Quote:Well, I am biased...of course Canada is the best country in the world. Hey, we don't even need an army apparently.
You have one, cav, it is just that we Americans pay for it.
He's essentially right, Montana. We've a vested interest in the military security of our neighbors to the north. NORAD and all that's up there, and that is one long, long border.
Anywho, I'll stay here and keep pluggin away in the voting booth for what I think is right, and probably continue to be disappointed, at that. (It's just too damn cold up there...)
Well, if the US wants to pay for our military then that's their choice.
Do you have a link to where I can read about that?
You should be here today Patiodog, it's 100F outside today and has been for over a week now ;-)
ppdog - it's generally a lot hotter here in the summer than it is where you are. a lot hotter. we also have a few blisteringly cold days. I'll take them for the sunlight that we get that the coasts don't.
funny, i thought NORAD was just about over and done with. Turns out they're still around,
NORAD newsroom
Quote:July 14, 2003
Findley assumes NORAD Deputy Commander in Chief role
By TSgt. Devin Fisher, USAF
PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. - Canadian Forces Lt. Gen. Eric A. "Rick" Findley assumed duties as Deputy Commander in Chief, North American Aerospace Defense Command today during a change of office ceremony at the Peterson Air Force Base Officers Club.
Findley succeeds Canadian Forces Lt. Gen. Ken R. Pennie who is moving on to become Chief of Air Staff in Ottawa.
Gen. Ralph E. "Ed" Eberhart, NORAD Commander in Chief and Commander, U.S. Northern Command, officiated the ceremony that "...passes the responsibility and authority from one demonstrated leader to another."
Eberhart noted the two Canadian officers have been at the heart of NORAD, helping lead it into a post 9/11 world. While Pennie was instrumental in establishing air patrols, key infrastructure and integrated air defense in response to the Sept. 11 attacks, Findley was leading operations from the Cheyenne Mountain Command Center.
Quote:ppdog - it's generally a lot hotter here in the summer than it is where you are. a lot hotter. we also have a few blisteringly cold days. I'll take them for the sunlight that we get that the coasts don't.
funny, i thought NORAD was just about over and done with. Turns out they're still around, NORAD newsroom.
Well, I'm a born-and-bred central California boy. My displacement of the past (and future) few years will hopefully be rectified someday.
...and we'd never give up NORAD. You kidding? That's a major investment; we've got lots of cool toys and gadgets up there, just waiting for something to menace us so we can take them out and play...
ehBeth
Quote:au, if you'll recall, there was no right of return for those who went to Canada during the Vietnam war. That is when emigration from the U.S. to Canada was at its peak. It would appear that no right of return is not a significant factor in the decision for most people.
Left did you say, running away is more like it. They were running away from the threat of being drafted. I believe they were eventually given amnesty. How many returned I have no idea. But I suppose by then many had developed roots in Canada and chose to stay.
NORAD usually only crosses our consciousness once a year - when they're tracking Santa Claus
au1929 wrote:ehBeth
Quote:au, if you'll recall, there was no right of return for those who went to Canada during the Vietnam war. That is when emigration from the U.S. to Canada was at its peak. It would appear that no right of return is not a significant factor in the decision for most people.
Left did you say, running away is more like it. They were running away from the threat of being drafted. I believe they were eventually given amnesty. How many returned I have no idea. But I suppose by then many had developed roots in Canada and chose to stay.
As a matter of fact, I did not say left.
Your own quote of my post confirms that.
A minor point, but I would ask that if you're going to quote me, that you not attempt to translate my posts.
ehBeth
My oversight. I was just pointing out that the motivations were completely different.
Completely different how? Politically different? If so, why is moving away from the reach of a government that wants to conscript you to fight a war for which you are not willing to die not a political move? If motivated by quality of life -- well, how can such a move be seen to not improve one's quality of life?
I really don't see the difference. The stakes might have been higher, but a move is a move is a move.
patiodog
There is a hell of a difference between running away to escape being drafted into the service to fight and possibly die in a war. And leaving because you don't agree with the politics.
As to whether the Viet Nam war was justified or these folks were justified in leaving that is a different subject.
As far a Canadia bein' cold, that is no problem with me. I've lived most of my life in a warm climate, but i get sweaty and clammy just thinkin' about a sunny day. I have no problem with cold weather, 'cept that Lovey is always tellin' me to put pants on when i go out back in the wintertime for a late night smoke . . .
Seems to me that war is a logical extension (or consequence) of politics. Seems a matter of scale rather than quality to me, but it's just semantics anway.
Pants? What fer?
Pants?
I thought dogs did that instead of sweating....
Yes, Montana, as pdog astutely points out, the United States is at the ready to defend our neighbor to the north in the event of a conflict or invasion from other nations.
And yes, it's not as a result of our being a swell bunch of folks, but rather as a protection of our own interests.
Mexico is in the same position, due to proximity.
I want to move to Canada. I'm sick to death of the heat.
Without doing a string of quotes on those that went to Canada during the Vietnam, any right of return might have been considered moot as they had federal charges pending for draft evasion - until offered amnesty by Pres. Carter.
You are right about the draft evaders, roger. There was however, another group that came to Canada at the same time. And that is the group of people that disagreed with U.S. policy in regard to Vietnam, but were not in the group that could be drafted. I think a lot of people forget about them.
There were also families who moved here to prevent their children being drafted in the future, sometimes because they didn't want their children to go to war, sometimes because they disagreed with that particular war.
There were a lot of factors that went into people emigrating from the U.S. then, just as there are many factors that go into people emigrating anywhere, at any time.
I recall a lot of media coverage at the time of the amnesty. Not as many people took the U.S. up on the offer as expected. I'm not sure if anyone was disappointed, just a bit surprised.
ehBeth
Quote:I recall a lot of media coverage at the time of the amnesty. Not as many people took the U.S. up on the offer as expected. I'm not sure if anyone was disappointed, just a bit surprised.
I doubt that anyone was surprised since after the number of years that had elapsed most had put down roots. What the amnesty did do however, was to take the fugitive status from these people and allow them to freely visit the states and their families.
I wonder how many renounced their American citizenship
