Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread V

Last month, President tried to give a "don't worry, be happy" pep talk on the economy, only to be confronted with an actual voter, and being forced to acknowledge the economic "storm clouds."

Yesterday, in another economic speech, Bush was compelled to scale back the happy talk -- admitting, "We confront economic challenges," while begrudgingly conceding, "recent economic indicators have become increasingly mixed."

Ya think?

Unsurprisingly, Bush offered the same conservative elixir that already has failed to improve the economy for middle-class and impoverished families: reckless tax cuts.

That's because the conservative movement is not interested in having our government play a role in strengthening our economy. They're interested in coming up with excuses for more tax cuts so they can hamstring our government from working for us.

Tax cuts can certainly have a role to play to cushion the blow of an oncoming recession -- if they are temporary and geared towards the people being pinched, or crushed, by the faltering economy.

But Washington conservatives are not interested in economically potent tax policies. They're won't acknowledge past failures and offer new ideas.

They're simply interested in more handouts to those who are wealthy enough to be shielded by economic downturns.

Bush already tried that. It didn't lead to significant investment or employment growth. It didn't help raise average family income. It didn't fight poverty.

Furthermore, the Bush conservatives antipathy to effective government prevented them from having a long-term public investment strategy: investing in universal health care, renewable energy and quality education.

Such a strategy creates living-wage "green-collar" jobs, makes income go farther, and protects young adults from debilitating debt.

No tax cut can magically make those things happen, which is why none of that is happening now.

While Bush mouths the words "strong foundation" for our economy, the truth is without progressive investments, our foundations have weakened.

Reckless tax cutting did not create an economy that works for everyone. And it won't now.
http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/digging_economic_hole_deeper?tx=3

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One of the options, cut income taxes, is being considered by the current congress. They are a bunch of idiots working to further drown our struggling economy.

More of the same, Bush's tax cuts, has made our economy worse off; why can't people see it? Are they totally blind? Who can't see that seven million more Americans are living without health insurance, more have lost their homes with more on the way, and more middle-class have fallen into the poverty class.

Why are they so afraid to tax the rich to pay for this war and our infrastructure? Any other "option" will only exacerbate our current crisis to the last nail in the coffin.

We are doomed.

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So what (if anything) do any of you make of Bush ME tour?

A 'Swiss cheese' Palestinian state won't work, says Bush

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http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2008/01/10/bell512ready.jpg

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Bush's ME tour is his way of divorcing himself from the mess he created at home, and to acknowledge the simple fact that his last year in office will be "vacation" time - as usual. He doesn't have any influence in congress, and those who still support Bush will lose their posts during the next election cycle. Why not visit foreign countries where he'll be greeted with pomp and circumstance? I don't think he'll be invited to too many parties in the US.

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Quote:

Number of times Republican presidential candidates used the word "Reagan" during last night's Fox News debate: 34.

Number of times they used the word "Bush": 1.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/?last_story=/politics/war_room/2008/01/11/bush/

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Isn't this nice?

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ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates (AP) -- President Bush is praising small democratic advances in Gulf nations ruled by authoritarian family dynasties, while reassuring the oil-rich U.S. allies that he does not seek confrontation with Iran in their backyard.

Midway through an eight-day Mideast trip showcasing a renewed push for an Israeli-Palestinian peace pact, Bush was in the United Arab Emirates where he was to deliver a speech on Sunday, gently prodding the slowly liberalizing Arab states. His address, reprising his call for democracy in the Middle East and other places where it is scarce, was planned at an opulent, gold-trimmed hotel here where a suite goes for $2,450 a night.

''He will talk about how democracy and advancing freedom is the core of our country's foreign policy, and that he believes it is in our interest to have security through democracies,'' White House press secretary Dana Perino said.

Perino said Bush's speech will make the point that ''in a free society, elections are important, but they're not the only thing that's important.'' She said the speech will note the contributions of universities and other institutions to a free society.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Bush-Mideast.html

Unmentioned by Perino or in this piece is the upcoming sale to Saudi Arabia, to be announced on Bush's arrival there, of TWO BILLION DOLLARS worth of weapons sales from US corporations to SA.

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And the Baath Party is being elected into the Iraq government; something that seems like a nightmare to Bush and company, but kept a secret by the media to hide it from the American Public.

After all, we are making "progress" in so many other ways.

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Another "progress" report on our war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Report: 121 veterans linked to killings
Sun Jan 13, 9:08 AM ET

NEW YORK - At least 121 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans have committed a killing or been charged in one in the United States after returning from combat, The New York Times reported Sunday.

The newspaper said it also logged 349 homicides involving all active-duty military personnel and new veterans in the six years since military action began in Afghanistan, and later Iraq. That represents an 89-percent increase over the previous six-year period, the newspaper said.

About three-quarters of those homicides involved Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans, the newspaper said.

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Bush just announced another preemptive strike against a sovereign country, because they have WMDs.

Confront Iran danger early - Bush

Mr Bush is hoping to promote democracy in the Middle East

George W Bush
US President George W Bush has warned of the dangers he says are posed by Iran, in a speech in its Gulf neighbour, the United Arab Emirates.
Mr Bush said Iran threatened the security of all nations and should be confronted "before it's too late".

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cicerone imposter wrote:

One of the options, cut income taxes, is being considered by the current congress. They are a bunch of idiots working to further drown our struggling economy.

We also need spending cuts, thats the part of the solution that is always missing.

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Amen to that!

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Another "progress" report on our war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Report: 121 veterans linked to killings
Sun Jan 13, 9:08 AM ET

NEW YORK - At least 121 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans have committed a killing or been charged in one in the United States after returning from combat, The New York Times reported Sunday.

The newspaper said it also logged 349 homicides involving all active-duty military personnel and new veterans in the six years since military action began in Afghanistan, and later Iraq. That represents an 89-percent increase over the previous six-year period, the newspaper said.

About three-quarters of those homicides involved Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans, the newspaper said.

Whats your point with this?
Are you blaming Bush for this?
If you are, how is it the fault of anyone other then the people committing the crimes?

And will you blame Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon for all the crimes and homocides committed by Vietnam veterans?

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And how about all the crimes committed by WWII vets, are those FDR's fault?

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mysteryman wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
Another "progress" report on our war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Report: 121 veterans linked to killings
Sun Jan 13, 9:08 AM ET

NEW YORK - At least 121 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans have committed a killing or been charged in one in the United States after returning from combat, The New York Times reported Sunday.

The newspaper said it also logged 349 homicides involving all active-duty military personnel and new veterans in the six years since military action began in Afghanistan, and later Iraq. That represents an 89-percent increase over the previous six-year period, the newspaper said.

About three-quarters of those homicides involved Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans, the newspaper said.

Are you blaming Bush for this?

from the article c.i. referenced

Quote:

a Pentagon task force last year described the military mental health system as overburdened, "woefully" understaffed, inadequately financed and undermined by the stigma attached to PTSD

link to article (not sure which page it will take you to - long article

Quote:

I don't think I would blame President Bush 100% for what's been happening to veterans returning to Iraq, but the reading I've been doing does not suggest that he's taken much action to improve funding for services to veterans of the Iraq invasion. He's got some share of the blame.

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mysteryman wrote:

And will you blame Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon for all the crimes and homocides committed by Vietnam veterans?

Given the dearth of services for a lot of this group, and some of the unnecessary pain suffered (at least one A2K Vietnam vet committed suicide, partly as a result of lack of available services), I'd look to Americans who do not care enough to push their representatives for funding for care of their veterans.

Send them off to war, praise them for going, but don't forget about taking care of them when they get back. They deserve better than they're getting.

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Democrats calling them all war criminals after they send them there doesn't help.

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I need to correct the figure at the bottom below. It isn't two billion...it's ten times that much for the US war profiteers... twenty billion. There may be additional such sales to other middle east countries, I'm not sure at this point.

blatham wrote:

Isn't this nice?

Quote:
ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates (AP) -- President Bush is praising small democratic advances in Gulf nations ruled by authoritarian family dynasties, while reassuring the oil-rich U.S. allies that he does not seek confrontation with Iran in their backyard.

Midway through an eight-day Mideast trip showcasing a renewed push for an Israeli-Palestinian peace pact, Bush was in the United Arab Emirates where he was to deliver a speech on Sunday, gently prodding the slowly liberalizing Arab states. His address, reprising his call for democracy in the Middle East and other places where it is scarce, was planned at an opulent, gold-trimmed hotel here where a suite goes for $2,450 a night.

''He will talk about how democracy and advancing freedom is the core of our country's foreign policy, and that he believes it is in our interest to have security through democracies,'' White House press secretary Dana Perino said.

Perino said Bush's speech will make the point that ''in a free society, elections are important, but they're not the only thing that's important.'' She said the speech will note the contributions of universities and other institutions to a free society.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Bush-Mideast.html

Unmentioned by Perino or in this piece is the upcoming sale to Saudi Arabia, to be announced on Bush's arrival there, of TWO BILLION DOLLARS worth of weapons sales from US corporations to SA.

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okie wrote:

Democrats calling them all war criminals after they send them there doesn't help.

Which democrats have said this?

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Implied as such, by Kerry, Murtha, and Durbin, to name some.

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