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Mapping the pitfalls of dieting

 
 
Noddy24
 
Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2003 02:43 pm
An excellent dieting thread in the Sports & Fitness program is now approaching 70 pages. The participants--all worthy--are focused on increased activity as the key to weight loss.

I'd like to start a discussion dealing with the avoiding the pitfalls of dieting and outwitting well-established habits of gorging and inertia.

I've just finished making a seedless watermelon user friendly. The pink flesh is in the refrigerator cut in bite sized bits and the rind has gone out to the compost.

Now I have no excuse to avoid snacking on watermelon.

How do you deal with snacking and nibbling--and with the other pitfalls of dieting.
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mac11
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2003 10:35 am
I do the same thing with cantaloupe - cut it up into bitesize pieces.

I have given in to baby carrots, too. They are so much simpler to snack on. (I tended to let whole carrots rot in the fridge before.)

I don't buy ice cream, cookies, and such at all anymore, but indulge occasionally when I'm out. If I have ice cream in the house, I just can't resist it at all!
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husker
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2003 10:42 am
I do not know if you have heard of the "Mayo Clinic Healthy Food Pyramid" It's not a diet but here a snip-it of info

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More Stuff from the Mayo Clinic
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husker
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 12:23 pm
6 strategies for successful weight loss
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 12:47 pm
Most diets fail due to their own complexity. I favor the Miss Piggy 90 Day Plan. It has one rule, and it is easy to understand and follow.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 01:10 pm
The biggest pitfall in dieting is the word "diet" itself. It connotes deprivation. If you want to lose weight, you need to find a plan that you can live with for the rest of your life. There needs to be no concept such as "cheating". You eat what you eat. If you overindulge, you exercise a little harder. BTW, I have found that exercise makes me not more hungry, but less. (I just happened to be back from an 1 1/2 hour workout, and all I want is about a quart of water, and a shower). I think that is because I am a stress eater, and the endorphins produced by an hour on the treadmill controls my stress level.

One of the problems with eating less calories, is that the body becomes more efficient. "It" thinks that it is in the middle of a famine, and conserves. Then, when a person goes back to a normal eating routine, the pounds pile back on again.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 01:58 pm
Stop counting everything. Eat when you are hungry, but just enough. Don't walk away from the table feeling full. If you feel peckish, eat protein, not just fruit and vegetables. Eat small portions of things at least 5 times a day to keep your metabolism up. Ignore everything you have heard about fat and carbs, and just make sound decisions.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 02:07 pm
One addition, if I may, Cav. Don't let yourself become famished before eating. Your appetite will lag behind the fullness of stomach and you'll pig out for sure.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 02:08 pm
True roger. Good advice.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2003 02:55 pm
Thank you all for excellent advice--and, Husker, the Mayo web site is a good one.

Saturday last my computer was struck by lightning and while I'm back on line, I'm woefully behinders.
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husker
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2003 03:56 pm
Noddy24 wrote:
Thank you all for excellent advice--and, Husker, the Mayo web site is a good one.

Saturday last my computer was struck by lightning and while I'm back on line, I'm woefully behinders.


Yes it is - I use it a lot, hope you get everything resolved on the puter - my UPS failed last week - reason unclear.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Thu 28 Aug, 2003 12:49 pm
Inspiring thoughts:

Remember all the warnings about eating oily (fatty) fish because of the concentrations of herbicides and pesticides stored in fish fat.

Guess who else is at the top of a food chain and toting around body fat impregnated with various poisons and toxins.

*****

Rush Limbaugh has recently lost considerable weight. Conservatives may emulate him. Liberals may outdo him.

*****

Being able to scratch an itch in the middle of your back is a sign of delightful self-sufficiency.
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roger
 
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Reply Thu 28 Aug, 2003 01:00 pm
Are those toxins released when the fat is consumed? Food for thought.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Thu 28 Aug, 2003 02:55 pm
Roger? Remember Habitat II--the dome in the desert that was a theoretical prototype of a space colony?

All the participants--I think there were 8--lost weight eating only what they could grow themselves. Meanwhile, the scientists monitoring the sewage were baffled by the high levels of pesticides, insectides and other toxins.

A little research proved that as the settlers' fat dissolved all sorts of chemical nasties were being purged through their kidneys in urine.

If the aliens come and decided to harvest the fat ones first, they will be chowing down on heavily contaminated long pig.
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babsatamelia
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2003 02:56 am
**Reading so much lately about the lengths persons
will go to lose weight - leads me to a simple conclusion.
The surgical gastric bypass is a very dangerous & very
serious surgery. In Mexico, they have a simple method
that works by the same principle. It's an intragastric balloon.
A GI specialist inserts the balloon into the sstomach during
an endoscopy ( a simple outpatient procedure) and then he
increases the balloon size until the patient's stomach size
has been dramatically altered.
**Stomach "banding" another available option in the
US and like all the above - is based on decreasing the
size of the stomach.
**While people of average weight have a stomach that
holds about a 2 cup capacity, obese people have a
stomach that holds up to 4 cups !! From all this information
the basic desired outcome is to shrink the size of the
stomach, by some mechanical means.
**However - this is a task that can be done BY ANYONE, at
home EASILY - without surgery, banding or balloons.
It has been proven that anyone can shrink their current
stomach size by ONE-THIRD IN JUST ONE MONTH,
HOW??? By eating 6 or 7 "mini meals" a day. An example
of a mini meal would be something that takes up less space
than 2 cups, preferably 1 cup. An apple - or a container of
fat free yogurt - a half cup of oats cooked- makes about a
3/4 cup serving of actual oatmeal when it's done cooking.
(the old fashioned kind; instant & other types lack the more
increased beneficial fiber content)
**So I deduce from this - that by adding several days of
fasting per month ( by fasting - I mean clear liquids, jello
chicken broth etc) this would speed up the shrinking process
rapidly.
** So if we add a few days of clear fluid fasts AND keep up
the concept of looking at what we are going to eat and
comparing the size to what 1 cup looks like, and don't go
over the 1 cup food intake limit - although every couple hours
you can add another mini meal. It is VERY easy to see what
a cup of food looks like - right? If we continue on in this way
we should all be able to shrink the size of our stomach from
3 or 4 cup capacity - down to a 1 cup capacity - and do it
completely within 2 months - no surgery - no risk.
**So that is MY strategy at the current time. I can already
feel that my stomach has shrunk considerably. When I eat
I get full VERY quickly - even though all I measured out is
a 1 cup serving.
**The only way I can imagine that this plan would fail, would
be to deliberately sit down and stuff more food in than is
comfortable (or reasonable) to do. And so far, I've had no
urge to do that at all.
**Obesity equals a 4 cup or more stomach capacity, so to be
slender, one must have a stomach capacity of about 1 cup.
If I look at it in this way ... it is SO simple. Of course, for
"other" health reasons we must avoid fatty foods - what good
is it to be slender and have a heart attack from clogged
arteries? Anyway, I heartily do agree that the very word
DIET implies a short term period of change that one day will
be discarded - so what is the point of dieting at all??
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2003 11:26 am
Babsatamelia--

Thanks for the figures of stomach capacity. I like the notion of a no-slice, do-it-yourself gastric staple.

I'm not sure but the balloon treatment could cause allergies to latex. I'll be interested to see now that obesity and over weight are becoming national causes whether the balloon treatment becomes more popular in the states.
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husker
 
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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2003 11:00 am
Dietary Experts Debate Carbohydrates

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Sun Aug 31, 7:53 AM

By DANIEL Q. HANEY, AP Medical Editor

- Should people really care that they digest potatoes faster than carrots?

Macaroni faster than spaghetti? Rice Krispies faster than Special K? A greenish banana faster than a freckled one? A Snickers bar faster than a Twix?

Yes, say some of the country's top-tier nutritional experts. They are convinced that carbohydrates should be labeled good or bad, just the way fats are, and that some of the carbs Americans love most _ velvety puddles of mashed potatoes, lighter-than-air white bread _ are dietary evil, to be avoided like the nastiest artery-choking trans-fats.

No, contend other equally respected nutritional experts. Potatoes and other starchy standbys are perfectly respectable. A carb is a carb is a carb.

The debate involves an idea called the glycemic index. It is a way of rating how quickly carbohydrates are digested and rush into the bloodstream as sugar. Fast, in this case, is bad. In theory, a blast of sugar makes insulin levels go up, and this, strangely, leaves people quickly feeling hungry again.

The debate over whether every person who puts food in his mouth should know about this is fervid even for the field of dietary wisdom, where fierce opinions based on ironclad beliefs and sparse data are standard.

Despite its detractors, the idea seems to be gaining momentum, in part because it is offered as scientific underpinning by the authors of a variety of popular diet schemes, mostly of the low-carb variety. However, some painstakingly argue that the glycemic index is just as important for the carbohydrate-loving brown rice aficionado as it is for the most carbo-phobic, double-bacon-cheeseburger-hold-the-bun Atkins follower.

To believers, the glycemic index is a kind of nutritional Rosetta stone that explains much of what has gone wrong with the world's health and girth over the past two decades: Why diets so often fail. Why diabetes is becoming epidemic. Why mankind is growing so fat.

We overeat because we are hungry, the theory goes, and we are hungry because of what we have been told to eat, which is too much fast-burning food that plays havoc with metabolism by quickly raising blood sugar levels. All of that starch at the base of the food pyramid has had the unintended effect of making us ravenous.

"It's almost unethical to tell people to eat a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet with no regard to glycemic index," says Janette Brand-Miller of the University of Sydney, one of the field's pioneers.

The idea has already entered the scientific mainstream in much of the world and is endorsed by the World Health Organization, but it remains deeply controversial in the United States. It is dismissed by some of the country's weightiest private health societies, including the American Heart Association and the American Diabetes Association.

To some of the skeptics, this is just another half-baked mishmash of dietary arm-waving, cobbled together to justify the high-fat, low-carb schemes that dietitians love to hate.

The fact that carbohydrates break down at different rates has been suspected for a long time. It is why diabetics were once (but no longer) told to studiously avoid sweets, since presumably sugary foods would quickly turn into sugar in the blood stream. About 20 years ago, scientists came up with the glycemic index, or GI, as a way to compare this.

The body converts all carbohydrates _ from starches to table sugar _ into sugar molecules that are burned or stored. The faster carbs are broken down by the digestive system, the quicker blood sugar goes up and the higher their GI.

The GI of at least 1,000 different foods has been measured, in the process knocking down many common-sense dietary beliefs. For instance, some complex carbohydrates are digested faster than the long demonized simple carbs. Foods such as white bread and some breakfast cereals break down in a flash, while some sweet things, like apples and pears, take their time.

In general, starchy foods like refined grain products and potatoes have a high GI _ 50 percent higher than table sugar. Unprocessed grains, peas and beans have a moderate GI. Nonstarchy vegetables and most fruits are low.

While it seems reasonable that chewy, whole-grain bread is digested more slowly than a French baguette, some of the results are less obvious. For instance, overcooking can raise the GI. Ripe fruit is lower than green. A diced potato is lower than mashed, and thick linguini is lower than thin.

To make matters even more confusing, the glycemic index measures only the carbohydrate in food. Some vegetables, such as carrots, have quite high GIs, but they don't contain much carb, so they have little effect on blood sugar.

Therefore, some experts prefer to speak of food's glycemic load, which is its glycemic index multiplied by the amount of carb in a serving. Considered this way, a serving of carrots has a modest glycemic load of 3, compared with 26 for an unadorned baked potato.

Blood sugar levels may shoot twice as high after a high-GI meal as after a low one, and that unleashes metabolic havoc: The body responds with a surge of insulin, which prompts it to quickly store the sugar in muscle and fat cells. The high sugar also inhibits another hormone, glucagon, which ordinarily tells the body to burn its stored fuel.

Blood sugar plunges. So much is stored so fast that within two or three hours, levels may be lower than they were before the meal. Suddenly, the body needs more fuel. But because glucagon is still in short supply, the body does not tap into its fat supply for energy. The inevitable result? Hunger.

That, at least, is the theory. Experiments to prove this are difficult and time-consuming. Among those trying is Dr. David Ludwig of Boston's Children's Hospital, who has done several studies on overweight teenagers.

In one, he tested the idea that a high-GI breakfast makes people hungrier at lunch. A dozen obese boys were fed three different breakfasts, all with the same calories _ a low-GI vegetable omelet and fruit, medium-GI steel-cut oats or high-GI instant oatmeal.

At noon, they could eat as much as they wanted. Those who started the day with instant oatmeal wolfed down nearly twice as much as those getting the veggie omelet.

Ludwig says overweight people do not need to starve themselves. On a low-GI diet, they can eat enough to feel satisfied and still lose weight.

In a pilot study, he tested this on 14 overweight adolescents. They were put on two different regimens _ a standard low-cal, low-fat, high-carb diet and a low-GI plan that let them eat all they wanted. After one year, the low-GI volunteers had dropped seven pounds of pure fat. The others had put on four. Now he is repeating the study on 100 heavy teenagers.

Even such small experiments have been rare. Most support for the idea comes from big surveys that follow people's health and diets over time. Some of these show that those who consistently favor low-GI fare are less likely to become overweight or to get diabetes and heart disease.

The evidence is strong enough for authors of some popular diet books, who use the glycemic index as one of their primary rationales. "It's a new unifying concept that brings nutritional habits out of the dark ages and says it's all about the numbers," says Barry Sears, author of the Zone series of diet books. "It says diet does not have to be based on philosophy. It can be based on hard science."

Major U.S. health organizations are less impressed. Ludwig expects this to change, in part because paying attention to the glycemic index can help everyone choose healthier carbs, whether they go low-fat or high.

But that seems unlikely any time soon at the heart association. The head of its nutrition committee, Dr. Robert Eckel of the University of Colorado, says the theory that high-GI foods make people hungry is "ridiculous" and argues that a scientific case can be made for just the opposite.

Dietitians generally encourage a balanced, varied diet emphasizing unadulterated whole foods, and they cringe at a classification that puts ordinary baked potatoes and white rice on a taboo list.

"It's an artificial system of classifying foods as good and bad," says JoAnn Carson, a nutritionist at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center.

Others worry that the whole business is just too hard to keep straight.

"We are putting before the public an extraordinarily complicated message, which I don't think they will follow or be very happy with," says Dr. Xavier Pi-Sunyer of St. Luke's Roosevelt Hospital Center in New York City.

Not necessarily, responds Harvard's Dr. Walter Willett. "I do think this is an important concept for people to understand, but I don't think they need to worry about specific numbers."

His advice: Go light on the white bread, white rice, potatoes pasta and sugary foods.

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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2003 12:33 pm
Thanks, Husker, glad to have that summary.
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husker
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 09:07 am
Hormone jab beats hunger in the obese

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Hormone jab beats hunger in the obese


12:43 04 September 03

NewScientist.com news service

Giving obese people top-ups of a naturally occurring gut hormone could help fight obesity, suggests a new study.

The research revealed that obese people have a third less of the hunger-beating hormone PYY3-36 in their blood than their leaner contemporaries. And giving both obese and slim people infusions of the hormone cut their appetites by about a third when offered an eat-as-much-as-you-like buffet, says the team from Imperial College London and the Hammersmith Hospital, also in London, UK.

"The discovery that obese people have lower levels of PYY3-36, an important factor limiting appetite, suggests a possible new treatment for the millions suffering from obesity," says Steve Bloom, a member of the team at Imperial. "These new findings suggest boosting PYY3-36 offers a novel approach towards treating the epidemic of obesity in our society."

"Obesity is a global epidemic that is getting worse," warns Rachel
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Heeven
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2003 09:31 am
My sister lost over 10 lbs some months back and encouraged me to use her as a diet-buddy.

Nine weeks later, I have lost a total of 11.5 lbs. I am not on a specific diet. I simply track everything I eat every day on a spreadsheet, allocating the calories throughout the day. I weigh myself once a week and I use a website to calculate how many calories I need to lose 1 lb a week. I bitched and moaned the first week or two because I completely cut out sodas (I LOVE vanilla coke and apparently had been a wee bit addicted to it) and now I drink low fat iced tea at 5 cals per 8FL oz and I like it! I cut out chocolate, chips and snacks, although I do buy some and keep them for very special treats. I eat less fast food and have changed from white bread to 12 grain brown bread which I find absolutely delicious and very filling now. I tried white bread the other day and found myself wanting brown instead! It's lost its tastiness for me. I changed to low fat mayo and now I don't miss the full fat dressing. I do find I eat absolutely everything on my plate now, whereas before I was a picky eater.

As someone who NEVER diets, I am feeling better and intend to keep this better eating habit going. I really would love to lose lots more because I am very overweight but I am only goind to do it slowly because I don't believe in crash diets and I don't want the weight just coming back as soon as I finish. And now I find I am feeling energetic enough to start some walking and exercising to help my trimming plan.

I am not one who can stick to diet plans. I do feel very deprived when others tells me what I can and cannot eat or worse still give me planned menus to choose from. I generally can't stand the food listed on most of these plans. I have a goal time set for Christmas when I will be going to a family reunion and I wanted to lose 25-30 lbs for that, along with my sister. I think I'm going to make it!
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