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I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 12:53 pm
@Krumple,
We don't need to invent anything about Trump. He's a scammer, a liar, and a narcissist.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/09/opinion/donald-trumps-big-liar-technique.html
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/cbs-exposes-one-donald-trumps-huge-scams/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-wagner/trump-and-narcissistic-pe_b_11289332.html
Krumple
 
  1  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 12:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

We don't need to invent anything about Trump. He's a scammer, a liar, and a narcissist.


Hillary has never lied and isn't narcissistic? That's funny..
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 12:57 pm
@Krumple,
We're talking about Trump. Hillary has devoted her life to helping children and women all over the world.
What gave you the right to criticize Hillary?

Hillary Clinton said,
Quote:
Children like Ryan kept me going when our plan for universal health care failed and kept me working with leaders of both parties to help create the Children's Health Insurance Program that covers 8 million kids in our country.
Krumple
 
  -1  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 01:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:


Hillary Clinton said,
Quote:
Children like Ryan kept me going when our plan for universal health care failed and kept me working with leaders of both parties to help create the Children's Health Insurance Program that covers 8 million kids in our country.



Oh she's the proverbial mother Teresa isn't she? No she knows the political game is to tug at your heart strings so it gives the impression she cares.

It's typical political manipulation. Hillary has a lot that should be criticized but the left tighten up their blinders and press in the ear plugs so deep they can't hear anything other than the Hillary subliminal message being repeated over and over in their heads.
snood
 
  8  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 01:28 pm
Clinton has worked on behalf of children's healthcare since far before she ever got any attention for it. She was hired in 1973 fresh out of law school by Marion Wright Edelman at the Children's Defense Fund. As a Yale graduate she went door to door in poverty stricken neighborhoods, gathering data to use on their behalf. No right-wing smears and fear mongering can erase her consistent commitment to children's causes.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 01:36 pm
@snood,
Thank you.
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Krumple
 
  1  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 01:36 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Clinton has worked on behalf of children's healthcare since far before she ever got any attention for it. She was hired in 1973 fresh out of law school by Marion Wright Edelman at the Children's Defense Fund. As a Yale graduate she went door to door in poverty stricken neighborhoods, gathering data to use on their behalf. No right-wing smears and fear mongering can erase her consistent commitment to children's causes.


And she was also a Goldwater supporter and was against gay marriage rights. So what?
cicerone imposter
 
  4  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 01:38 pm
@Krumple,
If we see people like Hillary devoting her life to help others is a bad thing, count me in.
Krumple
 
  0  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 01:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

If we see people like Hillary devoting her life to help others is a bad thing, count me in.


Just how thick is the whool over your eyes? Just curious, does it ever itch?
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snood
 
  4  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 02:00 pm
@Krumple,
Quote:
And she was also a Goldwater supporter and was against gay marriage rights. So what?


I'm going to respond to you again, but be assured that my patience with your nonsense is limited and you will return to the unheard and unseen ignored basket.

That crap about her former views is so weak! In the mid-1960's, as a teenager, she was a Goldwater girl. Do you want to be held responsible for everything you thought and did as a teenager? I know damn well I don't.

And as far as once being against gay rights, well guess what? Most politicians have had to change their stance on that matter - very few have always been supportive of full gay rights. That's one area where Bernie is a good example of consistently being pro-gay rights. He is an exception in that area. Hell, I've had to "evolve" on that issue myself.

I know you'll keep trying, and thank God for the ignore function. But no one can erase her record of progressive legislation and pursuit of children's rights, no matter how much feces-flinging they do.
Krumple
 
  1  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 02:41 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Quote:
And she was also a Goldwater supporter and was against gay marriage rights. So what?


I'm going to respond to you again, but be assured that my patience with your nonsense is limited and you will return to the unheard and unseen ignored basket.

That crap about her former views is so weak! In the mid-1960's, as a teenager, she was a Goldwater girl. Do you want to be held responsible for everything you thought and did as a teenager? I know damn well I don't.

And as far as once being against gay rights, well guess what? Most politicians have had to change their stance on that matter - very few have always been supportive of full gay rights. That's one area where Bernie is a good example of consistently being pro-gay rights. He is an exception in that area. Hell, I've had to "evolve" on that issue myself.

I know you'll keep trying, and thank God for the ignore function. But no one can erase her record of progressive legislation and pursuit of children's rights, no matter how much feces-flinging they do.


I'm saying where is the consistency? You have no problem using aspects of her past to justify why you think she is a good candidate but will ignore any thing that disagrees with that which is of her past as well.

You'll gladly write off her mistakes as benign but other things should be spot lighted to profess her greatness. Where is the consistancy?

I never said she doesn't help children, I am saying it's a political pay on the back motivation. She knows people will fall for the effort because everyone loves children. It's a political truck to win sympathy. I see it has worked.

This is like your neighbor who is a serial killer claims he is innocent because he helps your other neighbor who is elderly take out her garbage.
snood
 
  3  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 02:46 pm
@Krumple,
Quote:
This is like your neighbor who is a serial killer claims he is innocent because he helps your other neighbor who is elderly take out her garbage.

Yup. Hillary changing her political views is exactly like a serial killer helping his neighbor with her garbage. See ya.
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Krumple
 
  2  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 02:48 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
I'm going to respond to you again, but be assured that my patience with your nonsense is limited and you will return to the unheard and unseen ignored basket.


Look how self righteous you are. You want me to take what you have to say but threaten me with the ignore button because I might disagree with something? Just plain silly. I couldn't care any less if you put me on ignore. But what have I said that is so offensive? Nothing other than presenting another point of view but hey it should be censored right? Because you disagree?

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maporsche
 
  4  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 02:58 pm
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:

It's not just Sanders. The Democrats could have picked practically anybody and they would have been a better candidate than Clinton. Face it: the Democrats had a buffet of choices, and they still stuck with the **** sandwich.


The democrats backed a winner. That's enough for me.
maporsche
 
  5  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 03:06 pm
@Krumple,
Krumple wrote:

I'm saying where is the consistency? You have no problem using aspects of her past to justify why you think she is a good candidate but will ignore any thing that disagrees with that which is of her past as well.

You'll gladly write off her mistakes as benign but other things should be spot lighted to profess her greatness. Where is the consistancy?


Consistency for the sake of consistency is NOT a good thing. My grandmother was a racist in her youth. I'm glad she's evolved on that issue. Being against gay marriage and over time adjusting your views is a good thing too. Most American's have evolved the same way. If the republican politicians would evolve this way then they might even get my vote in some elections.

Quote:
I never said she doesn't help children, I am saying it's a political pay on the back motivation. She knows people will fall for the effort because everyone loves children. It's a political truck to win sympathy. I see it has worked.


Let's assume that the only reason (or even the primary reason) she did that was for political sympathy. So what? Do you think those kids who have food, clothing, being cured of disease, getting HIV/Aids medication give TWO SHITS about the motivation of the person responsible for helping them????

No seemingly altruistic act is without personal gain. None.


Quote:

This is like your neighbor who is a serial killer claims he is innocent because he helps your other neighbor who is elderly take out her garbage.


******* garbage man. I know you can do better than this. Be an adult.
Kolyo
 
  3  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 03:26 pm
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:

It's not just Sanders. The Democrats could have picked practically anybody and they would have been a better candidate than Clinton.


You may be right, there. Practically anyone other than Clinton on the one hand, and an admitted socialist who believes in unilateral campaign finance disarmament on the other, would have made a better Democratic nominee. But we had two real choices in the primary. Now we have a choice, between Clinton and the end of America as we know it.
engineer
 
  5  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 03:34 pm
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:

It's not just Sanders. The Democrats could have picked practically anybody and they would have been a better candidate than Clinton.

It depends on if they wanted the best candidate or the best President. I think Sanders (for example) might have been a better candidate, but there is no way he would even have been close as good a President. For me, the end goal was to elect the best President and I think Clinton fits that bill.
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Kolyo
 
  3  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 03:37 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Consistency for the sake of consistency is NOT a good thing.


And Trump's attitude towards gays seems to have evolved as well, at least if the company he keeps is any indication. He used to sing duets with Karen from Will and Grace. Now he hangs out with people like Mike Pence.
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engineer
 
  1  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 03:57 pm
@Krumple,
Krumple wrote:

And she was also a Goldwater supporter

I'm always amazed that people bring this up. I'm glad people don't hold me responsible for my beliefs when I was a teenager.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 6 Oct, 2016 04:04 pm
@engineer,
According to Krumple, people are not supposed to change their viewpoints concerning politics and political persons.

History has shown how even the party politics have changed. If they change, why can't the voters?

I was once a registered democrat, once a registered republican, and now an registered independent. I'm pretty sure I'll remain an Independent for the rest of my life.
 

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