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Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread V

 
 
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 10:23 am
okie wrote:
Also where the Clinton line began to drop was when the Republican Congress and Newt Gingrich began to affect the budget.


... and where the Bush line begins to increase was when the Republican Congress began to affect the budget also.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 10:24 am
Advocate, this is from personal memory, I would have to look it up, but I believe Reagan proposed eliminating a number of bureaucracies, and I believe one was the Department of Energy, and his ideas were laughed at and quickly put to death. Remember the group that did a study on wasteful spending around that time, I forgot the name?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2008 09:45 am
I've mentioned this one before. This is something for which Bush deserves notice and praise...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/washington/05aids.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2008 09:55 am
January 4, 2008, 6:50 pm
Employment: a tale of two administrations
For some perspective on the jobs picture, here's the employment-population ratio ?- the percentage of adults with jobs ?- since the beginning of the Clinton administration.


http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/ep_ratio.jpg
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2008 10:58 am
okie wrote:
Also where the Clinton line began to drop was when the Republican Congress and Newt Gingrich began to affect the budget.

Also note where 9/11 is on the graph and how the line appears to be about flat now after recovering from 9/11.

It would be interesting to see the Democratic Congress overlain on this graph. Reagan was a great president but the Democrats would not allow many of his proposals to cut bureaucracies to pass; remember Tip Oneill.


plz keep in mind that the OMB projections all take into account the expiration of Bush's tax cuts. That's why you see the graph flattening out near the end; a projected end to Bush.

That really says something about how terrible his policies have been...

CYcloptichorn
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2008 11:59 am
The NYT piece seems to give Bush credit for his tax and education policies. What a joke!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2008 12:10 pm
blatham, According to your chart, Bush did create jobs - after he destroyed more than he ever created.

Bush's current message is that our economy is still strong; he just doesn't understand what's happening to many of the middle-class and poor in this country.

His tax cuts in 2003 that promised more jobs just didn't materialize, and he wants to make his tax cuts permanent. All while he mortgages our children's future.

His legacy will be a doozy; Iraq war, recession, millions losing their health insurance and their homes, and increasing the federal deficit as if there's no tomorrow.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2008 03:38 pm
Note the earlier justifications/excuses for what the previous graph demonstrated. These guys are incapable of taking responsibility for the incompetence and destruction of the recent extremist ideologies of republican governance.

Their time is over. The smarter ones on the right know it and talk about it. These guys here aren't among the smarter ones, it seems.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 02:16 am
blatham wrote:
.... These guys are incapable of taking responsibility for the incompetence and destruction of the recent extremist ideologies of republican governance.

Their time is over. The smarter ones on the right know it and talk about it. These guys here aren't among the smarter ones, it seems.



I'm sure even the ones left here don't believe some of the stuff they write.

I believe what they're doing is called "whistlin' Dixie".
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 12:54 pm
At least whistling Dixie has a tune; their rhetoric has no tone.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 01:37 pm
"The administration crows that the economy grew?-by some 16 percent?-during its first six years, but the growth helped mainly people who had no need of any help, and failed to help those who need plenty. A rising tide lifted all yachts. Inequality is now widening in America, and at a rate not seen in three-quarters of a century. A young male in his 30s today has an income, adjusted for inflation, that is 12 percent less than what his father was making 30 years ago. Some 5.3 million more Americans are living in poverty now than were living in poverty when Bush became president. America's class structure may not have arrived there yet, but it's heading in the direction of Brazil's and Mexico's.
The Bankruptcy Boom

In breathtaking disregard for the most basic rules of fiscal propriety, the administration continued to cut taxes even as it undertook expensive new spending programs and embarked on a financially ruinous "war of choice" in Iraq. A budget surplus of 2.4 percent of gross domestic product (G.D.P.), which greeted Bush as he took office, turned into a deficit of 3.6 percent in the space of four years. The United States had not experienced a turnaround of this magnitude since the global crisis of World War II.

Agricultural subsidies were doubled between 2002 and 2005. Tax expenditures?-the vast system of subsidies and preferences hidden in the tax code?-increased more than a quarter. Tax breaks for the president's friends in the oil-and-gas industry increased by billions and billions of dollars. Yes, in the five years after 9/11, defense expenditures did increase (by some 70 percent), though much of the growth wasn't helping to fight the War on Terror at all, but was being lost or outsourced in failed missions in Iraq. Meanwhile, other funds continued to be spent on the usual high-tech gimcrackery?-weapons that don't work, for enemies we don't have. In a nutshell, money was being spent everyplace except where it was needed. During these past seven years the percentage of G.D.P. spent on research and development outside defense and health has fallen. Little has been done about our decaying infrastructure?-be it levees in New Orleans or bridges in Minneapolis. Coping with most of the damage will fall to the next occupant of the White House.

Although it railed against entitlement programs for the needy, the administration enacted the largest increase in entitlements in four decades?-the poorly designed Medicare prescription-drug benefit, intended as both an election-season bribe and a sop to the pharmaceutical industry. As internal documents later revealed, the true cost of the measure was hidden from Congress. Meanwhile, the pharmaceutical companies received special favors. To access the new benefits, elderly patients couldn't opt to buy cheaper medications from Canada or other countries. The law also prohibited the U.S. government, the largest single buyer of prescription drugs, from negotiating with drug manufacturers to keep costs down. As a result, American consumers pay far more for medications than people elsewhere in the developed world."
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712?currentPage=2
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 02:01 pm
Rama, It's been common knowledge to people who understands that the national GDP growth has not helped the middle-class and the poor in this country. Most income earners lost buying power while they produced more for their companies.

Republicans continue to push the fiction that our country continues to grow under Bush. They don't bother to understand the simple facts that seven million more Americans are without health insurance, millions are losing their homes, and more middle-class are falling into poverty.

Being blind to the realities must be a great benefit; it's probably close to being a masochist.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 02:21 pm
Bush and Cheney are clearly guilty of numerous impeachable offenses. They have repeatedly violated the Constitution. They have transgressed national and international law. They have lied to the American people time after time. Their conduct and their barbaric policies have reduced our beloved country to a historic low in the eyes of people around the world. These are truly "high crimes and misdemeanors," to use the constitutional standard.

From the beginning, the Bush-Cheney team's assumption of power was the product of questionable elections that probably should have been officially challenged -- perhaps even by a congressional investigation.

In a more fundamental sense, American democracy has been derailed throughout the Bush-Cheney regime. The dominant commitment of the administration has been a murderous, illegal, nonsensical war against Iraq. That irresponsible venture has killed almost 4,000 Americans, left many times that number mentally or physically crippled, claimed the lives of an estimated 600,000 Iraqis (according to a careful October 2006 study from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health) and laid waste their country. The financial cost to the United States is now $250 million a day and is expected to exceed a total of $1 trillion, most of which we have borrowed from the Chinese and others as our national debt has now climbed above $9 trillion -- by far the highest in our national history.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/04/AR2008010404308.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 03:16 pm
Thanks Ramafuchs, and good for George McGovern.

Shame it's taken six or seven years for this stuff to be openly said.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 03:50 pm
Unfortunately, most Americans are still immune from those facts that Rama's last article lists so clearly.

If they were understood by most Americans, the Bush republican party in the US would disappear from our landscape.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2008 04:06 pm
You can always do a swap for Taiwan c.i.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:55 am
Great List of Scandalized Administration Officials

Since a complete catalog of administration officials who've been accused of some form of corruption or abuse of power would be endless, we tried to maintain a high standard for inclusion. Most of those below were the subjects of criminal probes, but we also included officials who were credibly accused of acts that, if not criminal, were a corruption of office (like the U.S. attorney scandal). And even then, such officials were only included if their accusers had them dead to rights (which is why Karl Rove didn't make the cut). We also limited ourselves to officials who were either political appointees or whose actions were so political that they were effectively political appointees (like John Tanner).

Enjoy:

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004951.php
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:10 am
When a leader doesn't take responsibility for anything such as appointing losers and crooks, it's bound to inflect some wounds to the top honcho. Bush never apologized for anything he did wrong; he gets his message from god.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 12:19 pm
C I
And the God who is constantly in touch with this Guy is anything other than decent Humanbeing.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 12:40 pm
god acts in mysterious ways - most of the time.
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