vikorr, i'm saying that emotional maturity does not guarantee smooth sailing on its own either. you can have a perfectly emotionally mature partner, yet there may still be dozens of valid reasons for a breakup.
Of course...people change as they grow...sometimes they grow apart. Sometimes life itself puts obstacles in their paths.
In relation to Hawkeye - I see where he is coming from.
One thing to remember is that those people attracted to this forum are usually from the group that questions life a bit more, and have an intellectual interest in various things (including the forum you are posting on)...so you may not belong to many of the 'generalised' groups that people talk about, and saying "but I'm not that way" doesn't make it true for the rest of the 'general' population.
If you reread the list of 'crying's that I said, in my opinion, would cause a problem, and which crying wouldn't cause a problem - you will find the only two I stated outright would cause a problem were the breakup, and the woman upsetting you....that pretty much is in line with Hawkeye's thing about a woman 'causing' a guy emotional pain, and him crying (though I would not have said that it is a problem because it leads to more manipulation...which it may or may not...I would have said the problem is the resulting perception)
The women posting here, don't appear to be the type to cause emotional pain on purpose, or to ignore the guys needs for no reason. On the whole, they seem both assertive and curious...so the situation we are talking about doesn't appear like it would occur all that often.