Schwarzenegger Announces : Running for CA Gov.

Lighten up a little with this Flash about Arnold.

Osso, have you considered propane?

Yes, cjhsa...but I went ahead and put in a very efficient system. I live in a pretty urban part of my small city and didn't want to go with the big tank. My next step is to make sure I have some cold air sources closed off as much as I can - I have bought some thick drapery material, want to do double layers with thin and thick curtains.

(thanks)

One more time, just so's I understand (and this time I didn't bleep out any of the offensive language, so if dirty talk offends, stop now):



A gang-bang.

Of course, what else could you call a gang of gym freaks who "jumped on" a girl and had sex with her?

How proud Arnold is, or was, that he can rape a girl while others watch.

Would you let your mother or daughter or sister or any woman you cared about vote for this ass?

Has anyone asked Maria how she feels about her husband's behavior?

Where is the outrage of Jerry Falwell or Bill Bennett about this?

Only if you are a Republican can you get away with being known as "Governor Gang Bang."

After all, what if Gray Davis bragged that he had participated in a gang-bang?

What if full frontal nude photos of Al Gore showed up on the Internet?

What if accusations and rumors swirled about Cruz Bustamante being a groper and humiliator of women?

We know the answer would be a right-wing lynch mob, with unending attacks and cries of moral unfitness for office.

But we haven't heard a peep of condemnation from the Republican White House Amen-choir-media-shills about Arnold Schwarzenegger's past misdeeds (both distant AND recent), have we?

Does California really need a governor who bragged about his participation in a gang-bang?

I really don't think his candidacy is anything more then a publicity stunt for his latest movie. I find it rather difficult to take him seriously after his performance at the California State Fair.

I'm not taking any of the candidates seriously; they're all wanna-bes. That the people of this state would consider a recall that allows anybody with $3,500 to run is ludicrous.

I was just watching the News and a 28 yr old college student reported he was voting forAhnold because "he has the coolest name" .Where are our raging lefty's when we need them?

You called?

Gold's gym afficionados used to stop in at a cafe I frequented a half a block away. No, I won't cast aspersions on a group, but it was very much show time.

I don't know if the scene described in a quote by pdiddie was in fact rape, might well have been, but it was pretty chilling in any case.

Hoping this too shall pass....


so we can point to this one too and say "told ya so!"


I'm afraid Bumblebee's predictions are probably the closest to what will be the result. The status quo will remain unchanged and the California democrates will have little money left in the coffers to put up much of a battle to forever evict the Bush family from the White House.

Isn't there a harshar way than "eviction?"

Side note: I've spoken with a few women who have participated in gang-bangs. It may tweak your mind to think that women sometimes initiate sex, but in each of their cases they made the event happen with energy and gusto. To them it was a power trip, being able to attract a number of men, and use all of them, at the same time, for her pleasure. If you claim it is degrading, be sure to get that information from the woman involved. A woman deserves that respect.

With the ones I talked with, it was about glorifying how attractive and powerful the woman is. I don't know if that was the case with the "black girl who came out naked", but calling someone a rapist is a pretty serious accusation that should not be made lightly, unless you want such a heinous crime to be treated lightly.

Would you like someone to call you a child molester, loudly in public, with full righteousness and indignation, just because they don't look at your environment and position? Evidence please. What kind of vocabulary and stories would you expect someone to talk about (in 1979's culture, not ours!) when interviewed by a popular and influential moderately-adult magazine? Could you do better than Arnold did?

Bragging and showmanship is what you would expect from any public figure, especially an actor or politician. And Gold's Gym, Venice Beach, southern California -- a gang-bang seems positively boring and tame considering when and where he was breaking into show business. His partying seems pretty light compared to most politicians I've met anyways.

It's amazing how so many people will be taken by image, and not actually look at policies and issues. It's destructive to our politics, because such a mind-set encourages public servants to work more on their image than the substance of their policies.

Ahnold is number 58 on the ballot.

Schwarzenegger Got Tribal, Union Funds for Prop. 49
Schwarzenegger Got Tribal, Union Funds for Prop. 49
Some see inconsistency in his current position, which shuns such help. An aide cites differences.
By Dan Morain - Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 6, 2003

SACRAMENTO -- In his campaign for governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger has labeled unions and Indian tribes that operate casinos as "special interests" and rejected their campaign money.

But last year, as Schwarzenegger was raising money for a ballot initiative he was promoting, he accepted $530,000 from the California Teachers Assn., one of the most powerful public employees unions in the state. And he hosted a fund-raising brunch for Indian tribes in San Diego, three of which gave a combined $62,000.

The donations helped Schwarzenegger's effort to finance the successful campaign for Proposition 49, which aimed to expand before- and after-school programs. That campaign was an opportunity to show he had public policy views and to burnish his image for a future gubernatorial run. At the time, he was widely seen as a likely candidate for the 2006 election.

Representatives of the teachers and one of the tribes that donated to the initiative campaign said they were confounded by the candidate's turnaround.

"We were good folks to come to for Proposition 49," said David Baron, who oversees governmental affairs for the Barona Band of Mission Indians, which donated $10,000. "But now that he is running for election to a statewide office, we are taboo. It is a little odd."

Schwarzenegger campaign aide Sean Walsh said there was a major difference between fund-raising for Proposition 49 and the candidate's decision to turn down donations from some groups as he runs for governor.

The actor "was not in a position during Proposition 49 to affect public policy as it directly related to these organizations," Walsh said. If the actor becomes governor, he will have to negotiate with public employees and with casino-owning tribes.

"He has set a bar: When he is having direct negotiations with a group, he does not want the public confidence to be undermined," Walsh said. "He doesn't want to give the impression that he is beholden to any group."

Walsh read from remarks the candidate made this week to the Press-Enterprise of Riverside, in which Schwarzenegger supports tribal sovereignty and the tribes' right to operate casinos.

"Since I want to be governor of this state," Schwarzenegger told the newspaper, "I want to do things for them because it is right for the people and it is right for them, rather than because I get money I want to have their endorsement, but I don't want them to pay for it."

At least some campaign finance experts agreed that there is a difference between raising money for an initiative campaign and for a gubernatorial run.

Donors "may have ingratiated themselves to him by contributing to his pet project," said California Common Cause's Jim Knox. "But there is a distinction. Those contributions were for a specific measure, up or down."

However, state Sen. Tom McClintock of Thousand Oaks, a fellow Republican and one of Schwarzenegger's rivals in the recall race to replace Gov. Gray Davis, chastised the movie star.

"He changes directions quite often," said McClintock, a recent recipient of tribal donations. "One wonders why contributions that are not special interest money one day become special interest donations the next, and vice versa."

Since announcing his candidacy, Schwarzenegger has striven to make an issue of the influence of campaign donations on state officeholders ?- even as he holds fund-raisers, three of which are planned today in Sacramento and Sonoma.

"I will never take money from the special interests, from Indian gaming or from unions or anything like that," he said at a Labor Day appearance at the California State Fair in Sacramento.

That was a modification of his initial campaign pledge not to take outside money.

He has collected almost $6 million in his gubernatorial campaign account, according to reports filed with the California secretary of state. He contributed $3.5 million of that himself; the rest has come largely from real estate developers, corporate executives, venture capitalists, contractors, winemakers and numerous small donations. Many of those groups have business pending in Sacramento.

Schwarzenegger spent more than $2 million of his own money on Proposition 49, which passed with 55% of the vote and earmarks around $500 million a year for after-school programs. (Because of the funding formula in the initiative, none of that money has yet been available.)

Altogether, the star raised $9 million for that campaign. Much of the money came from Hollywood figures and wealthy individuals who take a personal interest in education, including billionaire John Walton of the family that founded Wal-Mart. Walton, a major political donor, gave $400,000 to Proposition 49.

A. Jerrold Perenchio, chairman of the Spanish-language Univision TV network, gave $1 million.

But much of the Proposition 49 money came from corporations and organizations that are large donors to state and national campaigns, including many that have significant lobbying interests in Sacramento. They included oil companies, Pacific Gas & Electric, construction interests, financial services firms and Hollywood studios.

The California Teachers Assn. was the third-largest donor to the campaign. John Hein, who oversees governmental affairs for the 300,000-member union, said that, based on the Proposition 49 campaign, he believed that the teachers had a good relationship with Schwarzenegger. "I have a hard time recognizing the Arnold I know in this campaign," Hein said.

The teachers union is one of the major lobbying forces in Sacramento, particularly on matters related to the $100-billion state budget, about a third of which goes to schools. Since the bulk of the money for schools comes from Sacramento, teachers' pay and classroom resources are determined at least in part by the amount allocated to schools in the annual spending plan.

For the initiative campaign, Schwarzenegger also took $50,000 from the Morongo Band of Mission Indians and $2,000 from the Jackson Rancheria Band of Miwuk Indians, in addition to the Barona's $10,000. He hosted a brunch for tribal representatives at the University Club in San Diego in September 2002.

Barona donated to the initiative effort because the tribe, said David Baron, "thought at the time that the after-school program would be good for the community and for the state of California; that's why we contributed."
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Schwarzenegger's previous statements on fund raising:

'I will put in money, whatever's necessary; whether it's $5 million or $10 million, it makes no difference.'

?- Aug. 6, news conference after his announcement on 'The Tonight Show' that he would enter the recall race.

'I move to Sacramento without any baggage. I haven't made any deals with anyone Therefore I will be able to make decisions.'

?- Aug. 20, statement after meeting with his Economic Recovery Council.

'The fact of the matter is, of course, I'll take donations from outside individuals. But I don't want to take money from special interests that I would have to negotiate with.'

?- Aug. 27, statement on Sean Hannity talk radio program.

'The contributions come in, the favors go out and the people suffer I will never take money from the special interests, from Indian gaming or from unions or anything like that.'

?- Sept. 1, Labor Day appearance in Sacramento.

'I don't want to accept any money from people I potentially would be negotiating with.'

?- Sept. 4, explaining in a Riverside appearance that he misspoke in declaring early in his campaign that he was 'not taking money from anyone.'

'We realized this was a conflict of interest.'

?- Sept. 4, announcing the return of a $2,500 donation from the Assn. for Los Angeles Deputy Sheriffs.

'I am running because I don't owe anybody anything Most of my campaign is financed by me and by my wife I get some of the money from contributions and from companies and from private individuals and stuff like that, and then I will stay away from those big entities that I will eventually have to negotiate with.'

?- Sept. 4, interview with The Times.

Los Angeles Times

The more they claim it won't be politics as usual, the more their noses grows.

Pardon my Freedom, but I think this is a crock of ****. And I sincerely don't say that to be impolite.

You need proof of my contention that gang-bangs in general, and specifically the one in which Schwarzeneggar recounts his participation("everbody jumped on her and took her upstairs"...that sounds consensual, right? I mean, she came out naked, right? What'd she expect? It's not like she wandered out of the dressing room looking for the showers...) are not rape. I take note that one of the female posters to this thread also contended my description, so this merits some discussion. Perhas a digression worthy of another thread.

But to bottom-line it: I'm perfectly willing to have my mind changed if you can actually provide some independent, perhaps even professional substantiation of your contention, or even if some women who have experienced said circumstance and are reading this thread will post in agreement with your, ah, 'conversations'. Until then I'm going to remain convinced that gang-bangs are, primarily and overwhelmingly, initiated by men for the mens' pleasure.

A bunch of porno websites don't count as proof. Unless you can also prove that nobody got paid.

Listen, maybe it is me that's all wet, and since my personal group sex experiences total zero, I have to be open-minded enough to accept the possibility that I don't have a clue about the mindset of women who engage in this behavior, but until then it's your opinion vs. mine.

More importantly, do you actually expect someone to agree that because it was the Seventies that Arnold's behaviour was...what, exactly? Acceptable? Forgiveable?



Yes...and I did. Call me Prudie, if you like.

See, I have this quaint, possibly unrealistic expectation that candidates for public office simply not brag about participating in gang-bangs.

Is that so wrong?

But it does sound like Hollywood -- believe me. I lived there.

This is a real stink'n mess: even Gray Davis signed legislation to get votes from Hispanics. He signed a bill that will allow "illegal aliens" to get driver's license in California. He wants to win so badly, he's willing to forget the problem associated with using a driver's license for a 'legal' identification as a citizen of this country. He just increased the number of ways it can be used for fraudulant purposes. I'm not even going to vote no on the recall. I don't want Gray Davis to win - no matter what happens. Don't forget; Bustamante also got money from the Indian gambling interests. They're all selling themselves down the river for $$$$$$$$$$$. No ethics, no conscience, no nut'n.

PDiddie and Codeborg - I am the female poster who said she didn't know if it was rape but it was certainly chilling.

It certainly sounds like it was rape, I just don't personally KNOW that.

Like I said, in Hollywood it's just as likely with consent. Otherwise, they all took a chance of losing their careers to a scandal involving criminal charges. (Don't ask if I've ever been to one of those shindigs -- that would be patently unfair! )

Well, I'm sure she won't come to this thread to provide you with "proof", but one of my best friends (girl) told me about how one of her best friends at the time (girl) stayed behind in the late-nite after-club bar with some of the guys she hang out with there, and asked them to have sex with her. 'Pparently they went in turn - 'pparently it was something she'd fantasized about. (And yeh, for sure they were probably on drugs).

So it happens. I'd agree its probably the exception to the rule, for sure. And, to stay on-topic, I'd definitely agree that:



Problem here of course is that he bragged about it yeeeaaaars before he even considered standing for public office (the mag was from the 70s, wasnt it?). But yeh, bragging about such a thing to any mag at any time is way unsympathetic.