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House in Disarray - Democrats Dazed

 
 
cjhsa
 
Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 02:37 pm
GOP Forces House Democrats To Pull DC Voting Bill


House Democrats pulled a bill to grant voting rights to Washington, D.C., after Republicans offered a motion that would repeal the gun ban for the District.

The move is a clear signal that Democrats have lost control of House floor after minority Republicans presented the Democratic majority with a politically unpalatable motion that their conservative members would be forced to support for fear of angering the gun rights community.

Fifty-two Democrats voted with Republicans on a similar measure to repeal the gun ban in 2004. That would be more than enough support for Republcians to add a repeal to the voting rights bill - something a majority of Democrats would vehemently oppose.

Republicans have taken great pride in offering motions to recommit during their time in the minority, an often over-looked legislative procedure that has allowed them to amend various bills on the House floor.

Democratic Rep. Ellen Tauscher of California, who presided in the chair when the House began consideration of the motion, called the postponement at the request of her leadership, saying the speaker has complete discretion to postpone consideration of any legislation at any time.

Democrats scrambled to remedy the situation on the floor but were eventually forced to pull the bill to begin debate on a controversial wartime funding measure that is expected on the floor Friday. Republicans could offer a similar procedural motion to slow consideration of that measure whenever it comes to the floor.

The House was expected to approve the bill to grant Washington, DC, with a vote in the House by a wide margin, with several Republicans expected to vote in favor of the overarching legislation.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 05:17 pm
This thread sure has an impressive title.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 05:22 pm
He copied it straight from drudge but didn't have the integrity to link to it or the Politico, where the article ran - with a different title.

Cycloptichorn
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 06:10 pm
aren't politico the folks who broke the story that John Edwards was ending his campaign prior to the press conference.....great source.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 06:28 pm
Ah yes, the Democrats are dazed and in disarray..

The other day in the Senate, for example, when Al Gore was facing Republican blowhard James Inhofe, how dazed and disarrayed the Dems were..

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Inhofe didn't disappoint. Before the hearings even began, his aides were flitting around the aisles, inundating reporters with fliers: An Inhofe op-ed that claimed, "[W]e are all skeptics now," and a pamphlet produced by the Competitive Enterprise Institute that called Gore's An Inconvenient Truth "One-Sided, Misleading, Exaggerated, Speculative, Wrong." (The latter came packed with footnotes full of disinformation.) As Barbara Boxer, the new chairman of the committee, announced the rules for the hearing, Inhofe immediately started in with the cavils, like a child whining about dinner. "You've got a great friend running this show," he huffed at Gore, complaining that his written testimony hadn't been turned in on time. "She's made all sorts of exceptions for you." Boxer glowered, informed Inhofe that he was being ridiculous, and then announced, "I am not going to tolerate interruptions!" If anyone was enjoying the end of the Inhofe regime, it was her.

That was just an aperitif. During the questioning period, Inhofe asked Gore about his own personal energy use--a fevered right-wing meme that, of course, has no actual bearing on climate-change policy. When Gore calmly tried to point out that his family purchases non-carbon green energy, Inhofe cut him off. Bad move. Boxer retorted, "How can you ask a question and not give him a minute to answer?" A short while later, after Inhofe brought up a recent New York Times hatchet job that criticized Gore's documentary (the piece has been dissected here and here), he declared that he didn't want to hear Gore's answer, since it would take too long. "You can submit it in writing," he added with a sneer. Boxer, like a mother losing her patience, barked, "Would you agree to let the vice president answer your questions?" When Inhofe sputtered in protest, Boxer waved her chairman's gavel in front of his face: "No, you're not making the rules. You used to when you had this. But elections have consequences!" The room erupted in cheers. A red-faced Inhofe slumped back in his chair. Bernie Sanders had his head in his hands, laughing hysterically.

Gore himself [..] was at his best when he stopped trying to inspire and started trying to explain. What he really wanted to discuss was science and policy--to wade in the muck. At one point, Kit Bond mentioned that global warming might be caused by sunspots rather than manmade greenhouse gases. (Bond actually had to mumble the question twice--presumably he had been handed some lines and had no idea what he was reading.) Gore, unfazed, explained patiently that Bond's theory was inconsistent with observed temperature changes in the troposphere and stratosphere. When Republican after Republican badgered Gore about nuclear power, he replied that nuclear could play a small role in replacing oil, but that building lots of "extra-large" plants was a risky bet in an uncertain energy market. The same innate nerdiness--that same desire to lecture and wonk out--that caused the former vice-president so much grief on the campaign trail had finally found a perfect outlet. [..]

But that didn't stop Gore from reaching out to Republicans and acting like an elder statesman, above politics. Despite Inhofe's antics, Gore invited the Oklahoman out to lunch to discuss climate change (Inhofe demurred). Much of his testimony, interestingly enough, appeared to be aimed at Senator John Warner, a Republican graybeard who commands a great deal of respect within his own party. Gore appealed to the armchair historian in Warner by invoking the battle of Thermopylae, couched environmental issues in military terms, and reminded Warner frequently of the work they had done together on national security issues. [..] The Virginia senator nodded gravely the entire time, and, when he finally spoke, said, "You have thrown down a very tough challenge, and I'm prepared to take some risks and fight for you and our chairman." [..]
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 07:07 pm
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When Gore calmly tried to point out that his family purchases non-carbon green energy,


OK,what is this?
What are "carbon credits"

If its "green energy",how does it get to his house?
Does it use transmission lines or pipelines?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 07:36 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_energy

Basically it's energy produced by renewable resources, which do not impact the environment in a (very) negative fashion - at the very least, far cleaner than other sources of energy.

What happens is that you choose the 'clean energy' program with your power company, pay a higher rate than normal, and then the energy company uses that to pay for the renewable energy plants. The more people sign up for it, the more renewable plants they can open.

The energy which comes down your pipes comes from the same grid as the rest of the energy, yes; both renewable resources and regular ones dump into the same grid. So technically the electricity which powers your homeisn't necessarily generated by the clean source. But that's really not that big an issue; they might as well be, because you're just paying for someone else to use that, then.

Cycloptichorn
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 08:02 pm
There is no such thing as "green" energy. It's just a rug to pull over the eyes of the gullible. I've worked in energy - they are only in it for money.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 08:08 pm
Green energy - It's what cjhsa produces when he sees someone with a bigger gun than he has.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 08:14 pm
cjhsa wrote:
There is no such thing as "green" energy. It's just a rug to pull over the eyes of the gullible. I've worked in energy - they are only in it for money.
Laughing Laughing Laughing
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 08:22 pm
Bill, is electricity green?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 08:43 pm
Gore buys "carbon credits" from a company he owns.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 08:43 pm
Have you been Drunk
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 08:51 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Have you been Drunk


Me? Nah.

linky
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 09:50 pm
That was actually for CJ; he's been making bizarre comments all over the board tonight.

Btw, that link is a cheap slam job. High entry fees are the norm in high risk pre-IPO investments. The idea is to stop smooth talkers from talking Grandma into a second mortgage for the latest "sure thing".
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 23 Mar, 2007 05:39 am
You didn't address my question. Is electricity green?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 23 Mar, 2007 06:24 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
That was actually for CJ; he's been making bizarre comments all over the board tonight.

Btw, that link is a cheap slam job. High entry fees are the norm in high risk pre-IPO investments. The idea is to stop smooth talkers from talking Grandma into a second mortgage for the latest "sure thing".


Despite the rhetoric, the facts behind the article are there. Gore advertises his purchasing of carbon credits to offset his travel and personal energy use. Yet he hasn't disclosed that he owns the company that he is buying his carbon credits from. He is paying himself to have a better image with the hippies.

Seems to be working as he is now a prophet according to some.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 23 Mar, 2007 07:25 am
You guys think Gore is a hypocrite because he invests in companies that develop green energy?

Rolling Eyes

You need to learn something about the investment world McG. You don't make money from an investment unless that investment makes money. Nor do you "own the company" if you sit on the board.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 23 Mar, 2007 07:27 am
Then why all the hubbub about Cheney once being the CEO of Haliburton?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 23 Mar, 2007 07:38 am
Chief Executive Officer is someone who runs the company.


A member of the board of directors is someone who hires people like the CEO.
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