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Hillary Clinton for President - 2008

 
 
Stray Cat
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 05:39 pm
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While Hillary often comes across a bit shrill, Obama is always cool and collected.


As one of my favorite radio jocks said the other day, whenever Hillary raises her voice, she comes off sounding like a woman yelling at her husband.
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real life
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 11:00 pm
nimh wrote:
real life wrote:
Yep. Gotta love his reason:

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He cited Obama's support from an overwhelming majority of young voters as the major reason for his decision.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/21/superdelegate-schmoozed-by-chelsea-backs-obama/

What a sheep.

Can this poli sci major think for himself? It appears that he cannot.

Doncha just love the education system that churns out such Me Toos ?


Alternatively, he might define his task as Superdelegate as best representing the voters of his constituency (however he defines it). Since one Superdelegate's vote equals that of thousands of regular primary voters, there is a wholly legitimate reason for deciding that, rather than using your in many ways unreasonable privilege to try to swing the result away from the voters' preferences, it is better to confirm what a majority of voters like you have already decided.


If the superdelegates are supposed to be nothing more than rubber stamps, then the D's are more foolish than I thought.

The D's nominating process was front loaded to try to engineer an early coronation, but instead has revealed the worst natures of both wings of the party.

This won't end and will likely go all the way to the convention without either candidate having clinched the top spot.

It's gonna get uglier before it gets better.

Michigan and Florida, two of the largest states, won't stand still for disenfranchisement.

Blacks and Hispanics, large segments in those respective states, will have an interesting view of the party leadership's disdain for their opinion and their right to vote.

Hillary has played them for fools and is attempting to use them for her own benefit.

Barack 'Present' Obama can make any tough decisions and so will continue to say that it wasn't his problem, it was 'them' that did it, it's all 'their' fault.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2008 10:06 am
This One's For the Girls
This One's For the Girls
by Kristen Breitweiser
Posted February 29, 2008

Let's face it, somewhere deep down inside, even Michelle Obama believes that in a more perfect world she would be the Obama running for President.

Buzz up!on Yahoo!Come'on. We've all read Michelle's comments about Barack: He doesn't pick up his dirty laundry; can't make a bed better than a five-year old, while he's off playing rock star she is left raising their children and running the household remarking that she didn't sign up to be a single-parent; noting that she is married to the "man" Barack certainly not the phenomenon. In short, Michelle's relegated to the grunt work while Barack gets the fun work.

We've all witnessed Michelle's facial expressions when she observes Barack. Eyes rolling. And we've all heard Michelle speak about Barack when she delivers one of her un-edited backhanded comments about him. It's like she can't help herself. She knows she is better. Heck, even standing next to Barack, Michelle makes a more commanding presence by appearing stronger, more engaged, and more aware. In Team Obama, Barack's the cheerleader, while Michelle's the quarterback.

Michelle knows the same simple truth that all women know: when it comes to getting work done and cleaning up messes, women are better than men.

This is part of the reason of why Hillary Clinton is the better candidate in '08. Aside from the fact that she has more experience; she is a woman. It's time we recognize what a strength that is in a Commander in Chief.

Hillary is smarter, more capable, a harder worker, better multi-tasker, and most importantly, tougher than Barack.

Let's employ the "foxhole rule." Imagine yourself in the heat of war. Bombs dropping everywhere. You're dug in. You've got limited ammo. All hell is breaking loose. Who would you rather have getting your back? Barack or Hillary?

Hands down, I would personally choose Hillary because she would fight to the death. She would get the job done. She is one tough, smart cookie. In essence it's the difference between "can" and "will."

Sure, we all can do anything -- this is after all America. But what "will" we do -- that's what matters most. (Barack's "Yes We Can" mantra annoys me because it's too passive. I don't want to know what you can do. I want to know what you will do, dammit!)

Hillary is a will-do person not a can-do person.

Back to the foxhole. Can anybody realistically picture Barack fighting to the death? Taking it to the mats? Nope. He'd be the guy holed up in the corner reading his own prose hoping and pontificating about how in a more perfect world it should all end. Problem is that it's not a perfect world.

Queue Obama supporters saying: Barack wouldn't be in the foxhole to begin with; he voted against the war. Answer: reality check folks, like it or not, WE ARE IN THE FOXHOLE. In fact, we are doubly "foxholed" right now: First, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and second, our sinking, dismal economy.

The point? We need the best Commander in Chief to get us out of the foxhole -- not merely complain that we shouldn't be in the foxhole.

I imagine Obama supporters complaining that this sort of tough mentality is too akin to the war-mongering and posturing of George Bush and/or John McCain. My answer? Simple. Women, and more to the point, mothers do not want unnecessary, wanton, or reckless wars. Period. In other words, moms are tough, but we aren't looking for a fight. Imagine that mentality in a president.

To me the descent of Hillary Clinton's campaign has meant that we might never know the real truth behind statements like George Bush's "it's hard work to be the president." And that's a shame. I hope all the women out there reading this who've ever run up against the "male-work-ethic" identify with what I am talking about here.

But our country is a mess. It's going to require a lot of unglamorous, grunt work and perhaps a bit of a bad rap to clean it all up. To me, it sounds like a job for a woman because if there were ever a house that needed cleaning up, it would be our current WH.

As the saying goes: a woman's work is never done. Indeed women are the ones who tirelessly and (and perhaps truly miraculously) clean up the messes, unplug the toilets, nurture the children, and make sure everyone is as happy as can be at day's end. Michelle Obama gets that. I get that. You get that. And perhaps more than any of us, Hillary Clinton gets that.

That's why it isn't that difficult or even ironic to go back to the paragraphs above and see that Hillary and Michelle's names are interchangeable. In many ways, they are one and the same. They are smart, realistic, hard-working, problem-solving, and tough-minded women. They aren't too precious to do the grunt work. They aren't relegated to rhetoric. They are tough in the trenches. They are women. They are moms. They are us. And so why not?

Every woman has some degree of experience with men -- their husbands, boyfriends, fathers, brothers, colleagues, etc. And collectively we all know the truth: women are better. We are better at getting work done. We are better at cleaning up messes. We are tougher and more tireless. We are smart and strategic. And that is why we should all be supporting Hillary because, (sorry boys) now more than ever this one should be for the girls.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2008 05:38 pm
Re: This One's For the Girls
Kristen Breitweiser wrote:
Heck, even standing next to Barack, Michelle makes a more commanding presence by appearing stronger, more engaged, and more aware. In Team Obama, Barack's the cheerleader, while Michelle's the quarterback.

Michelle knows the same simple truth that all women know: when it comes to getting work done and cleaning up messes, women are better than men.

This is part of the reason of why Hillary Clinton is the better candidate in '08. Aside from the fact that she has more experience; she is a woman. It's time we recognize what a strength that is in a Commander in Chief.

Hillary is smarter, more capable, a harder worker, better multi-tasker, and most importantly, tougher than Barack.

Umm.. is this a column or a diary item? Talk about paragraph after paragraph of pure assertion, of "if I just say it's true maybe people will accept that it's true."

The author is welcome to her personal opinion, of course, but if she's not going to even provide any argument, let alone proof, for any of her assertions, what the hell is she doing writing a column?

Michelle appears "stronger, more engaged, and more aware"? Um, OK. I like Michelle too, I think they make a strong couple. But I think Barack looks pretty much equally "strong" and "engaged". Either way this is just eye of the beholder stuff.

Hillary is "smarter, more capable, a harder worker, better multi-tasker, and .. tougher" than Barack? Uh.. if you say so, author. But is there anything specific you actually want to base this on?

I mean, look at the campaign. Obama prepared better, had a longer-term plan, has a more tightly organised campaign. Hillary's campaign has been plagued by infighting between advisors who dont listen to each other and each think they have the One Right Plan; so much for management competence. She's kept on Solis Doyle as major campaign manager even after she wasted millions of campaign money in Hillary's Senate race, and now only fired her after again tens of millions of money was misspent - because she famously values personal loyalty over anything. Hello, GWB management style.

The Hillary campaign had no plan - nothing - for after Super Tuesday. It wrote off caucus states from the start, while Obama people were out there in every state, even the smallest and the reddest, to do the hard grassroots organising. The Hillary campaign banked everything on Texas and Ohio, and apparently only afterwards found out that Texas's electoral system was fiendishly complicated and offered little opportunity for any large delegate lead.

The Hillary campaign has been worse run, less informed, and with less of a presence throughout the primary and caucus states than Obama's, and yet we are to just swallow the assertion that Hillary is "smarter, more capable, a harder worker, [and] better multi-tasker" than Barack? Based on what?

Kristen Breitweiser wrote:
Let's employ the "foxhole rule." Imagine yourself in the heat of war. Bombs dropping everywhere. You're dug in. You've got limited ammo. All hell is breaking loose. Who would you rather have getting your back? Barack or Hillary?

Um - Barack. Any time.

During this campaign, Hillary has stubbornly pursued failed strategies, even in the face of mounting evidence that they werent working, when she should have anticipated the turns in the road. And then when it was too late, she apparently panicked and scuttled from one tactic to another and yet another in the course of one week - all of which ineffectual.

While Obama's chief advisors have been nearly invisible and out there building effective grassroots machines, Hillary's chief strategists have been tumbling over each other in the media, trying out increasingly ludicrous lines of spin. Hillary herself postured a lot as tough cookie, but when things got hard she cast herself in the victim role - it's so hard, and they're all against me.

Judging on the campaign, Hillary simply isnt the strong leader, effective manager and steady hand she claims to be - the very opposite. She's all spin and no beef. In the foxhole itself, maybe she'd be fine - but this is not the kind of leader I'd be happy entrusting my fate with if I were risking my life in that foxhole, and she'd be the general. It's like having GWB as commander.

Kristen Breitweiser wrote:
our country is a mess. It's going to require a lot of unglamorous, grunt work and perhaps a bit of a bad rap to clean it all up. To me, it sounds like a job for a woman because if there were ever a house that needed cleaning up, it would be our current WH.

To me, it sounds like a job for someone who's actually proven that he or she can do that unglamorous, grunt work - successfully. Dunno if that's Obama, but it's obviously not Hillary. Her campaign is the one that has proven itself singularly inept at the "unglamorous, grunt work" part of the deal. At the organising and preparing - in time, quietly, and reliably.

Just like she failed at the "unglamorous, grunt work" of getting the numbers in Congress for "Hillarycare", in the 90s. Due at least in part to the same bunker mentality, lack of foresight, and lack of skill.

This is not someone I'd want to entrust with decisions and projects that have the chance of defining a generation of politics.

Kristen Breitweiser wrote:
As the saying goes: a woman's work is never done. Indeed women are the ones who tirelessly and (and perhaps truly miraculously) clean up the messes, unplug the toilets, nurture the children, and make sure everyone is as happy as can be at day's end. Michelle Obama gets that. I get that. You get that. And perhaps more than any of us, Hillary Clinton gets that.

Except that the last time Hillary actually unplugged a toilet herself must be at least twenty years ago, of course.

What a steaming pile of short-sighted, feather-light, vacuous nonsense.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2008 05:49 pm
real life wrote:
Michigan and Florida, two of the largest states, won't stand still for disenfranchisement.

Blacks and Hispanics, large segments in those respective states, will have an interesting view of the party leadership's disdain for their opinion and their right to vote.

It seems like rank-and-file Democrats inj Florida are actually a lot more nuanced about the "disenfranchisement" than the state's party officials and Hillary's campaign flacks would like to make it seem.

Crosspost from Polls etc thread:

Floridian Democrats are apparently much more nuanced in their opinion about the whole primaries and convention seating clusterf*ck than either the Hillary campaign or the media would have you believe.

Quote:
Floridian Democrats also weighed in on whether and/or how their delegation should be seated at the national convention -- 28% said the state party should hold another Democratic primary or caucus; 24% believe the delegation should be seated, according to the Jan. 29th primary; 15% say "the Florida Democratic Party knowingly violated the national party rules, so it should accept the penalty"; 13% favor a delegation that is split evenly between Clinton and Obama; and 20% say they aren't sure.

Source (MSNBC)

That's just 24% agreeing with the Hillary line that anything short of seating Florida delegates on the basis of the primary results is some kind of disenfranchisement, and a total of 56% agreeing that the Jan. 29 primary results can not be used as basis for delegate seating.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2008 06:14 pm
Stray Cat wrote:
Quote:
While Hillary often comes across a bit shrill, Obama is always cool and collected.


As one of my favorite radio jocks said the other day, whenever Hillary raises her voice, she comes off sounding like a woman yelling at her husband.


I love that jock! Whenever I hear him do that sharp guffaw, it comes off sounding like a man's fist hitting the side of a woman's head.
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Stray Cat
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2008 11:34 pm
Question Question

What's up with you, man? Your post seems to be dripping in sarcasm.
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Stray Cat
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 12:18 am
Hey blatham! Come out, come out, wherever you are!

Olly olly oxen free!
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 04:14 am
http://www.latimes.com/business/printedition/la-na-jinnah29feb29,0,6901159.story


Clinton, Boxer donor pleads guilty

Abdul Rehman Jinnah admits he used straw donors to contribute at least $53,000 to the Democratic senators.

From a Times Staff Writer
February 29, 2008


Southern California businessman Abdul Rehman Jinnah pleaded guilty this week in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles to directing illegal campaign contributions to Democratic Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Barbara Boxer of California.

Jinnah is scheduled to be sentenced in June. He could face more than a year in prison for reimbursing employees and associates for political donations made in their names.

Jinnah admitted Monday that he used straw donors to contribute at least $53,000 to Clinton's political action committee, HillPac, and Boxer's 2004 reelection campaign.

He was indicted in May 2006 but fled the country soon after for his native Pakistan. He returned to face the charges a year later and has been under house arrest.
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Stray Cat
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 08:26 am
Well, it looks like Blatham was too much of a damn pussy to come back on here and explain his last cryptic, b.s. post.

So let's see if we can make some sense of his non-sequitur:

Quote:
I love that jock! Whenever I hear him do that sharp guffaw, it comes off sounding like a man's fist hitting the side of a woman's head.


Hmm.... As near as I can tell, Blatham seems to be implying - however lamely - that the jock I referred to was making some sort of sexist comment.

As a woman, I'm sensitive to sexist comments that are demeaning to women. But it was obvious to me that this particular jock wasn't slamming all women - he was critcizing one particular woman (Hillary) for her tendency to sound shrill, punitive and even condescending towards her audience whenever she happens to get carried away. It's definitely something she needs to work on.

I think even blatham would have to agree that any candidate's ability to communicate effectively (or lack thereof) is going to strongly impact on their overall success (or lack thereof).

That was the point the broadcaster was making - albeit with some humor (something else that's apparently lost on the humorless blatham. He seems to take everything - especially himself - way to seriously).

But blatham decided to compare this comment to "a man slamming his fist into a woman's head." WTF??? I guess this is his idea of a witty, cutting bon mot. I thought it was disgusting and in remarkably bad taste.

Speaking of communicating, you'd think that a grown man would be capable of just saying what he thinks -- instead of resorting to these stupid, sarcastic little asides. Seriously, blatham, they aren't anywhere near as clever as you think.

In fact, I don't think you're witty or wise or even particularly intelligent. I think you're a pompous, smug, condescending f*ckwit.

Just because you're a retired guy who can sit around and read three or four newspapers, then regurgitate everything you've read onto these forums, it doesn't make you Walter F*ucking Cronkite, ok? So you can drop the puking superior attitude.

Oh, and one more thing. Your username sounds like a combination of the words "bladder" and "blithering" - both highly appropriate in your case. If there was ever a blithering bladder, it would have to be you.

See? It's not so hard to say what you think.

(apologies to Butrflynet for going off topic)
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 08:33 am
His comment came across as an OJ joke.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 09:55 am
Straycat,

It has only been eight hours since you asked him to 'splain himself. Perhaps he took advantage of the night and is sleeping.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 10:02 am
Butrflynet wrote:
Straycat,

It has only been eight hours since you asked him to 'splain himself. Perhaps he took advantage of the night and is sleeping.


It would look that way.

Zero posts between 10:06 pm CST on Saturday until 9:35 am CST on Sunday.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 05:29 pm
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Hillary's Flacks Are Driving Me Insane

TNR The Plank
26.02.2008

In a group I sang with in college, we had a catchphrase: "Walk off the stage." It could be a protest -- "If you make me beatbox on 'Shadowland' from The Lion King one more time, I'll walk off the stage" -- but also a demand that a singer recognize he is messing up so much he's ruining the show. Making a mistake when you're performing both makes you nervous and gets everybody looking at you, so disruptions often compound themselves -- first a sour note, then a missed entrance, then an attack of the hiccups, until the hiss comes from nearby, walk off the stage!

Reading today's tragic Dana Milbank send-up of a reporters' sit-down with Clinton advisers, the phrase kept running through my head. We have this cheerfully deluded quote from Harold Ickes: "We're on the way to locking this nomination down." We have this ripe-for-mocking line from Phil Singer:

    He went on to chide the journalists for their "woefully inadequate" coverage of Obama, "a point that has been certainly backed up by the Saturday Night Live skit that opened the show this past Saturday evening, which I would refer you all to."
Why ... can't ... Clinton's flacks ... just walk off the stage?? I'm not saying they should quit; some of them are probably giving Hillary good advice behind the scenes, and obviously the press aides have to give the occasional quote. But do they have to be so public? Do they have to, daily, float so many different arguments for Hillary's continued viability that so often insult reporters' intelligence?

Now, maybe it's not their fault -- maybe the press has just gotten to a point where they simply can't take a line uttered by Penn or Ickes seriously. The "walk off the stage" axiom still applies. Did the Clinton flacks really think, after reading all the ridicule heaped on their appearances in the media, that a breakfast with Dana Milbank, of all people, could possibly do them any good at this point? Plankers have pointed out disastrous HRC flack appearances here and here and here and here and here. I actually like Hillary, but I feel like all I read about anymore are her damned advisers. For the love of God, walk off the stage!

--Eve Fairbanks
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 06:41 pm
Balanced report on the Latino vote in Texas. Here, Hillary is the rockstar. But not everyone is won over.

Quote:
LETTER FROM HILLARYLAND
How Deep In the Hearts of Texas?


Clinton's chances may come down to Latino support in the Lone Star State.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2008 09:14 am
THEN:

Bill Clinton, Wednesday 20 February:

Quote:
"If she wins Texas and Ohio I think she will be the nominee. If you don't deliver for her, I don't think she can be. It's all on you."


Hillary adviser James Carville, Wednesday 13 February:

Quote:
"Make no mistake. If she loses either Texas or Ohio, this thing is done."


NOW:

Quote:
Mrs. Clinton herself has privately told advisers that she has a hard time imagining ending her campaign if she wins Ohio and narrowly loses Texas, given that she has money in the bank and that she believes she would have an edge in the next big vote, Pennsylvania on April 22, because its demographics are similar to Ohio's.

link
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2008 09:27 am
Nope. She'll drop out if she doesn't decisively win tomorrow. The math just isn't there, unless she can start closing that gap of pledged delegates NOW.

If Obama gains delegates overall tomorrow, hard to see her continuing.

Cycloptichorn
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2008 09:33 am
Stray Cat wrote:
Well, it looks like Blatham was too much of a damn pussy to come back on here and explain his last cryptic, b.s. post.

So let's see if we can make some sense of his non-sequitur:

Quote:
I love that jock! Whenever I hear him do that sharp guffaw, it comes off sounding like a man's fist hitting the side of a woman's head.


Hmm.... As near as I can tell, Blatham seems to be implying - however lamely - that the jock I referred to was making some sort of sexist comment.

As a woman, I'm sensitive to sexist comments that are demeaning to women. But it was obvious to me that this particular jock wasn't slamming all women - he was critcizing one particular woman (Hillary) for her tendency to sound shrill, punitive and even condescending towards her audience whenever she happens to get carried away. It's definitely something she needs to work on.

I think even blatham would have to agree that any candidate's ability to communicate effectively (or lack thereof) is going to strongly impact on their overall success (or lack thereof).

That was the point the broadcaster was making - albeit with some humor (something else that's apparently lost on the humorless blatham. He seems to take everything - especially himself - way to seriously).

But blatham decided to compare this comment to "a man slamming his fist into a woman's head." WTF??? I guess this is his idea of a witty, cutting bon mot. I thought it was disgusting and in remarkably bad taste.

Speaking of communicating, you'd think that a grown man would be capable of just saying what he thinks -- instead of resorting to these stupid, sarcastic little asides. Seriously, blatham, they aren't anywhere near as clever as you think.

In fact, I don't think you're witty or wise or even particularly intelligent. I think you're a pompous, smug, condescending f*ckwit.

Just because you're a retired guy who can sit around and read three or four newspapers, then regurgitate everything you've read onto these forums, it doesn't make you Walter F*ucking Cronkite, ok? So you can drop the puking superior attitude.

Oh, and one more thing. Your username sounds like a combination of the words "bladder" and "blithering" - both highly appropriate in your case. If there was ever a blithering bladder, it would have to be you.

See? It's not so hard to say what you think.

(apologies to Butrflynet for going off topic)


Sorry for the delay in responding to your series of posts but, as you can surely understand, they engendered in me a serious level of emotional damage and it's taken this long to glue myself back together. Still, I don't think I'll ever be quite the same man again.

Of course, a candidate's ability to communicate is critical. But what do you mean by "communicate" in this context? You are not referring to an ability to clearly or adequately explain some policy issue (and certainly not to grasp of issue or competency). You are talking about some element or elements of presentation of self. Further, your jock and you are talking about (criticizing, actually) Clinton for a presentation of self which fails because it is guilty of matching certain negative gender stereotypes... the shrewish, bitchy, hysterical-when-stressed (and too easily stressed) wife...she gets, in your words, "carried away" (on waves of uterine-sourced turmoil, I guess).

These things can operate at a subtle level, often below our consciousness. Perhaps you've followed or caught wind of the recent crow-eating by Chris Matthews for his consistent and near-ubiquitous sexism. The fellow had little clue, if any, regarding what he has been doing.

American political discourse, even now, is replete with this sexist undercurrent. Edwards is suspect (that is, rightwing PR techniques suggest that Edwards should be suspect) because of his hair... it's too fancy, therefore he's too effeminate, therefore he's not emotionally stolid enough to be counted on when the manly chips are down. This is a staple of conservative PR and smear. Go back and look at the 'criticisms' of Nancy Pelosi before the last election and mark off the sexist allusions. Your yellow highlighter will soon run dry. Hillary, quite outside of any other disagreements with her folks might have, has been the victim of this campaign from the right for nearly two decades and that campaign has been abetted by a media steeped in an acculturated sexist language and frames of reference.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2008 09:35 am
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2008 09:50 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Nope. She'll drop out if she doesn't decisively win tomorrow. The math just isn't there, unless she can start closing that gap of pledged delegates NOW.

If Obama gains delegates overall tomorrow, hard to see her continuing.

Cycloptichorn


That's my guess too. Though I sure not going to claim much certainty on it.

One of the aspects here which I don't have anything like a clear conception regarding is the sense of obligation a candidate might feel (or be encouraged to feel) after he/she has received so many millions of dollars. Another argument, if we needed one, for public financing of elections.

The other component, wishing to keep going because so many people have invested so much time and heart in your campaign, that's not difficult to understand at all.
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