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Hillary Clinton for President - 2008

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2008 03:09 pm
http://store.hillarystore.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/HRC-2e.jpg

"Exclusive to www.Hillarystore.com; an original Hillary Clinton print."
(link)
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2008 03:13 pm
I'm a big Hillary fan and all but.... snort...
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2008 03:26 pm


I have no doubt about the truth of this story; I spent enough time reading blog posts and user comments on sites like Shakesville to know that the people interviewed in this report are representative of a fairly sizable chunk of Clinton voters.

But it leaves me as baffled as ever. My reaction remains a wide-eyed, "but that doesnt make any sense".

I'm not talking about the rudeness and even abuse these Hillary supporters have suffered - that's just indefensible. I'd be angry about that too. It's the other stuff I'm talking about.

Some choice quotes:


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In Washington state, Obama beat Clinton 2-to-1 in the February precinct caucuses, and Clinton supporters complained they weren't treated fairly by the large pro-Obama turnout.


What's that even mean? It was not fair of the Obama supporters to turn out in such large numbers?


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Nobu Sanusi, 28, a high-school teacher in Kirkland and a staunch Clinton advocate, says she and fellow Clinton supporters have felt disheartened and betrayed by women who did not back Clinton.

"What's really sad is she's not really getting the female vote. I don't understand why women don't support women. I think that's really upsetting," she said.


What about, those women just didn't think that this woman was the best for the job? Not just a little less qualified than the guy in the race, in which case you could balance out the value of having a first woman president against a slight deficit in electability or likeliness or rightness fo the job; but weak, flawed, clearly the worse choice? There's plenty of liberal women who feel that way about Hillary. How's it a betrayal for them to not vote for her regardless?

Here's someone who brings the weird personal enmeshment of some of Hillary's supporters with their candidate to a point:


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De Rubens, 35, who worked at Microsoft for a decade, said she's found that many members of her Hillraisers groups have "related to [Clinton] on a deeply personal level, as mothers, and as women who have worked in a male-dominated fields."

She compares Obama's quick ascendancy in the national Democratic Party with some young men's quick ascendancy in the corporate world, while "women are not getting promoted, but doing all the work."

"Somewhere along the way, her [Clinton's] success became our success. I have adopted her in my gut. Before this campaign started, I wouldn't have seen that as a woman's issue, but now I do," she said. "When something happens to her that seems unfair, I feel it like it happened to me."


I mean, and they accuse "Obamatons" of being cult-like? You got a lot of people who idolise the guy to weird lengths, but I havent seen any Obama supporter say something like, "I have adopted him in my gut. When something happens to him that seems unfair, I feel it like it happened to me." Doesn't that raise a red flag for her, make her realise that this is, you know, a little weird?

I mean, any consideration of, you know, politics - the candidate's policies, proposals, track record, political skills, electability, seem to have just disappeared at this point. Hillary is her, she is Hillary, the identification is complete.

And so any perceived slight of Hillary is also taken as nothing less than a personal insult to them, rather than as a matter of political disagreement:


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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2008 03:31 pm
Nimh, I've been making that very point for months.

It is maddening, because it is so nonsensical, that you cannot argue with these folks. Hillary (not so much here) has a few hundred or thousand supporters online who will. not. compromise. on a candidate in any way, who take everything mega-personally, who see sexism everywhere and use it like a cudgel, who are trying to hold the party hostage to their whims.

It's like dealing with children, teenagers really, who haven't gotten what they want and have decided to have the world's largest snit over it.

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2008 04:16 pm
Yep, good post nimh.

It's probably easier for me to argue with these people because I'm a card-carrying feminist and, ya know, female. I've gotten in a few arguments that featured me saying "but that doesn't even make sense..." quite a bit. (And have frequently been supported by other feminists -- this definitely isn't some general female/ feminist issue. Just a subset of Hillary supporters, for whatever combination of reasons.)

After NARAL endorsed, I got an email from an Obama person saying uh, how about if we go say nice things to them since a lot of Hillary supporters aren't too happy, and a link to the NARAL blog announcement -- OH MY GOODNESS. The things these people were saying...!

Note, I'm sure there are lots of crazy Obama fans too. I don't want to make any general claims. But a lot of this "feminist" stuff gets my back up. Mostly because I think it amounts to anti-feminism, at least in my definition.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2008 05:10 pm
I met NARAL leader Nancy Keenan last month at a NARAL fundraiser,
and she seemed surprised when I told her of my support of Obama.
I was under the impression that a lot of NARAL members attending
were pro Hillary. Of course I was more than delighted to hear of their
support towards Obama.

Indeed a good post, nimh.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2008 05:38 pm
The KY results are starting to come in, and as of right now (6:35 pm central time) the results show Hillary with 54%, Obama with 43%, and Edwards with 2%.
That is with 34% reporting.

It looks like Hillary is going to win KY easily.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2008 06:04 pm
mysteryman, wowie. Huge news.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2008 06:27 pm
right now its Hillary 65%, Obama 31%
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2008 08:21 pm
nimh wrote:
http://store.hillarystore.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/HRC-2e.jpg

"Exclusive to www.Hillarystore.com; an original Hillary Clinton print."
(link)


Now that's cool, and better than the stylistic leftist silk screens of Obama.

The Obama images require one to harken back to another age which has to be lost on anyone younger than 40 years of age.

This one speaks to everyone viewing it.

Hillary looking to the West while rays of sunshine emminate from her profile! And she is wearing the ultra modern turtle neck garb with slicked back hair.

Outstanding!

Who came up with this image? Whomever it is he or she is a name to watch for in the future. Brilliance beyond the retro stylism of the Obama graphics master.

Where was this image months ago?

Gosh, it almost makes me want to vote for Hillary.

(But not quite)
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Tue 20 May, 2008 10:25 pm
Finn does well typing with one hand. When was the last time you were with a human?
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 21 May, 2008 05:27 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Now that's cool, and better than the stylistic leftist silk screens of Obama.

The Obama images require one to harken back to another age which has to be lost on anyone younger than 40 years of age.

This one speaks to everyone viewing it.

Hillary looking to the West while rays of sunshine emminate from her profile! And she is wearing the ultra modern turtle neck garb with slicked back hair.

Outstanding!


I cant quite tell whether you're serious or taking the piss! Laughing

I'm not a fan of the Che-style Obama poster, but I see this as the same type, but less well executed. The whole image looks very Maoist to me, and then with that weird turtle neck sweater thrown in that I associate more with serious Sartre followers it all just looks very, very odd. Talk about retro - this is like garbled up retro. Mao on LSD, maybe. I think it would just freak people out if more would see it, to be honest.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 21 May, 2008 06:51 am
I saw the gutsy broad's Kentucky speech last night.

First rate. A girl in a million.

I've sold my bet on Mr McCain. If you elect him you have really lost the plot. No wonder I got six to one.

The GB will piss all over him. His best chance is against the louche weaver of the winds.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 21 May, 2008 06:56 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
Finn does well typing with one hand. When was the last time you were with a human?


is that as in someone who is not a surgically modified anomaly?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 21 May, 2008 07:01 am
I don't like her and I certainly don't want her to be president, but I
do think Hillary can defeat Obama and that would be a huge victory.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 21 May, 2008 07:06 am
Why do you think that, H2O_Man?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 21 May, 2008 07:08 am
Hillary 2008 is $31M in debt.

Guess who will get to pay that?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 21 May, 2008 07:14 am
cjhsa wrote:
Hillary 2008 is $31M in debt.

Guess who will get to pay that?


her next book and the forthcoming lecture circuit will make that look like chump change...I wouldn't worry too much about the Clintons....
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 21 May, 2008 07:16 am
sozobe wrote:
Why do you think that, H2O_Man?


It's a gut feeling.

I think that her not quiting will inspire democrats and the super delegates to side with her.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 21 May, 2008 07:20 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Why do you think that, H2O_Man?


It's a gut feeling.

I think that her not quiting will inspire democrats and the super delegates to side with her.


well.. it should... if tenacity and a stiff spine are desirable in a leader.... well... Obama has stood up to a couple of little squalls and MAY have what it takes to weather a storm... but Hillary is a PROVEN entity in that department and yes I realize bush has tenacity....and that hasn't worked out too well... but who knows if he has a stiff spine? He's always had everything tit fed to him....
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