How long will christians take this???

What's the point? All you are going to do is what you have already done; wave your book and say "The bible contradicts everything in that article." You dismissed a Talmudic scholar saying that he must not have read the bible. You are not looking for a discussion on this, so yeah, I'm going to the next topic.
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I think there is a lot of evidence of God. Romans says that God has revealed himself through nature to all men. I can see God's footprints in his creation. When i get up in the morning and see the sun rising over the peaks of the mountains, I see the glory of God. When i see the vast array of flowers and watch the sunset, I see that God is an artist. And when i hold my little boy and he hugs me and smiles up at me, I see that God is a father. I know there is a battle right now between creation science and evolution. And while i am not that knowledgable in science, I believe there is a God and he created all things.

I couldn't agree with you more here Kate. I should have clarifed my statement. From posting here on A2K, I have gotten kind of used to the proof meaning "empirical evidence" as I have often been reminded.

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kate4christ03 wrote:

I think there is a lot of evidence of God. Romans says that God has revealed himself through nature to all men. I can see God's footprints in his creation. When i get up in the morning and see the sun rising over the peaks of the mountains, I see the glory of God. When i see the vast array of flowers and watch the sunset, I see that God is an artist. And when i hold my little boy and he hugs me and smiles up at me, I see that God is a father. I know there is a battle right now between creation science and evolution. And while i am not that knowledgable in science, I believe there is a God and he created all things.

I couldn't agree with you more here Kate. I should have clarifed my statement. From posting here on A2K, I have gotten kind of used to the proof meaning "empirical evidence" as I have often been reminded.

It is troubling to me that between the time of timberlandko's passing and the announcement of it on this forum that you two return after a long absence to resume in concert your mindless drivel without any sign that you have learned one iota from your interaction with him. What a squandered opportunity.

It is troubling to me that between the time of timberlandko's passing and the announcement of it on this forum that you two return after a long absence to resume in concert your mindless drivel without any sign that you have learned one iota from your interaction with him. What a squandered opportunity.

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It is troubling to me that between the time of timberlandko's passing and the announcement of it on this forum that you two return after a long absence to resume in concert your mindless drivel without any sign that you have learned one iota from your interaction with him. What a squandered opportunity.

pretty low mesquite........

Ask yourself a question, please. What good would a god be if that god HAD to prove himself to you? That god would be pretty useless I'd say. God is HIGHER than man not lower. My demanding proof of His existence would be the height of arrogance for me.

Until one can grasp with God ALL things are possible and really accept and believe that without that PROOF, then I don't think one can really know God. But, that's just my opinion. I believe that God CAN make a rock so heavy He can't lift it. How? The heck if I know how! I just know He can do it.

Seems to me even though all those miracles were performed and witnessed by so many, so many still don't believe. So, it seems, for some, there will never be enough proof.

God does not make us do anything. We all have a free will and we make the choice between good and bad constantly. Blaming God for every bad thing or anything at all only goes so far. Yes, He allows things. He allows us to make mistakes. He allows murderers to murder, liars to lie, thiefs to steal, but He doesn't make them do it. We all have to take responsibility for the choices we make and our own actions.

What good would he be? He'd infinitely more effective! God proving its own existance doesn't mean that God answers dares, but at bare minimum it should at least have a REAL presence, NOT an implied one. Why should man have to translate it's actions, why can't God speak for itself.

Sure. What good is infinite power in the univesre; ALL the power in the universe, what good is infinite knowledge; absolute perception and clarity, what good is infinte resourses if you are going to pick and choose. You may know he can make a rock, but it's meaning less unless he DOES it. If God gave man the ability to choose, he hasn't demonstrated "choice" in his actions, excluding the choice of inaction.

Entertain the notion that these unnamed "miracles" have happend, and further that they are unexplainable by mans understanding. Does that mean that they were manifested by a being above the rules of the universe? Perhaps man's knowledge of natural law is still blossoming.

The world used to be flat.
The Sun used to orbit the Earth.
wait... they never were! We only accepted them as being such. The same goes for miracles. God recieves far too much credit for the amazing things that happen in our lives.

You can't have your cake, and climb K-2. lol.

When good things happen in this world, it's God. When bad things happen, it's Man. Man does many great things without God.

Yes indeed.

I also agree with you that all of the Big Bird's efforts with the God squad have likely been wasted, because they don't come here to learn, or to examine their beliefs. They only come here to prate about the excellence of their spiritual understanding, to peddle their personal and particularist version of biblical exegesis, and to deplore the depravity of anyone who has the temerity to think differently than do they.

Yes shame on us for sticking by what we believe..........

I wonder how many atheists and agnostics, throughout the yrs have come in here with openminds, examined their beliefs and ended up becoming religious?? Not many i bet.........

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What good would he be? He'd infinitely more effective! God proving its own existance doesn't mean that God answers dares, but at bare minimum it should at least have a REAL presence, NOT an implied one. Why should man have to translate it's actions, why can't God speak for itself.

Now, ask yourself another question. Who are YOU to define what God SHOULD BE and DO? He's God. You ain't. :wink: [/color]

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Sure. What good is infinite power in the univesre; ALL the power in the universe, what good is infinite knowledge; absolute perception and clarity, what good is infinte resourses if you are going to pick and choose. You may know he can make a rock, but it's meaning less unless he DOES it. If God gave man the ability to choose, he hasn't demonstrated "choice" in his actions, excluding the choice of inaction.

Did you know that when He created Adam and Eve they were perfect? PERECT! They made the choice to sin. We make that choice. But He started the human race out perfect. So, let me see, you would have God make everything perfect? Hmmm, you want to be a robot, do you?

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Entertain the notion that these unnamed "miracles" have happend, and further that they are unexplainable by mans understanding. Does that mean that they were manifested by a being above the rules of the universe? Perhaps man's knowledge of natural law is still blossoming.

If you think they are unnamed then you lead me to believe you don't even read the Bible. The Bible DOES name them.

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The world used to be flat.
The Sun used to orbit the Earth.
wait... they never were! We only accepted them as being such. The same goes for miracles. God recieves far too much credit for the amazing things that happen in our lives.

All I can tell you is to ask God for the truth. He'll give it to you if you honestly and diligently seek it from Him. If you don't, well, the day you stand before Him and He asks you why you don't believe, make it easy on Him, just give Him the link to A2K! :wink:

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You can't have your cake, and climb K-2. lol.

When good things happen in this world, it's God. When bad things happen, it's Man. Man does many great things without God.

The Bible says, "Without Faith, it's impossible to please God."[/color]

Kate, I suspect that any lack of conversions to religiosity would be due to the quality of arguments put forward rather than lack of openmindedness

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What's the point? All you are going to do is what you have already done; wave your book and say "The bible contradicts everything in that article." You dismissed a Talmudic scholar saying that he must not have read the bible. You are not looking for a discussion on this, so yeah, I'm going to the next topic.
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if you remember correctly u began this convo by making outrageous claims about the teachings of christianity and you pasted an article to give those opinions credence. All i have done is counter those claims by showing that the bible (which was supposedly used by that "scholar") contradicts what he said. You are going to the next topic bc you have nothing. Those "opinions" on christianity that you gave are false. And when the debate is on teachings in the bible, I have every right to use the bible to prove or disprove something that is being discussed.

I'll second that--Mesquite, you are a low and vile realist, and in a decent, Christian nation, you'd be locked up.

I also agree with you that all of the Big Bird's efforts with the God squad have likely been wasted, because they don't come here to learn, or to examine their beliefs. They only come here to prate about the excellence of their spiritual understanding, to peddle their personal and particularist version of biblical exegesis, and to deplore the depravity of anyone who has the temerity to think differently than do they.