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Hillary Clinton for President - 2008

 
 
snood
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2008 10:44 am
And I still think Obama has scruples enough that he won't say just anything to get elected.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2008 10:49 am
rabel22 wrote:
Lets refine the Billery statement. Politicians will say anything to get elected. Obama is a politician therefore he will say anything to get elected just as Bush did.


You are wrong. It is true that over the last generation many of the politicians have been hacks who will say and do anything to get ahead, but even today there are good people of principle in public service. As a citizen it is your job to tell the good guys from the bad guys, and to reward the good guys with your vote. Your "piss on them all" approach is you cutting your own throat, you need good public servants as much as I do. Wake-up, grow-up, and do your job as a citizen.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2008 05:42 pm
I've got a juxtaposition for y'all.

CNN, Today:

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Bill Clinton: 'Cover up' hiding Hillary Clinton's chances

Former President Bill Clinton said that Democrats were more likely to lose in November if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee, and suggested some were trying to "push and pressure and bully" superdelegates to make up their minds prematurely.

"I can't believe it. It is just frantic the way they are trying to push and pressure and bully all these superdelegates to come out," Clinton said at a South Dakota campaign stop Sunday, in remarks first reported by ABC News.

Clinton also suggested some were trying to "cover up" Sen. Clinton's chances of winning in key states that Democrats will have to win in the general election. "'Oh, this is so terrible: The people they want her. Oh, this is so terrible: She is winning the general election, and he is not. Oh my goodness, we have to cover this up.' "

Clinton did not expound on who he was accusing.


LA Times, 12 April:

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Why Gov. Bill Richardson didn't endorse Clinton

He retreated to New Mexico and the governor's adobe mansion. He sulked a bit, grew a beard, rode his quarter horse and tended to state business [..]. But slowly he reengaged, watching the debates and fielding calls from Clinton, Obama and their surrogates.

Their manner of courtship -- one wooing, the other arm-twisting -- seemed to reflect the candidates' different personalities and campaign styles, he said.

Obama preferred the soft sell, calling Richardson every three days or so -- "dialing the phone himself, no operator" -- for long discussions about policy and campaign issues. The two developed a bantering relationship, building on the camaraderie they shared off-camera during debates, when they would roll their eyes at some of their rivals' statements.

Clinton was more persistent and tactical. There were eight or more phone calls a day, Richardson said: "Bill calling, Hillary calling, friends of mine that were in the Clinton administration, Clinton operatives, Clinton Hispanic operatives, New Mexico Clinton Hispanic operatives."

Some callers, who suggested Richardson had an obligation to back Clinton, did more harm than good. "I think the Clintons have a feeling of entitlement . . . that the presidency was theirs," Richardson said, and the persistent lobbying from "Washington establishment types" convinced him of a need for some fresher faces on the scene. [..]

Richardson called Sen. Clinton a few hours before his endorsement of the Illinois senator was announced. [..] The two have not spoken since. Nor has he heard from Bill Clinton, who told people he was upset that Richardson did not call him as well. [..]

The response from the Clinton camp -- "the ferocity, the intensity" -- has surprised him, Richardson said, though he knew he risked fracturing his relationship with the couple. His wife, Barbara, had warned him, he said: Richardson moved his hands apart, as if to signify a break.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2008 06:04 pm
Bill Clinton seems to have a brain problem. He was always a slime ball but he was once a smart slime ball. Is he drugged up? Has he has a stroke and lost much of his brain function? Some mental health issues for which he is not being treated? Can we find this man a doctor please?
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rabel22
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2008 08:14 pm
At least I think for myself. I don't run to Obamas spin sites and shout amen after every thing he says. If I don't trust any politicians I have reason learned by the experience of my seventy years of hearing them promise me the moon until they get elected and then shouting screw you, Im elected and I will do as I please.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2008 09:00 pm
snood wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
snood wrote:
Billary will say and do ANYTHING. How people of good conscience can support them is beyond me.


Funny, some of us have been saying this for years.

Were you agreeing with us back then?


I thought slick willy did some good stuff for jobs and the economy. I liked him better than the alternative. I never thought he was someone I'd leave a teenaged daughter alone with, and I always thought they were egocentric above all else - both of them.

But no, I didn't spend any time caterwauling about how bad the Clintons were back then. You gotta admit its a little different - the circumstances now and then.


No, I'm afraid I don't see the difference except that it is now your ox being gored, and you doing the caterwauling.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2008 09:07 pm
rabel22 wrote:
At least I think for myself. I don't run to Obamas spin sites and shout amen after every thing he says. If I don't trust any politicians I have reason learned by the experience of my seventy years of hearing them promise me the moon until they get elected and then shouting screw you, Im elected and I will do as I please.


Whether it's because they never intended to in the first place or because once they are elected they realize how ridiculous they were, but very few candidates (if any) make good on all the promises they make to get elected.

Nothing wrong with having a healthy skepticism about them - particularly presidential candidates.

There's really no way to know if Obama would say anything to get elected. What can he say that might possibly get him elected, but which out of principle he refuses to go along with?

McCain, on the other hand, might, arguably, improve his chances for election if he endorsed a pull out of troops from Iraq - perhaps not as quickly as his Demcratic opponents suggest, but with some end point certain. Of course, he won't say that.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2008 09:08 pm
"No, I'm afraid I don't see the difference except that it is now your ox being gored, and you doing the caterwauling." Is that a quote from Ian Paisley?
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2008 09:55 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
snood wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
snood wrote:
Billary will say and do ANYTHING. How people of good conscience can support them is beyond me.


Funny, some of us have been saying this for years.

Were you agreeing with us back then?


I thought slick willy did some good stuff for jobs and the economy. I liked him better than the alternative. I never thought he was someone I'd leave a teenaged daughter alone with, and I always thought they were egocentric above all else - both of them.

But no, I didn't spend any time caterwauling about how bad the Clintons were back then. You gotta admit its a little different - the circumstances now and then.


No, I'm afraid I don't see the difference except that it is now your ox being gored, and you doing the caterwauling.


Well then I'll spell it out for you - since Clinton was all I had at the time, I wasn't going to be joining those throwing stones at him. I had doubts about his character now and then, but now I feel like I can afford to be critical of the clintons since they are not my candidates.

And if you find that explanation still hasn't satisfied you, may I respectfully suggest you go somewhere and f*ck yourself.
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rabel22
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2008 11:15 pm
That is a contradiction of terms. How can you respectfully tell someone to go screw themselves. Leave off the respect word and it makes sense.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 04:16 am
irony and sarcasm my boringly literal friend.
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rabel22
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 09:54 am
irony and sarcasm my "boringly" literal friend. This would have been a better reply without the demeaning attempt to put me down. Something you and Roxxanne have in common.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 11:22 am
rabel22 wrote:
irony and sarcasm my "boringly" literal friend. This would have been a better reply without the demeaning attempt to put me down. Something you and Roxxanne have in common.


Your comments and critique are acknowledged.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 05:16 pm
snood wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
snood wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
snood wrote:
Billary will say and do ANYTHING. How people of good conscience can support them is beyond me.


Funny, some of us have been saying this for years.

Were you agreeing with us back then?


I thought slick willy did some good stuff for jobs and the economy. I liked him better than the alternative. I never thought he was someone I'd leave a teenaged daughter alone with, and I always thought they were egocentric above all else - both of them.

But no, I didn't spend any time caterwauling about how bad the Clintons were back then. You gotta admit its a little different - the circumstances now and then.


No, I'm afraid I don't see the difference except that it is now your ox being gored, and you doing the caterwauling.


Well then I'll spell it out for you - since Clinton was all I had at the time, I wasn't going to be joining those throwing stones at him. I had doubts about his character now and then, but now I feel like I can afford to be critical of the clintons since they are not my candidates.

And if you find that explanation still hasn't satisfied you, may I respectfully suggest you go somewhere and f*ck yourself.


Hey Bud,you posed the question, and I answered it.

If you can't tolerate the answer follow your own suggestion.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2008 07:46 pm
I posed no question - you just enjoy seeing what you write so much that you didn't notice that.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2008 11:10 am
snood wrote:
I posed no question - you just enjoy seeing what you write so much that you didn't notice that.


"You gotta admit its a little different - the circumstances now and then."

Technically, not a question I suppose but certainly an invitation to a response.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2008 12:38 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
snood wrote:
I posed no question - you just enjoy seeing what you write so much that you didn't notice that.


"You gotta admit its a little different - the circumstances now and then."

Technically, not a question I suppose but certainly an invitation to a response.


granted
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2008 01:34 pm
Clinton Letter to Superdelegates
Hillary Clinton

(Note: the following is the text of a letter sent by Hillary Clinton yesterday to all Democratic super delegates.)

Dear ___________,

The stakes in this election are so high: with two wars abroad, our economy in crisis here at home, and so many families struggling across America, the need for new leadership has never been greater.

At this point, we do not yet have a nominee - and when the last votes are cast on June 3, neither Senator Obama nor I will have secured the nomination. It will be up to automatic delegates like you to help choose our party's nominee, and I would like to tell you why I believe I am the stronger candidate against Senator McCain and would be the best President and Commander in Chief.

Voters in every state have made it clear that they want to be heard and counted as part of this historic race. And as we reach the end of the primary season, more than 17 million people have supported me in my effort to become the Democratic nominee - more people than have ever voted for a potential nominee in the history of our party. In the past two weeks alone, record numbers of voters participated in the West Virginia and Kentucky primaries. And with 40 and 35 point margins of victory, it is clear that even when voters are repeatedly told this race is over, they're not giving up on me - and I am not giving up on them either.

After seven years of feeling invisible to the Bush administration, Americans are seeking a President who is strong, experienced, and ready to take on our toughest challenges, from serving as Commander in Chief and ending the war in Iraq to turning our economy around. They want a President who shares their core beliefs about our country and its future and "gets" what they go through every day to care for their families, pay the bills and try to put something away for the future.

We simply cannot afford another four - or eight - years in the wilderness. That is why, everywhere I go, people come up to me, grip my hand or arm, and urge me to keep on running. That is why I continue in this race: because I believe I am best prepared to lead this country as President - and best prepared to put together a broad coalition of voters to break the lock Republicans have had on the electoral map and beat Senator McCain in November.

Recent polls and election results show a clear trend: I am ahead in states that have been critical to victory in the past two elections. From Ohio, to Pennsylvania, to West Virginia and beyond, the results of recent primaries in battleground states show that I have strong support from the regions and demographics Democrats need to take back the White House. I am also currently ahead of Senator McCain in Gallup national tracking polls, while Senator Obama is behind him. And nearly all independent analyses show that I am in a stronger position to win the Electoral College, primarily because I lead Senator McCain in Florida and Ohio. I've enclosed a detailed analysis of recent electoral and polling information, and I hope you will take some time to review it carefully.

In addition, when the primaries are finished, I expect to lead in the popular vote and in delegates earned through primaries. Ultimately, the point of our primary process is to pick our strongest nominee - the one who would be the best President and Commander in Chief, who has the greatest support from members of our party, and who is most likely to win in November. So I hope you will consider not just the strength of the coalition backing me, but also that more people will have cast their votes for me.

I am in this race for them -- for all the men and women I meet who wake up every day and work hard to make a difference for their families. People who deserve a shot at the American dream - the chance to save for college, a home and retirement; to afford quality health care for their families; to fill the gas tank and buy the groceries with a little left over each month.

I am in this race for all the women in their nineties who've told me they were born before women could vote, and they want to live to see a woman in the White House. For all the women who are energized for the first time, and voting for the first time. For the little girls - and little boys - whose parents lift them onto their shoulders at our rallies, and whisper in their ears, "See, you can be anything you want to be." As the first woman ever to be in this position, I believe I have a responsibility to them.

Finally, I am in this race because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party. I believe that if Senator Obama and I both make our case - and all Democrats have the chance to make their voices heard - everyone will be more likely to rally around the nominee.

In the end, I am committed to unifying this party. What Senator Obama and I share is so much greater than our differences; and no matter who wins this nomination, I will do everything I can to bring us together and move us forward.

But at this point, neither of us has crossed the finish line. I hope that in the time remaining, you will think hard about which candidate has the best chance to lead our party to victory in November. I hope you will consider the results of the recent primaries and what they tell us about the mindset of voters in the key battleground states. I hope you will think about the broad and winning coalition of voters I have built. And most important, I hope you will think about who is ready to stand on that stage with Senator McCain, fight for the deepest principles of our party, and lead our country forward into this new century.

________________________________________________________

This was my favorite part...
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From Ohio, to Pennsylvania, to West Virginia and beyond
Laughing
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Not a Soccer Mom
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2008 01:41 pm
Hillary's new strategy: No Hillbilly Left Behind.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2008 04:37 pm
McGentrix wrote:
This was my favorite part...
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From Ohio, to Pennsylvania, to West Virginia and beyond
Laughing

Heh. It's not exactly "from coast to coast", is it? :wink:
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