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Obama placed under Secret Service protection

 
 
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 04:08 am
Whew!

I thought she was going to come after me next.

Oh and

Quote:
MM: Help me understand what credibility of Barack Obama has to do with the credibility of Jesse Jackson and the Rev. Sharpton? Careful, now....


Joe(There's some thinking to be done)Nation
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 05:57 am
Joe Nation wrote:
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The key word is "credible"!!!


And what, do tell us MM, do you find lacking in credibility as regards the Senator in question?

That is, based on either what you have read or observed in his speechs or legislative activities, what are three of the most glaring faults you can find in the candidate?

Joe(or is it, as we suspect, that you just don't like the look of him)Nation
Cool


If you would bother to pull your head out of you rear end,you would know that I dont find Obama lacking in credibility at all.

I have said before,and I will say it again,he is (right now) the only dem candidate I would vote for.


Vietnamnurse said...
Quote:
MM: Help me understand what credibility of Barack Obama has to do with the credibility of Jesse Jackson and the Rev. Sharpton? Careful, now....


Simple,neither Jackson or Sharpton were credible candidates,because they were both from the fringes of the dem party,IMHO.

Obama is a credible candidate because he doesnt bring the excess baggage that Sharpton and Jackson did.

IMHO,Obama is a credible candidate,Jackson and Sharpton were not.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 06:40 am
Hey Miller - if you're going to do multiple replies to specific posts, it would probably be good to get the 'quote' thing down first.

As it is, your nonsensical blather is just more nonsensical because not only does no one know what the hell you're talking about (as usual), they can't tell who the hell you're talking to, either.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 07:03 am
Miller wrote:
(Obama's wife has always been afraid that someone would try to kill her husband.)


No, she hasn't.

We've discussed this before.

(Currently, I'm out of patience with people who make an assertion, remain mum after I disprove that assertion, and then pop up with the self-same assertion a bit later.)

When asked during the 60 Minutes interview, Michelle said pretty much the opposite. What's your source?
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revel
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 07:29 am
I think the fact that he is does come off as a credible smooth talking good looking black man does threaten the racist who are threatening him. Racists are not deep and they don't need complicated reasons to feel threatened by those they hate.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 07:34 am
sozobe wrote:
Miller wrote:
(Obama's wife has always been afraid that someone would try to kill her husband.)


No, she hasn't.



I have to assume you know her better than I do, then.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 07:36 am
revel wrote:
Racists are not deep and they don't need complicated reasons to feel threatened by those they hate.


Do you mean all the black racists?
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 07:38 am
snood wrote:
Hey Miller - if you're going to do multiple replies to specific posts, it would probably be good to get the 'quote' thing down first.

As it is, your nonsensical blather is just more nonsensical because not only does no one know what the hell you're talking about (as usual), they can't tell who the hell you're talking to, either.


Scroll past them, assuming you know (!) how to scroll! Razz Razz Razz
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 07:40 am
sozobe wrote:


(Currently, I'm out of patience with people who make an assertion, ...


It looks like it's time for SOZOBE to pull that burr out of her butt!
Laughing Laughing Laughing

You want to borrow my king-sized forceps?
Rolling Eyes
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 07:41 am
Miller wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Miller wrote:
(Obama's wife has always been afraid that someone would try to kill her husband.)


No, she hasn't.



I have to assume you know her better than I do, then.


How can you resist such an astute and comprehensive rebuttal, Soz?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 07:41 am
Miller wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Miller wrote:
(Obama's wife has always been afraid that someone would try to kill her husband.)


No, she hasn't.



I have to assume you know her better than I do, then.


Are you saying you know her personally? (I'm not.)

I've read about her a fair amount, and I haven't yet read anything that said she's afraid her husband will get killed. What I have read stated that she wasn't particularly concerned. He might, but then he might get killed at the gas station, too. (I provided a link to this last time we talked about it.)

If you make an assertion, it seems like it should have some factual basis. If you don't have any factual basis, it seems like you should stop making the assertion. (I don't know anything for certain one way or another, would just like to see a cite that contradicts evidence I've already cited.)
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 07:58 am
sozobe wrote:
... If you don't know much about Obama...


If you want to know anything about OBAMA, talk to people who really know CHICAGO, not some NY reporter!

DUH... Crying or Very sad
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 08:13 am
You do get that I'm talking about an interview Michelle gave, herself, right?

Eh, whatever.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 08:07 am
Quote:
Obama downplays security bubble
Secret Service in tow during Iowa visit


By John McCormick
Tribune staff reporter

May 7, 2007

WATERLOO, Iowa -- He still lingered for dozens of photos, handshakes and book-signings, but there was a slightly different look and feel to Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign Sunday.

As Obama spoke to about 200 people in an elementary school gymnasium, there were at times six Secret Service agents who lined the room, covering every door. If someone approached with his hands in his pockets after the speech, he was quietly asked to show them.

It was the Democratic presidential candidate's first trip to Iowa or New Hampshire?-where campaigning in intimate settings is viewed as especially important?-since the Secret Service assigned a team Thursday for his security. It is the earliest a candidate, with the exception of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), has received such protection.

But Obama, who previously traveled with a smaller, private security detail, downplayed any change when asked how his new security bubble would make campaigning different.

"I'm very appreciative of their efforts," the Illinois senator said. "They are obviously extraordinary professionals."

His low-key campaigning in Waterloo, at two events that were not publicized much in advance, took place in a community that has the largest proportion of African-Americans among this state's largest cities.


Protection for candidates
During the school event and later at a Baptist church where Obama spoke, the agents were visible, but they hung back a bit from the candidate. Still, security is fresh on the minds of Obama and other candidates.

A Louisiana State University student was arrested late last week after he told another student he was planning a violent attack against Clinton.

While Clinton has been under Secret Service protection for years because of her status as a former first lady, the change in Obama's security left former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards as the only top Democratic candidate who maintains complete freedom of movement.

Edwards said late last week that he has no plans to request Secret Service protection.

"I personally would rather, as long as possible, have the freedom to be able to be with people, to not have barriers between me and them," he told CNN.

That flexibility can be a real advantage in states such as Iowa and New Hampshire where voters have long placed a premium on close interaction with candidates.

The Secret Service detail that surrounds Obama will inevitably create some sense of distance, just as it did for then-Vice President Al Gore when he campaigned in Iowa in 1999 and 2000 with a larger security detail.

While there are disadvantages to Secret Service protection, there are also significant upsides. It can help smooth some logistics, keep the campaign on time and provide a presidential aura.

All of the security carries a cost beyond the physical limitations placed on the candidate.

The Secret Service bill for protecting presidential candidates this election cycle is expected to cost about $107 million, up significantly from the roughly $73 million spent in the 2004 election cycle.

The Secret Service's director recently said he expects to spend $85.2 million in 2008 to protect presidential candidates. That's on top of this year's $21.4 million.

The increasing cost is partly a result of a wide-open race where for the first time since 1952 neither the president nor the vice president is a candidate.

The tradition of protecting major-party candidates started after Robert Kennedy was slain in June 1968 after his win in the California primary.


Safety serious concern
Security has been a serious concern for Obama's wife, Michelle, especially since he started to attract large crowds following his 2004 Democratic National Convention speech.

Still, she has downplayed her worries in recent months. Asked this year by "60 Minutes" whether she feared for her husband's life, she replied, "I don't lose sleep over it because the realities are that, as a black man, Barack can get shot going to the gas station."

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) has said Obama's need for a Secret Service detail has much to do with his race. And his race was an integral part of his campaigning Sunday.

As he travels the nation in a quest to become its first black president, Obama is wooing African-Americans, a vital constituency for his party.

In the early primary state of South Carolina, blacks account for as much as half of the electorate. And even in Iowa, a state that is mostly white, Obama is targeting potential black caucus participants.

Sunday was his second visit to Waterloo since his February presidential announcement. And he promised Sunday to return again and again.

Iowa is 92 percent non-Hispanic white and Waterloo's African-American population is about 8,500. The group represents 12.4 percent of the population, according to census data.

Obama started his day by meeting privately with about 75 mostly African-American ministers and pastors.

"He talked about how he didn't want to mix church and politics too much, but there is a need for some of it," said Carmen Johnson, a local minister who attended the private event. "Through his speaking you could see where his values lie."

[email protected]
Copyright © 2007, Chicago Tribune

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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 06:08 pm
Hillary has USSS protection now,but if she loses the election then she will lose the protection in 2010,according to the USSS.

http://www.secretservice.gov/protection.shtml
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2007 07:45 am
mysteryman wrote:
Hillary has USSS protection now,but if she loses the election then she will lose the protection in 2010,according to the USSS.

http://www.secretservice.gov/protection.shtml


Your point being what? Who cares?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2007 07:47 am
I thought it was interesting, actually. This thread has contained a lot of info about how the USSS works, that's pertinent IMO. (Especially that it's been amended to 10 years after leaving office from "for life.")
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2007 08:22 am
A thoughtful commentary in today's Chicago Tribune - I think.


Quote:
COMMENTARY

Obama's protection reveals ugly 'secret'


Leonard Pitts, a syndicated columnist in Washington: McClatchy-Tribune Newspapers

May 8, 2007

Not Rudy Giuliani, who is a supporter of abortion rights.

Not Tom Tancredo, who is a hard-liner on immigration.

Not John Edwards, who is a critic of the war in Iraq.

Only Barack Obama, who is black.

No other presidential candidate, no matter his or her polarizing positions, has felt it necessary to seek protection from the Secret Service. But last week we learned that Obama has sought and will receive that protection, the only candidate ever to do so this early in the process. Only one other candidate even has a Secret Service detail: Hillary Rodham Clinton. And that's because she's a former first lady.

You know who else required early protection? Jesse Jackson, when he ran for president in 1984 and '88.

Neither Obama's campaign nor the Secret Service will comment on precisely what went into the decision to assign a detail to the senator, beyond saying it was based on no specific threat. But one need not be a seer to divine the reason. Put it this way: The darker the candidate's skin and the more serious his candidacy, the earlier he seems to need protecting.

All of which adds a telling dimension to the ongoing debate about Obama and blackness that has percolated for months beneath the surface of his candidacy.

On the one side, you have earnest white people insisting that, because his mother was white, Obama is not really black, but "biracial."

On the other side, you have earnest black people insisting that, because his heritage does not trace to slavery, Obama is not really black enough -- that is, not black in a cultural sense.

Apparently, however, he is both black and black enough for whatever individual or individuals unnerved his handlers enough to seek Secret Service protection.

That's a truth that cuts the clutter.

In a sense, the fact that we have the luxury of debating "what" Obama is testifies to the racial progress this nation has made. Once upon a time, nobody had to debate. Back before Colin and Cosby and Condoleezza, before Air Jordan took wing and Johnson made Magic, before Oprah was America's favorite sister girl and Martin spoke of dreams, back when a Southern restaurant caused an international incident by refusing service to an African diplomat -- back in the day, there was no need of abstract rhetoric on what black is.

You knew. The world made sure of it.

If we have moved beyond that day, if we are proud to think ourselves more enlightened now, it is nevertheless naive to believe the naked meanness of that day has wholly disappeared.

It is fashionable now to speak of systemic racism and the need for black folk to take a greater hand in their own salvation. Those discussions are valid. But it is also occasionally instructive to remember that old-fashioned mean-as-a-snake, thick-as-a-brick hatred is still alive and well and living in the U.S.A.

Sometimes, it lolls in the shade of the intellectual cover provided it by the likes of Rush Limbaugh.

Sometimes, it is dressed in suit and tie and sounds reasonable when told by the likes of David Duke.

Sometimes, it is sung in wobbly adolescent voices by the likes of Prussian Blue.

And sometimes, it just rears up on its hind legs and brays that it will commit violence rather than accept a black man as its president.

We like to pretend this bile is not still in us. We like to pretend we are beyond it. Then the man who could be our next president must ask to be protected from those who think him too dark for the job.

Something to remember next time you are tempted to debate what black is. The world still has ways of making you know.

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Leonard Pitts is a syndicated columnist in Washington. E-mail: [email protected]
Copyright © 2007, Chicago Tribune
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eoe
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2007 12:10 pm
Absolutely. Not so very long ago, Barack Obama would have swung from a tree the same as any other black man in certain?-and many?-parts of this country.
What's the question? Rolling Eyes
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 06:14 am
He's gonna need it, bad. Ask Jim McDougal or Vince Foster why that might be.....
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