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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2015 10:22 pm
@BillRM,
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By the way how can any country be free who would killed or even profiled people only for their faiths?


By the way, how can a free country have a group like Muslims you can't even talk about for fear of violence. Do they belong in a free society?

And those people would be profiled because people of the same faith are terrorists, or are they not Muslims?
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 12:19 am
@coldjoint,
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people of the same faith are terrorists,


Sorry my friend but your logic if you can called it logic suck as there are Christian terrorists also, see such people as Eric Robert Rudolph and by your logic that must mean that all Christians should be view as terrorists or at the least likely terrorists.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 11:51 am
@BillRM,
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Sorry my friend but your logic if you can called it logic suck as there are Christian terrorists also, see such people as Eric Robert Rudolph and by your logic that must mean that all Christians should be view as terrorists or at the least likely terrorists.


Did Eric Robert Rudolph hear sermons on the righteousness of violence in church? I rather doubt it. You are making claims of equivalence which dont stand up.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 12:28 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Did Eric Robert Rudolph hear sermons on the righteousness of violence in church?


More then likely as there are far right anti-abortion and anti-government Churches in the US that teach such sermons!

The Westboro Baptist Church come to mind but there are a hell of a lot of other so call Christian churches that are similar and larger and worst for that matter but that do not chase media coverage like they do.

You might wish to check out the Southern Poverty Law Center for a list of such churches.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 12:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
There seems no question that the "churches" that Rudolph went to he indeed hear sermons on the righteousness of violence.



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http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/backgrounder-eric-robert.html

Rudolph has had connections since childhood to a number of anti-Semitic, racist and anti-government movements or groups, especially Christian Identity, a virulently anti-Semitic "religious" sect that preaches that Jews are descended from Satan and that God made non-whites inferior to whites, who were made, "in his image." Identity believers are also fiercely opposed to race-mixing, abortion and homosexuality. While Rudolph frequently espoused these views, he never officially joined the ranks of the hate groups he followed, and is believed to have acted alone in the bombings he is accused of committing.

The following is an overview of Rudolph's extremist links and the record of violence he is accused of committing in furtherance of his hateful views.

Eric Rudolph's Extremist Beliefs

By the time he was in his 30s, Eric Robert Rudolph was fully immersed in the anti-Semitic and extreme sentiments of the Christian Identity and extremist groups whose rhetoric he followed, but whose ranks he never joined.

Rudolph was not known to be a regular at extremist protests and rallies, nor did he create Web pages to espouse his views. Like a few select others-such as Timothy McVeigh on the far right and Theodore Kaczynski on the far left-Rudolph appears to have opted instead for violent action.

Rudolph is charged in four bombings committed over a span of eighteen months. On July 27, 1996, he is alleged to have bombed Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta, Georgia. On January 27, 1997, authorities believe he bombed the Atlanta Northside Family Planning Services; a month later, the Otherside Lounge, a lesbian bar, also in Atlanta, was bombed. This bombing was followed by a letter sent to Atlanta media organizations railing against abortion clinics and homosexuality and claiming responsibility for the bombing by the "Army of God." It concluded with the phrase "Death to the New World Order," popularized by Michigan militia figure Mark Koernke.

On January 29, 1998, Rudolph allegedly used a radio-controlled nail bomb at the New Woman All Women Health Care Centre in Birmingham, Alabama. These four terrorist acts killed a mother attending the Olympics and an off-duty police officer (and caused a fatal heart attack in a third person), while injuring over a hundred more - some severely.

Rudolph's Early Influences

Both Rudolph's mother and his father (who died in 1981) had fringe beliefs ranging from hatred of Social Security numbers to a naïve faith in the curing powers of laetrile. After Rudolph's father died, his mother moved her family to rural western North Carolina.

Rudolph found Christian Identity through his mother, Patricia, who moved her family to Topton in 1981 to live near Nord Davis (described below). There she met Thomas Branham, a sawmill owner who would become a close family friend and a mentor of sorts to Rudolph. A close associate of Davis, Branham was a survivalist and a sovereign citizen who believed the government had no authority or jurisdiction over him.

Around 1982, Patricia Rudolph and her family traveled to Missouri, to stay for several months at another Identity compound, this one belonging to Dan Gayman and his Church of Israel. During much of this time, Patricia home-schooled Rudolph, although when she later moved back to western North Carolina, she enrolled him in a local high school. There, as a freshman, Rudolph wrote a class paper denying the Holocaust ever happened-an indicator that he was not simply exposed to but immersed in extreme ideologies.

Rudolph dropped out after the ninth grade. He later joined the U.S. Army, from which he was discharged in 1989 because of marijuana use. Rudolph returned to North Carolina, where he worked as a carpenter, living "off the system" by accepting and paying only cash, and not using banks or Social Security cards, or paying taxes. According to some reports, Rudolph supplemented his income considerably by growing marijuana in the woods, increasing his already considerable familiarity with the western North Carolina wilderness.

Extremists in North Carolina

Western North Carolina is not a hotbed of hate, but it does have features that make it attractive to many people with extreme views. It is a remote area, insular, and possessing a lingering resentment of the government that dates back to bootlegging days. It has attracted extremists from all over the country. White supremacist Ben Klassen moved to the region from Florida in the 1980s to establish a compound for his racist group the Church of the Creator (Klassen committed suicide and the group is now called the Creativity Movement). Kirk Lyons, a white supremacist attorney, moved there from Texas. "Patriot" leader Bo Gritz traveled to the region in the 1990s to hold paramilitary and survival training classes. The region boasted many so-called sovereign citizens, who believed the government had been subverted by a conspiracy and replaced with an illegitimate government-some even forming their own "common law" court.

A few months before Eric Rudolph was apprehended, another much wanted extremist fugitive, Steve Anderson, was caught in the same area. In October 2001, Anderson, a prominent Kentucky militia member and white supremacist, opened fire with an AK-47 on an eastern Kentucky deputy sheriff who had pulled Anderson's pipe-bomb laden pickup truck to the side of the road. He then fled into the wilderness. After eluding authorities for over a year, Anderson was apprehended by authorities on a farm in Cherokee County, the county where Rudolph lived and attended school (he recently pleaded guilty to weapons charges).

Christian Identity

Anderson and Rudolph had many things in common, but their most important shared attribute was an adherence to Christian Identity.

Steve Anderson was returning from a Carolina Christian Identity festival when the deputy sheriff pulled him over. In fact, Western North Carolina has more than its share of Identity believers. Ashville, North Carolina, is home to Identity preacher James Bruggeman's Stone Kingdom Ministries; Topton, North Carolina, is home to Northpoint Tactical Teams, an Identity group started by Nord Davis, Jr., who moved to the area in 1972 to build a large compound. Davis, a bombastic and egotistical individual who claimed as accomplishments feats such as ending the Vietnam War, had followers that included some of the most hardcore members of the militia movement. Davis was blunt about his views, telling one reporter who came to interview him, "If you are an enemy of God, I am obliged to kill you." Davis himself died in 1997 of prostate cancer, though he left behind a group of family members and followers.

Was He on His Own?

It is not yet known what assistance, if any, Rudolph may have received during his five years on the run. But even without assistance, Rudolph possessed an intimate knowledge of the country and considerable survival skills, traits that would make it extremely difficult for justice to catch up with him.

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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 01:05 pm
@BillRM,
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Sorry my friend but your logic if you can called it logic suck as there are Christian terrorists also,


Try the body count( in the now, no history) and tell me Christians are just as dangerous. Your comparison is ridiculous.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 01:37 pm
@coldjoint,
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Try the body count( in the now, no history) and tell me Christians are just as dangerous. Your comparison is ridiculous.


Tell that to the people who had have friends and family killed by Rudolph or by Timothy McVeigh for that matter or James Wenneker von Brunn and so on.

Oh it not body count, as Christians as Christians are not dangerous anymore then Muslims as Muslims only people who used whatever faith they was born into as an excused to killed others.

coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 02:04 pm
@BillRM,
You just refuse to accept the reality. I do think progressive ideas and propaganda has eroded Americas moral backbone.

70 short years ago the world stopped the Nazis, there is no difference in the ideology we are supposed to be fighting, not ******* enabling.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 02:08 pm
@coldjoint,
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Nazis, there is no difference in the ideology we are supposed to be fighting, not ******* enabling.


So every German was a Nazis and we should had hung all citizens who happen to had have German blood in them at the start of WW2?

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 02:11 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
70 short years ago the world stopped the Nazis, there is no difference in the ideology we are supposed to be fighting, not ******* enabling.
Actually, there were a few nations more than "we", the USA.
And National-Socialism was no nor is today a religion.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 02:37 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Actually, there were a few nations more than "we", the USA.


With special note of the former USSR.

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And National-Socialism was no nor is today a religion.


Hmm it surely have elements of a cult religion in my opinion.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 02:40 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

coldjoint wrote:
70 short years ago the world stopped the Nazis, there is no difference in the ideology we are supposed to be fighting, not ******* enabling.
Actually, there were a few nations more than "we", the USA.
And National-Socialism was no nor is today a religion.
It might confuse you again, coldjoit, but
- out of 78.8 million Germans, 8.5 million were members of the NSDAP (it was the only political party in Germany from 1937 until 1945),
- out of 7,238 million people in the world, 1,570 are Muslims.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 02:51 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Hmm it surely have elements of a cult religion in my opinion.
In the 1939 census, religious affiliations weren't questioned but for Jews.
The 1933 census counted 64.2 % Evangelicals (Protestants), 32.4 % Roman-Catholics, 0.1 % other Christians; 0.9 % Jews; 2,5 % others.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 03:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The quasi "Nazi-church" was the pressure group and movement within German Evangelicals/Protestants, called Deutsche Christen ("German Christians"), while most others stayed in the Bekennende Kirche ("Confessing Church").
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 05:24 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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And National-Socialism was no nor is today a religion.


******* PC is a religion in Europe. And the ideology of Islam was an inspiration for Hitler.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 05:25 pm
@coldjoint,
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And the ideology of Islam was an inspiration for Hitler.


LOL............
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 05:34 pm
@BillRM,
You need to do some research. You are looking like a fool.
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Have you read “Mein Kampf”? I have! Have you read the Koran? I have! If you look at both of them, it’s clear that Hitler was a Muslim. He examined Islam, he had the same ideas about society, struggle (“Kampf”) and family as Muslims. Hitler was one of us,” says Tarik S. The 20-year-old Turk is a Hitler fan and Jew hater. For him it is clear that Adolf Hitler was a Muslim. “What do you think, why didn’t Hitler do anything to a single Muslim? Because he loved Muslims, he wanted to be one of them, and thought it was a shame that he was born a Christian and so he converted later to Islam,” agrees Tarik’s Bosnian friend Mirza. What they are chatting about in a Bosnian café [in Vienna] and what has been spread about for years by Muslim firebrands, is also a big hit on the internet.

Internet hatred

In many internet forums there is major discussion of Hitler’s Muslim side. User “abu hazim” says this about it “[...] That’s the beginning of the end for Jews, crusaders and polytheists, the guilt is yours, you wanted war, now he’s making war on you. With Allah’s help we will triumph over the unbelievers. Hitler was a Muslim who secretly prayed to Allah and slaughtered the Jewish swine […]“

Suad knows internet forums like this. He participates in discussions there regularly: “Recently I expressed my opinion about the Jews under an Israel Youtube video. But my comments were blocked. I’m sure Hitler was a Muslim. He always fasted during Ramadan in an exemplary fashion and only said good things about Islam.” User Oguzhan Branx sees Hitler as an example: “ADOLF HITLER THE MAN DID EVERYTHING RIGHT THE ONLY THING WRONG WAS THAT A FEW ******* JEWS SURVIVED!!!! HITLER″


http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2012/10/hitler-was-muslim-who-secretly-prayed.html
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 05:38 pm
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Hitler admired Islam
Richard Miniter ^ | 11 09 2007 | drzz

Posted on 11/9/2007, 4:03:00 AM by drzz

Since both Charles Johnson and Paul Belien are friends of Pajamas Media (indeed, Charles was a co-founder), I have sat out their “blog war.” I can’t stay silent anymore.

In today’s Washington Times, Paul Belien has a terrific piece on Hitler’s surprisingly positive view of Islam. Johnson should read it and call a truce.

Here’s the back story: Johnson accused Belien and his band of associating with “neo-nazis”—i.e. the Vlaams Belang, Belgium’s largest voter getter in the most recent national election. Johnson seems to think that the Vlaams Belang is some tiny poisonous fringe, like the followers of Larouche.

In truth, it enjoys the largest support of any party in Belgium because it alone violates the political correct cordon that protects radical Islam in Europe. The party is the sole defender of the embattled Jews in Antwerp, who are regularly attacked by Muslim immigrants. The party has complained about the rising violent crime rate that bedevils Belgium—and there is little reason to doubt official statistics that Muslim immigrants are behind this horrifying rise in violent attacks. And so on.

(Excerpt) Read more at pajamasmedia.com ...
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 05:41 pm
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Hitler on Islam and the Muslims

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I found this on a forum called Islamic Awakening. Apparently, the writer, a Muslim, was proud that Hitler approved of his religion:

Salamu Alaikum i found this interesting article somewhere on a european forum like to share it!

"The only religion I respect is Islam. The only prophet I admire is the Prophet Muhammad." (Hitler, quoted by Ahmed Huber; Kevin Coogan, "The mysterious Achmed Huber: Friend to Hitler

Adolf Hitler on Islam and the Muslims


Read the rest at the link and learn something.

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2013/06/hitler-on-islam-and-muslims.html
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 05:49 pm
@coldjoint,
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Hitler was a Muslim.


As had been all the Popes for the last thousand years and of course at least the current US President and perhaps going back to George Washington.
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