Congress that stopped the appeal.

This August's Report Reveals Cheney Lied About Providing Responsive Documents

Then this August's Report was issued. It was not the thorough, comprehensive Report GAO wanted it to be. (Indeed, GAO's Comptroller General has stressed that "the Vice President's persistent denial of access to" records "precluded GAO from fully achieving our objectives and substantially limited our analysis.") But it is enough to shock, and disturb, the reader.

The Report shows that Cheney's claim to Congress, in the August 2, 2001 letter, that responsive documents were provided to GAO, was plainly false.

According to the Report, Cheney provided GAO with 77 pages of "documents retrieved from the files of the Office of the Vice President responsive to" GAO's inquiry regarding the Energy Task Force's "receipt, disbursement, and use of public funds."

To any lawyer, a mere 77-page document production seems suspiciously slim - especially when it is meant to represent information from a group of people on a fairly broad topic. Surely there were more documents that were not turned over.

Moreover, it turned out, as the Report reveals, that the documents that were turned over were useless: "The materials were virtually impossible to analyze, as they consisted, for example, of pages with dollar amounts but no indication of the nature or purpose of the expenditure." They were further described as "predominantly reimbursement requests, assorted telephone bills and random items, such as the executive director's credit card receipt for pizza."

In sum, the incomplete document production was not only nonresponsive - it was insulting. So the GAO pressed for responsive documents numerous times in different ways: letters, telephone exchanges and meetings.

Perhaps the most pointed of these was a July 18, 2001 letter from the Comptroller to the Vice President. It noted that GAO had "been given 77 pages of miscellaneous records purporting to relate to these direct and indirect costs. Because the relevance of these records is unclear, we continue to request all records responsive to our request, including any records that clarify the nature and purpose of the costs." (Emphasis added.)

Cheney's False Statement About the Responsive Documents Was Plainly Intentional

Despite receiving this letter, Cheney still claimed to Congress, a few weeks later, on August 2, that responsive documents had been produced.

Of course, Cheney is a busy man. Yet there can be no question as to whether he was aware of the July 18, 2001 letter from the Comptroller complaining about the 77 pages of documents' being unresponsive: He even attached it to his own August 2 letter to Congress, as part of a chronology. And again, he personally signed that August 2 letter.

Nor can there be any question that Cheney knows what it means to produce responsive documents - and not to do so. In the same paragraph of the August 2 letter in which he claims he was responsive to the Energy Task Force request, he makes a lesser claim with respect to another GAO request - stating that there, he had merely "provided substantial responses." (Emphasis added.)

Plainly, Cheney knows the difference between being responsive; offering a substantial response; and sending insulting non-responsive materials, featuring unexplained phone bills, columns of unidentified figures, and a pizza receipt.

Thus, Cheney's claim to have produced responsive documents was a false statement and, all evidence suggests, an intentional one. That means it is also a criminal offense - a false statement to Congress. (In a previous column, I discussed the false statements statute and its application.)

GAO's Polite Tone Belies The Shocking Evidence Its Report Offers

The straight arrows at GAO were no doubt horrified that the Vice President of the United States, who is the Constitutional presiding officer of the U.S. Senate, would deliberately mislead the Congress with such blatant misinformation.

Being nonpartisan, they refrained from accusing the Vice President of this crime. But as their Report shows, they included evidence that makes the crime evident for all to see. They also provided evidence of what the motive for the crime was.

The Report quietly - but tellingly - notes that the Vice President's team "solicited input from, or received information and advice from nonfederal energy stakeholders, principally petroleum, coal, nuclear, natural gas, and electricity industry representatives and lobbyists." (Emphasis added.)

In other words, if the Vice President is not trying to cover up the fact that he met with big energy interests - including past contributors - and allowed them a large role in settling our nation's energy policy, why all the secrecy ? That is what other observers have suspected - and what has been rumored from the beginning. Thanks to Cheney's obfuscation, we still can't know for certain. Yet thanks to GAO, we do now know for certain that he lied to Congress to cover up something, and there is little doubt in my mind as to what he is hiding.

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John W. Dean, a FindLaw columnist, is a former counsel to the President.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2003 06:36 am
Here's some detail about the Saudis' involvement with al-Qaeda, as revealed by author Gerald Posner in his new book "Why America Slept" and appearing in TIME. Excerpts, and link at the end:

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By March 2002, the terrorist called Abu Zubaydah was one of the most wanted men on earth. A leading member of Osama bin Laden's brain trust, he is thought to have been in operational control of al-Qaeda's millennium bomb plots as well as the attack on the U.S.S. Cole in October 2000. Seventeen months ago, the U.S. finally grabbed Zubaydah in Pakistan and has kept him locked up in a secret location ever since.

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When questioning stalled, according to Posner, CIA men flew Zubaydah to an Afghan complex fitted out as a fake Saudi jail chamber, where "two Arab-Americans, now with Special Forces," pretending to be Saudi inquisitors, used drugs and threats to scare him into more confessions. Yet when Zubaydah was confronted by the false Saudis, writes Posner, "his reaction was not fear, but utter relief." Happy to see them, he reeled off telephone numbers for a senior member of the royal family who would, said Zubaydah, "tell you what to do." The man at the other end would be Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, a Westernized nephew of King Fahd's and a publisher better known as a racehorse owner. His horse War Emblem won the Kentucky Derby in 2002.

Zubaydah, writes Posner, said the Saudi connection ran through Prince Turki al-Faisal bin Abdul Aziz, the kingdom's longtime intelligence chief. Zubaydah said bin Laden "personally" told him of a 1991 meeting at which Turki agreed to let bin Laden leave Saudi Arabia and to provide him with secret funds as long as al-Qaeda refrained from promoting jihad in the kingdom. The Pakistani contact, high-ranking air force officer Mushaf Ali Mir, entered the equation, Zubaydah said, at a 1996 meeting in Pakistan also attended by Zubaydah. Bin Laden struck a deal with Mir, then in the military but tied closely to Islamists in Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (isi), to get protection, arms and supplies for al-Qaeda. Zubaydah told interrogators bin Laden said the arrangement was "blessed by the Saudis."

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The last eight paragraphs of the book set up a final startling development. Those three Saudi princes all perished within days of one another. On July 22, 2002, Prince Ahmed was felled by a heart attack at age 43. One day later Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al-Saud, 41, was killed in what was called a high-speed car accident. The last member of the trio, Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, officially "died of thirst" while traveling east of Riyadh one week later. And seven months after that, Mushaf Ali Mir, by then Pakistan's Air Marshal, perished in a plane crash in clear weather over the unruly North-West Frontier province, along with his wife and closest confidants.


Confessions of a Terrorist
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2003 09:13 am
Hol* S**t. And they jump on people who look at Wellstone's death as a possibly set-up...
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 01:54 am
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Kara
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 10:00 pm
Interesting post, Ge. I'm sure that the confusion in Iraq is compounded by the lack of informative and independent television available to the people. Without any reliable news media, rumor runs rife, and what you know is what you just heard from your neighbor.

I was disturbed by this statement of the blogger:

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I have heard no one say anything like this. He is setting up a straw man so that he can knock it down. Even those who are supportive of our country's actions in Iraq now note that we need more order and security, although there is disagreement about the best way to achieve it: more troops or some other solution.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2003 04:02 am
Sorry Kara, I did a lousy job of posting ..... the post you commented on was preceded by this post.

My mind has been about 200 miles North.

I was struck by the religious implications .,... the breaking down of the factions by separating religion from citizenship ..... naming as a Sunni or other sect in place of 'an Iraqi' of Sunni persuasion. A subtle difference to a Baptist American (so far), but to a people willing to fly into the side of a building to make a religious point, a huge difference.







:: Sunday, August 31, 2003 ::

Today we shall have a world premier. An Iraqi blog-fight. Roll up your sleeves Riverbend, let's talk about al-Hakim's death.

Two posts Chaos and Position open
Look regardless of what he stood for and the fact he and his party are very good buddies with Iran, the significance and the gravity of what happened is not to be overlooked. I agree with you, if SCIRI had its way we would end up as an Iran clone. But he is a religious leader, he is a "Marji'i" and at least for the moment they are playing by the rules. They are adopting a more lenient line, they talk about a constitution and they have Adil abdul-Mahdi who is a very clever man, the people who are behind the curtains are always more interesting than the actual puppets. And if we had abdul-Mahdis in all the religious parties believe we would not have had so much to fear, these are people who know how to walk the narrow path.
With the assassination of Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim the SCIRI leadership has been put in a very difficult position, they have to bring their militia into the play now. Their followers demand it and this is something abdul-Mahdi was visibly agonized about during today's press conference. We all realize that if Badr Brigade got on the streets of Najaf the other factions will see no reason to send their militias down as well and this is never good, they will start fighting for turf and places like Najaf and Karbala should not become fighting grounds. I hope the Shia in Iraq, their leaderships, are wise enough to realize these holy cities should stay a symbol of their unity, their united struggle.
Most dangerously it will give, the assassination already has given as excuse to the more dangerous Muqtada al-Sadr to get his own militia together, he has been assembling one for quite a while now [Imam Mahdi's Army] and these are the people we should all worry about, he is pissed off because he has been booted out of the Governing Council and since he is not a Hawza religious scholar he has no power without having his own bunch of thugs. The statements which were spread around today are using the death of Hakim to put more blame on the Americans. Although we know very well that Muqtada al-sadr would not mind getting al-Hakim out of the game. The demonstrators were asking for the security issue to be handed over to Iraqis believe me we do not want to be guarded by sadr's thugs, their Friday Imams belive that women should not even go to shops and their [groups of virtuous] have been behind the bombing of shops selling alcohol and behind the threats to cinema owners.

Beside the significance of assassinating an Ayatollah these fuckers did it in front of an entrance to Imam Ali's shrine. What idiot would do that? It is the same question everyone was asking about the bombing of the UN building, what sort of person would do this sort of thing? There is nothing sacred anymore. And right after a Friday prayer. There is just so much to this. Hundreds of people beside the Ayatollah, it is totally devastating.
Yes I know they would want to have an Islamic state here but they are much mellower than the Sadr and his "militant Hawza", the importance of SCIRI is to counter balance. They have agreed to play the political game and abdul-Aziz al-Hakim (the Ayatollah's brother) is on the Governing Council, isn't he? They are working with the Americans.

Whoever did this is pure evil. The UN, an assassination in front of Imam Ali's shrine. You wonder what will come next. If you ask me I think it will be media. Al-Jazeera I getting threatened quite often, and if you are moving with journalists the scariest thing that could happen is if people think you are from Jazeera. Al-Arabiya reporters were attacked in Najaf today and a couple of Reuter's guys who the crowd thought were from Jazeera almost got in serious trouble. I got called an American intelligence agent and a collaborator with the Zionist agents, which kind of freaked me out. [here are pictures from the demo pic1 pic2]

you ask

Where is this guy living? Is he even in the same time zone??? I'm incredulousÂ… maybe he's from some alternate universe where shooting, looting, tanks, rape, abductions, and assassinations aren't considered chaos, but it's chaos in *my* world.

I have an answer for you.

L. Paul Bremer III, the chief American administrator, was on vacation. Nobody seemed to know when exactly he would return


He is on a beach somewhere in the states; I swear I am not joking. When they called him 3 hours after the incident he had no idea what they were talking about.
And there is another article in the Times worth reading, G was with Neil in Najaf and he is the Shia expert, they love him down there, they think he is a Shia muslim from Iran, if they only knew the truth. Anyway take a look at the article [Car Bomb in Iraq Kills 95 at Shiite Mosque] the death toll is now 113.

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more interesting links on Shia Pundit's Blog [Live like Ali - die like Husain]
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http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2003 12:20 pm
Quote:


The question in my mind is: how truthful is the Bushites, what tricks do they have up their sleeves?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2003 12:47 pm
Not much obvious on the surface, but it'll turn up sooner or later. With all the lies of this administration, it's going to take more than begging to get the trust of the world community - me thinks.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2003 12:51 pm
Quite a few tricks up their sleeves... I'm half listening (and plan to go back when the audio is posted online) to a discussion on Talk of the Nation (NPR) about Halliburton and Bechtel. Neil King of the WSJ had some pretty interesting things to say, among others. I dug up this week-old piece of his:

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US To Boost Bechtel's Iraq
Reconstruction Contract
Quicken.com
8-29-03


"San Francisco-based Bechtel was originally awarded an 18 month, $680 million contract for Iraqi reconstruction work... Andrew Natsios, the head of the U.S. Agency for International Development, promised that no additional taxpayer money would go into the Bechtel contract beyond the $680 million ceiling."

"According to a funding document from the U.S.-led Iraqi provisional authority, however, U.S. officials recently decided that Bechtel requires the additional $350 million "to maintain momentum in high-priority infrastructure projects.""

Faced with escalating costs and continued instability in Iraq, U.S. officials in Baghdad have decided to boost Bechtel Group Inc.'s postwar reconstruction contract by $350 million, or more than 50%, The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.

The decision to steer additional funds to Bechtel is the latest sign that the Bush administration has seriously underestimated the cost and complexity of rebuilding Iraq. Although the U.S. plans a dramatic push for new reconstruction funds -- part of what one U.S. official said will be a $2.75 billion emergency budget request for Iraq next month -- the administration remains vague on what the overall project is likely to cost.

The new Bechtel money, which could be turned over within days, is part of at least $1 billion the U.S. hopes to pour into Iraqi power generation alone over the next year. U.S. officials and Bechtel assessment teams now estimate Iraqi reconstruction will cost at least $16 billion and likely much more. L. Paul Bremer, the top U.S. official in Iraq, has said that the costs of rebuilding Iraq and revitalizing its economy could top $100 billion.

San Francisco-based Bechtel was originally awarded an 18 month, $680 million contract for Iraqi reconstruction work on airports, water, power, schools, roads and government buildings. After business rivals and some legislators criticized the limited competition involved in that award, Andrew Natsios, the head of the U.S. Agency for International Development, promised that no additional taxpayer money would go into the Bechtel contract beyond the $680 million ceiling.

[BUT!!]...

According to a funding document from the U.S.-led Iraqi provisional authority, however, U.S. officials recently decided that Bechtel requires the additional $ 350 million "to maintain momentum in high-priority infrastructure projects." Mr. Bremer approved the new projects on Aug. 20, according to the document.

Yesterday, an AID spokeswoman said that "security conditions" had evidently led Mr. Bremer to lift the limit and give more work to Bechtel.
The additional $ 350 million will come from what's left of a $2.5 billion Iraq reconstruction fund Congress approved early this year.

U.S. officials also said they are willing to consider sharing responsibility for security with a United Nations-backed multinational force as long as it was under American command.

Possibly within weeks, the Bush administration plans to put out for bids a new contract for follow-on work in Iraq that could be valued at well over $2 billion, according to administration and congressional sources. The contract would focus mainly on power and water work.

Congress has pressured the administration to open any additional Iraq work to competition and not simply to stick with the same contractors.

Michael Kidder, a Bechtel spokesman, said there have been "informal discussions" in Baghdad on the need for new funding but added that "we have not received any formal notification of additional work in Iraq."

Wall Street Journal staff reporters Neil King, Jr. and Simeon Kerr contributed to this article.

Copyright 2003 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2003 01:32 pm
yeah, yeah......
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2003 09:25 pm
From The Nation (nation.com):

Donald Rumsfeld and Condoleeza Rice say post-war Iraq is like post-war Germany. The US occupation of Germany, they say, featured guerrillas who engaged in murder and sabotage. "One group of those dead-enders was known as 'werewolves.' They and other Nazi regime remnants targeted Allied soldiers, and they targeted Germans who cooperated with the Allied forces," Rumsfeld says. "Mayors were assassinated including the American-appointed mayor of Aachen, the first major German city to be liberated. Children as young as 10 were used as snipers ... [Werewolves] blew up police stations and government buildings, and they destroyed stocks of art and antiques that were stored by the Berlin Museum. Does this sound familiar?"

Well, no.

What Rumsfeld and Rice fail to mention is the official casualty count for US forces in post-war Germany: Zero. That's right. According to "America's Role in Nation-Building: From Germany to Iraq," a new study by the Rand Corporation, not one American combat death was recorded in occupied Germany. In fact, zero is the total of all combat casualties from the US occupations of Germany, Japan, Haiti and the Balkans. Compare that to the 67 US soldiers killed in straight-out combat since aviator action figure George Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" on May 1 (bringing the American death toll to 285 since the war began).

Rumsfeld is right, the mayor of Aachen was indeed murdered -- two months before the Nazis surrendered and the US occupation began. That murder, according to the US Army's official history of the war, was "probably the [werewolves'] most sensational achievement." Another standard World War II encyclopedia says: "The Werewolves existed more in fiction than in fact, being primarily the fictional creation of ... [Joseph] Goebbels."

Daniel Benjamin lays this out in an excellent Slate article, and then asks an excellent question: "So, how did this fanciful version of the American experience in postwar Germany get into the remarks of a Princeton graduate and former trustee of Stanford's Hoover Institute (Rumsfeld) and the former provost of Stanford and co-author of an acclaimed book on German unification (Rice)? Perhaps the British have some intelligence on the matter ..."
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2003 09:40 pm
And this commentary from American Prospect's "Tapped" (at prospect.org):


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NOT TOO LATE TO FAIL. Fareed Zakaria's Newsweek articles -- among the most important policy journalism published anywhere these days -- are always worth reading. And the newest one is no exception. After reviewing the long history of turmoil, coups, bloodshed and mayhem in modern Iraq, he writes:

Keeping peace in a country like this cannot be easy. That is why the Bush administration's attempts to do so unilaterally and on the cheap have been such a disaster. In a remarkable interview last week, Gen. John Abizaid, head of the Central Command, told The New York Times that he needed more troops. This seems to contradict what Donald Rumsfeld said two days earlier, which could be a sign of more internal wrangling, or could mark the beginning of a turnaround. Abizaid attempted to disguise the shift by saying that critics were wrong; he needed no more American troops and instead only wanted foreign forces. But almost no one urging a buildup has been suggesting American troops. For one thing, there are no more American troops available. We would have to move divisions out of Europe or East Asia or mobilize the National Guard. Other than a few neoconservatives, who cannot bear to utter the words "United Nations," everyone understands that more troops can only come in the form of a multinational force under U.N. mandate.

Abizaid's explanation for why we need foreign forces is even more remarkable. American troops, he explained, were fueling Iraqi nationalism that was morphing into anti-Americanism: "You can't underestimate the public perception, both within Iraq and within the Arab world, about the percentage of forces being so heavily American." But who underestimated this problem of Iraqi nationalism? Certainly not those of us who argued from the day the war ended that the operation should be multinational, with full U.N. authorization. It was the administration itself that argued that American troops were going to be welcomed as liberators; that the postwar period would require few forces; that Iraqis disliked the Europeans and the United Nations, and that America would have absolutely no legitimacy problem.

Abizaid's interview is a powerful admission that on the two most important postwar issues -- the number of forces and the nature of the occupation -- the Bush administration got it badly wrong. The only question now is, will the administration finally recognize its errors? It might already be too late to achieve a great success in Iraq. But it is not too late to avoid a humiliating failure.


Zakaria is correct. Tapped notes with great sadness how many conservatives continue to exist in a fictional land where people like Zakaria want the United States to fail. In fact, most people, including most liberals, want America to succeed in Iraq, if by succeed you mean building a stable, free, prosperous nation from the ruins of Saddam Hussein's regime. But our success depends on conservatives throwing off the blinders of their own petulant ideology, recognizing the mistakes that have been made by this administration, and throwing their weight behind rectifying those errors. We'll see if that actually happens.
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