Northern Illinois University Shooting

Bodies are still warm and the gun nuts are using them for political purposes.

Obviously you didn't read that this was written two weeks ago.

Troll.

I did read it was written 2 weeks ago. I also see the title of this thread.





Maybe you forgot what you titled it.

Any comments on the letter? Any comments on "gun free killing zones"?

If not, please go away.

I made my comments. You didn't like them.

2 weeks ago the bodies were still warm in the Lane Bryant store. The letter was written by a gun nut when the bodies were still warm.

You post the letter here a few hours after the shooting in Northern Ill.



And you think I am a troll.

So, it's OK for the Brady bunch to show up and condemn guns immediately after a shooting?

Illinois AND Wisconsin need CCW and they need it now.

even if those students were armed, they had no chance to defend themselves...

Really? Why not?

(i shouldn't have to explain it)

Uh, yes, you should.

The reports state the the shooter appeared on the auditorium stage and began firing, first with a shotgun then with handgun.

If one person, just one, had fired back (it would have been an easy shot), my bet is that lives would have been spared.

And I haven't even mentioned the teacher. Apparently he chased, then shot the teacher, before he ever went after the students. I think it's a strong case for arming teachers.

cjhsa
cjhsa, the thing that would help us the most would be for you, and other gun fanatics, to have a brain transplant.

BBB

It is my job to educate bbb. Education and undertstanding are key.

It is our most basic right to protect ourselves against any and all threats to our life. Denial is an ugly thing.

Everyone needs to watch this video.

It is NOT graphic, it is important.

http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2007/08/30/gun-control-witness-video/

The second amendment , according to cj, is a license to murder.
If it turns out that this nut acquired the guns via some loophole in an ancient "gun show" law like that in Va, then there should be some modification of the 2nd Amendment .

The solution to gun crimes is not more guns. I can see gunfights in supremarkets, schools, and at 30000 feet.

You say you want a revolution...

Fman is a member of the American Hunters and Shooters Association, a gun control advocacy group cloaked in a name that belies their intentions, much like the HSUS.

NIU Gunman Stopped Taking Medication
by CARYN ROUSSEAU and DEANNA BELLANDI
February 15, 2008 - AP

DEKALB, Ill. ?- The man who gunned down five people at Northern Illinois University in a suicidal rampage became erratic after halting his medication and carried a shotgun to campus inside a guitar case, police said Friday.

The man, 27-year-old former student Stephen Kazmierczak, was also wielding three handguns during Thursday's ambush inside a lecture hall.

Two of the weapons _ the pump-action Remington shotgun and a Glock 9mm handgun _ were purchased legally less than a week ago, on Feb. 9, authorities said. They were purchased in Champaign, where Kazmierczak was enrolled at the University of Illinois.

The other weapons were still being traced.

Campus Police Chief Donald Grady said investigators recovered 48 shell casings and six shotgun shells following the attack in Cole Hall. The gunman paused to reload his shotgun after opening fire on a crowd of terrified students in a geology class, sending them running and crawling toward the exits. He shot himself to death on the stage of the hall.

Kazmierczak, whose first name was earlier listed as Steven, was taking some kind of medication, Grady said.

"He had stopped taking medication and become somewhat erratic in the last couple of weeks," Grady said, declining to name the drug or provide other details.

Correcting information his office released earlier Friday, DeKalb County Coroner Rusty Miller said five students, not six, were killed in the rampage, in addition to the gunman. Miller said the higher victim total was the result of confusion over the fate of a patient taken to another county for treatment.

"There was a miscommunication," Miller said.

In Florida, Polk County sheriff's officials said they were asked to notify the suspect's father _ Robert Kazmierczak of Lakeland, Fla. _ of his son's death. They said the elder Kazmierczak was not at home to avoid the media.

The motive of the killer, who graduated from NIU in 2006 but was a student there as recently as last year, was still not known. Grady said Kazmierczak was an "outstanding" student while at NIU and authorities were still trying to determine why he would kill. There was no known suicide note.

"We were dealing with a disturbed individual who intended to do harm on this campus," NIU President John Peters said.

Witnesses said the gunman, dressed in black and wearing a stocking cap, emerged from behind a screen on the stage of 200-seat Cole Hall and opened fire just as the class was about to end around 3 p.m. Officials said 162 students were registered for the class but it was unknown how many were there Thursday.

Allyse Jerome, 19, a sophomore from Schaumburg, said the gunman burst through a stage door and pulled out a gun.

"Honestly, at first everyone thought it was a joke," Jerome said. Everyone hit the floor, she said. Then she got up and ran, but tripped. She said she felt like "an open target."

"He could've decided to get me," Jerome said. "I thought for sure he was gonna get me."

John Giovanni, 20, of Des Plaines said the gunman calmly fired at the greatest concentration of students.

"He was shooting from the hip. He was just shooting," said Giovanni, who turned and ran so fast that he lost a shoe. "I was running but I was hurtling over people in the fetal position."

Peters said four people died at the scene, including three students and the gunman. The others died at hospitals. The teacher, a graduate student, was wounded but was expected to recover.

DeKalb County Coroner Dennis J. Miller released the identities of four victims: Daniel Parmenter, 20, of Westchester; Catalina Garcia, 20, of Cicero; Ryanne Mace, 19, of Carpentersville; and Julianna Gehant, 32, of Meridan.

Another victim, Gayle Dubowski, a 20-year-old sophomore from Carol Stream, died at a Rockford hospital, Winnebago County Coroner Sue Fiduccia said.

The killer had been a graduate student in sociology at Northern Illinois as recently as spring 2007, Peters said. He also said the suspect had no record of police contact or an arrest record while attending Northern Illinois, a campus with 25,000 students about 65 miles west of Chicago.

The gunman was a student at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign, Chancellor Richard Herman said.

Lauren Carr said she was sitting in the third row when she saw the shooter walk through a door on the right-hand side of the stage, pointing a gun straight ahead.

"I personally Army-crawled halfway up the aisle," said Carr, a 20-year-old sophomore. "I said I could get up and run or I could die here."

She said a student in front of her was bleeding, "but he just kept running."

"I heard this girl scream, 'Run, he's reloading the gun!'"

More than a hundred students cried and hugged as they gathered outside the Phi Kappa Alpha house early Friday to remember Parmenter, the 20-year-old sophomore from Elmhurst, who was one of those killed.

The campus was closed on Friday. Students were urged to call their parents and were offered counseling at any residence hall, according to the school Web site.

The school was closed for one day during final exam week in December after campus police found threats, including racial slurs and references to shootings earlier in the year at Virginia Tech, scrawled on a bathroom wall in a dormitory. Police determined after an investigation that there was no imminent threat and the campus was reopened. Peters said he knew of no connection between that incident and Thursday's attack.
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Associated Press writers Carla K. Johnson, Michael Tarm, David Mercer, Martha Irvine, Nguyen Huy Vu, Sarah Rafi, Mike Robinson and photographer Charles Rex Arbogast contributed to this report.

Problem: Bicycle seats are hard and they hurt.

Solution: Dorky pants!

First of all if any kid had a hand gun, I'm sure the guy/gal would have known how to pull the trigger.

Secondly, some of the young men in the lecture hall were at least 6 feet tall and many looked like football players. Why didn't any of these guys jump up on the stage and throw the killer on the ground.

The kids have all said they heard the shots and ran like hell out the door. No on tried to grap the shooter.