Hillary Clinton for President - 2008

Ted Kennedy endorses Obama and look what happens to him. If I were a D-superdelegate, I'd probably back Clinton too, just in case the rumors are true.

cjhsa wrote:

Ted Kennedy endorses Obama and look what happens to him. If I were a D-superdelegate, I'd probably back Clinton too, just in case the rumors are true.

try not to be THAT much of an ass

Now, I know that Senator Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot in Michigan, and that was his right. But his choice does not negate the votes of all those who turned out to cast their ballots, and we should not let our process rob them and all of you of your voices. To do so would undermine the very purpose of the nominating process. To ensure that as many Democrats as possible can cast their votes. To ensure that the party selects a nominee who truly represents the will of the voters and to ensure that the Democrats take back the White House to rebuild America.

Now, I've heard some say that counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules.

I say that not counting Florida and Michigan is changing a central governing rule of this country - that whenever we can understand the clear intent of the voters, their votes should be counted. I remember very well back in 2000, there were those who argued that people's votes should be discounted over technicalities. For the people of Florida who voted in this primary, the notion of discounting their votes sounds way too much of the same.

She agreed that Michigan and Florida should be punished for moving up their primaries.* Obama took his name off the ballot in deference to their agreement and the rules of the party. That he should now be punished for playing by the rules and she should be rewarded for skirting them is unconscionable.

Not only that, but yes.

I think he also saw it as an opportunity to portray himself as a good guy (along with Edwards, who also did it) and contrast with Hillary Clinton's say-anything-and-do-anything-to-win, politics-as-usual, cynical aspects. (Why didn't she take her name off the ballot?)

She said "there's a reason why so many have fought so hard and sacrificed so much. It's because they knew that to be a citizen of this country is to have the right and responsibility to help shape its future. Not just to have your voice heard but to have it count. People have fought hard because they knew their vote was at stake and so was their children's futures.



Those people, she said "refused to accept their assigned place as second-class citizens. Men and women who saw America not as it was, but as it could and should be, and committed themselves to extending the frontiers of our democracy. The abolitionists and all who fought to end slavery and ensure freedom came with the full right of citizenship. The tenacious women and a few brave men who gathered at the Seneca Falls convention back in 1848 to demand the right to vote."

SUNRISE, FLA. -- Desperate to get attention for her cause to seat Florida and Michigan delegates, Hillary Clinton compared the plight of Zimbabweans in their recent fraudulent election to the uncounted votes of Michigan and Florida voters saying it is wrong when "people go through the motions of an election only to have them discarded and disregarded."

"We're seeing that right now in Zimbabwe," Clinton explained. "Tragically, an election was held, the president lost, they refused to abide by the will of the people," Clinton told the crowd of senior citizens at a retirement community in south Florida.

The 'Not Clinton' Excuse

Washington Post
Thursday, May 22, 2008

That serenity is not yet shared by women who identify with Mrs. Clinton. Whoopi Goldberg asked her co-hosts on "The View" how they would describe Mrs. Clinton's historic battle for the Democratic nomination.

"A man took it away from a woman," Joy Behar replied. "Then they yelled at her for complaining about it."

Paterson says Clinton's going too far

NY Daily News
May 23rd 2008

Gov. Paterson, a top Hillary Clinton supporter, sailed wildly off-message Thursday - suggesting her push to count Florida and Michigan were a mark of "desperation."

"I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of a woman I still support and will support until she makes a different determination," Paterson said when asked about Clinton during an interview on WAMC-FM radio. "Candidates have to be cautious in their zeal to win, that they don't trample on the process."

Paterson, a Democratic National Committee member and Clinton superdelegate, was at the DNC meeting last year when Florida and Michigan were stripped of delegates for jumping the party-approved primary start-date of Feb. 5. He recalled, "Nobody was screaming [then]."

For Clinton to try now to count Michigan - where Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot - makes no sense, said Paterson, nor does her assertion that denying delegates convention seats today is akin to disenfranchising blacks or others, as Clinton has suggested, he added.

"You have to assume she won 100% to nothing in Michigan," said Paterson. "I don't think anybody in their right mind would do that, nor would they see it as a civil rights issue."

Paterson's comments come at a particularly critical time for Clinton, who is struggling to convince her own party - which her husband as President once led - that it should change the rules midcampaign and seat the Florida and Michigan delegations. The DNC rules committee is due to decide the matter next week. [..]

Billary will say and do ANYTHING. How people of good conscience can support them is beyond me.

snood wrote:

Billary will say and do ANYTHING. How people of good conscience can support them is beyond me.

Funny, some of us have been saying this for years.

Were you agreeing with us back then?