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Canada -- an alternative for some Americans???

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jul, 2003 11:29 pm
CodeBorg, We used to own a limited partnership condo at Incline Village for the longest time, and we used to go up year round unti our kids got older. Those were the 'good old days.' Wink c.i.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jul, 2003 11:50 pm
My father had an aunt who lived by the Georgian Bay in Ontario...his mother was canadian, scotsirish. I visited there with my mom and dad a looooong time ago. That trip was memorable for a nine year old in that there was this old house, this plain landscape around it (not unlike my own house now, across a continent); for the rust in her bathtub (I must have needed to use the bathroom), the strange tea (milk in it!!), and the fact that the lady told me I could have the funny piano after a while. That never happened, and I sure wouldn't mind that v. antique piano now...

I am not very into geneology, but a friend is, and she has almost forced me to engage in a search. Have found out some things through her, that sort of tweak my interest. Anyway, I have one canadian name to check out....

On moving there, the thought has crossed my mind, hmm, BC, not so far away. But I am american and my vote counts and even if I could vote from there, my presence here counts a little bit. I hate to be taken for representing my government's stances at any given time, but who can I blame? We do that to everybody else, no?

I talk a bunch here and there about how I love italy. I would move there, but only part time...if I could afford to do such a thing. They have their own mess, of course, and if I did that, I would be much more without a say in the universe than I am now, here in my own small town.

So, I am here and I love my country. I am presently deeply aware of our flaws.
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Montana
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jul, 2003 12:29 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Set, The country up north has more seasons than just "winter." Believe it or not, when my wife and I go up there next month, we're expecting 80 degree weather. Wink c.i.


You can expect higher temps than that CI. It's been 100F here every day for over a week now and August is the hottest month.
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Montana
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jul, 2003 12:31 am
CodeBorg wrote:
Well, I'm sold.
I don't have any real ties to my current location, beautiful though
Lake Tahoe is, and I'm just tired of all the crap in the U.S.

My resume is going to companies in Canada at this moment. A truck and a trailer and I'm so outta here! Not to worry, I'll still campaign and participate in U.S. elections, but I'd rather not be a citizen because I'm discouraged by what America has become in the last couple decades. The U.S. is not by the people, for the people anymore.

Too crass, pushy, manipulative, political, bureaucratic, commercial, deceitful, superficial, disconnected, frantic, non-free, out of balance, and inhuman for my taste. I know three other people who used to work in Silicon Valley who are also in the process of moving to Canada. These are bright, sharp, talented people leaving the country --- entrepreneurs who create jobs and hire people. Hard work gets ripped off or abused too often in our business environment. So many things are scams in the U.S., without integrity or honesty.

Plus I'd rather have a sense of community, and I've always found Canadians to much more friendly and real. Good folk, stunningly beautiful country, and lots of unspoiled nature! :-)

Those are my reasons anyways. I have to imagine there might be a lag, but I think Mr. Bush's presence will be increasing the emigration statistics over the next year or two.



CB
We welcome nice people like yourself up in these parts ;-) I wish you the very best :-)
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jul, 2003 06:10 am
For those who are leaving good riddence and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jul, 2003 06:12 am
How very charming of you, Au, keep waving that flag frantically . . .
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jul, 2003 06:32 am
Setanta
These people remind me of the kid who does not like the way the game is going so he picks up the bat and ball and goes home. I don't have any more liking for this present administration than any of the rest but I am certainly not about to pick up my ball and go home with my tail between my legs.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jul, 2003 06:39 am
Well, Au, it seems to me that you're assuming a lot. I know some here have said they wish to leave because they don't like the situation. Others, such as i have, say they simply like Canada, and would like to live there. Montana's story is very instructive as well, although it is not for me to tell it--she's told the whole story elsewhere here. I did state early on in the thread that i thought the article quoted was polemical. I think it was tendencious, and i both despise the current administration, and the move toward "robber baron" capitalism by large corporations lately.

I also noted at the beginning of the thread that, historically, Americans have been the largest immigrant group in Canada. Far and away, they were looking for something there, as opposed to fleeing something here. And of course, we've had big fun here with all of the Canajuns who have come here and made their names known.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jul, 2003 07:02 am
Setanta
Quote:
Well, Au, it seems to me that you're assuming a lot. I know some here have said they wish to leave because they don't like the situation
More than some. I have seen similar sentiments voiced on other threads by people who are looking to leave for parts unknown because of conditions in the states. To them I can only state there are no chains to bind you. As for me I have lived through many changing administrations and know that every four years the people have a chance to change what they do not like. That is the beauty of America. God bless it.
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rcmitch
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 09:40 pm
Hey all,
New to the board here, but found it looking for info. Me and my partner are seriously considering a move to the North, from Ohio. Several reasons, ranging from personal to political, yet the fact remains, we just haven't decided yet.

For those Americans that have moved North. If you wish to, please tell me, honestly, what do you miss about the States? What is the best thing of your move? Any advice?

Thanks again,
RCMitch
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 8 Aug, 2004 10:56 pm
My sister moved to Vancouver. Then my parents moved there but I can't bear to leave here. If I could only spend half the year there it would be perfect.
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 12:38 am
rcmitch wrote:
Hey all,
New to the board here, but found it looking for info. Me and my partner are seriously considering a move to the North, from Ohio. Several reasons, ranging from personal to political, yet the fact remains, we just haven't decided yet.

For those Americans that have moved North. If you wish to, please tell me, honestly, what do you miss about the States? What is the best thing of your move? Any advice?

Thanks again,
RCMitch


You should start your own question on the subject, as you'd get more responses.

I moved to Canada over 4 years ago and I have no regrets at all. The only thing I miss about the states are the many friends I left behind. It's hard to come up with a best thing about my move, because everything is great.

The only advice I can think of is if you do decide to move up this way, rent or borrow a truck and move your own stuff. Don't hire a moving company. I made the mistake of hiring a moving company and it was a nightmare!!! Never again!!! If I had to do it again, I would have only brought the stuff with personal value and left all the furnature behind. It just wasn't worth the cost of having it shipped here.

I don't know what your citizenship is, but you'll have to look into that long before you make the move, since you can't just move up here without some kind of papers.

Were either of your parents born in Canada?

Also, any criminal record will prevent you from being able to live here. Not that you have one, of course. I'm just covering the bases.

Good luck to you.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 11:12 am
Montana, everyone in my band is anti bush. Can we crash at your house when we expatriate?
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 11:28 am
Moving to Canada is for those who give up. If people had that attitude when this country was born we would still be singing "God save the queen".
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 11:31 am
What political reasons could anyone actually have that would lead them to leave the US?

Hanging out with too many people from the other party? Is teh FBI bugging you every day? What's the deal?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 11:40 am
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What political reasons could anyone actually have that would lead them to leave the US?


Our rapidly dwindling environmental policies?

Lake Travis, the large lake west of Austin, was just measured for mercury and the results were rather scary. I found this article on the TXPIRG site:

Quote:
No More Mercury

What's New
Standing beside a giant inflated model of a fish in San Antonio on June 30, TexPIRG's Hugh Williams announced that over 600,000 Americans have written to the EPA since January criticizing the Bush administration's mercury pollution plan and calling for real action to reduce mercury pollution. This is nearly three times as many comments as EPA has ever received on any other rulemaking.

Instead of protecting mothers and children from mercury poisoning by cutting mercury emissions by 90 percent like it said was feasible, the Bush administration's proposal protects the energy industry by setting targets so weak that the industry will be allowed to continue polluting without using state-of-the-art mercury controls. In a July 8 opinion-editorial in the Austin American-Statesman, TexPIRG Advocate Luke Metzger wrote "The White House approach would allow a generation of children to needlessly suffer severe learning disabilities and other developmental and neurological disorders. It's time for Bush to start listening to the medical experts and the American public, instead of the polluters."


How You Can Help
Despite the public outcry, the Bush administration has made no serious effort to strengthen its rule. Since April, we have not heard anything from the administration except a stubborn defense of its proposal and that more Congressional oversight is needed. Please e-mail your senators and ask them to do everything within their power to stop the Bush administration's plan from going forward.

A Brief Summary
Like lead, mercury can cause severe neurological and developmental problems in unborn fetuses and very young children whose brains are still developing. The principal way that people are exposed to mercury is by eating fish, a staple of the American diet. The EPA and 43 states have issued advisories warning people, especially women and children, to avoid or limit eating fish. Even with such warnings in place, the Centers For Disease Control and Prevention estimate that 1 out of 6 U. S. women of childbearing age have unsafe levels of mercury in their blood.

Like we did with lead pollution that was emitted from American cars' tailpipes, we need to eliminate mercury pollution from its largest source: power plants. Electric power plants are the largest uncontrolled source of the country's mercury emissions, responsible for approximately 30 percent of it. And Texas' power plants lead the nation in mercury emissions. Two years ago, EPA's own scientists said current technologies could eliminate 90 percent of power plants' mercury emissions.

Unfortunately, the electric and coal industries have been pressuring EPA to do as little as possible. And it now appears that the Bush administration is buckling to that pressure. One EPA proposal announced this December allows more than six times more mercury than the reductions EPA's scientists said could be achieved. Another proposal, the EPA's preferred approach, no longer treats mercury as a toxic chemical, and allows power plants to emit six times more mercury between 2010 and 2018 and three times more mercury after 2018. Under this approach, power plants could avoid reducing mercury by buying credits and trading away emission reductions.

EPA should act without any further delay to protect people from the dangers of this extremely dangerous substance. EPA should require 90 percent mercury reductions from the power industry, consistent with the Clean Air Act's requirement that every plant use the most aggressive mercury controls.


http://www.texpirg.org/TX.asp?id2=13088&id3=TX&

I DO care about my family's health, yaknow...

Cycloptichorn
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 11:46 am
au1929 wrote:
Moving to Canada is for those who give up. If people had that attitude when this country was born we would still be singing "God save the queen".


and

McG wrote:
What political reasons could anyone actually have that would lead them to leave the US?



I've pointed this out before, and specifically to AU, but here goes again. For most of the history of Canada, Americans have been the largest single immigrant group. Why do you assume that anyone going to Canada is intent on "escaping," or "leaving something behind?" Does it not occur to you that people would go there seeking something?

I will probably end my days in Canadia. That's not because i consider things bad in the U.S. (lots of room for improvement, but not bad), but rather, i'm going there because of what i like about the country, and because my Sweetiepie lives there.

Really now, AU and McG are a matched set when it comes to this inverse of the "love it or leave it" claptrap.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 11:47 am
so move to colorado or vermont, but Canada? Rather extreme. But, as adults, everyone is entitled to lead their lives as we see fit. Just don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 11:49 am
I'd suggest you haven't much experience of Canada, if you refer to moving there as "rather extreme." Most days, an American wouldn't notice being in another country.
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 11:50 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Montana, everyone in my band is anti bush. Can we crash at your house when we expatriate?


Oh yeah!!! absolutely Bear. You know you guys are always welcome at the Montana ranch :-D
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