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How long will christians take this???

 
 
kate4christ03
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 06:47 pm
Science is not my forte. But if you can easily paste from a site, I will do the same...go to answersingenesis.org. Scientist Ken Ham covers some of those things your site says contradicts the bible..Also, do you have facts for each of the items you pasted?I went to the site and just saw an article which shows no point of reference for any thing listed that supposedly contradicts the bible(ie archaeology, astronomy facts).Now back to your initial post on paul and Christ, are you not even going to respond to what i have written? or are we now jumping to the next topic?
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 07:00 pm
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I went to your answersingenisis.org. I was hoping for something of actual merit, instead I was told that sauropods weren't on Noah's ark. The "scientists" are quoted, but they never hav names. It does give a size for Noahs ark: "at least 450ft," I'm an engineer and a structure of this size would be destroyed by its own weight. No wood would be able to support its own weight as a solid structure as the bible suggests. Noah would have sunk, just as the Abrahamic arguement for the origin of the species.
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 07:16 pm
The ark was roughly 450 ft long, 75 ft wide and 45 feet high. My dad is also an engineer and he said it would have been very stable Very Happy

and i went back to the site and typed in (scientists who believe in creation) and it gave a tab you can click on to see different scientists etc and some of their writings
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 07:31 pm
The ark was roughly 450 ft long, 75 ft wide and 45 feet high. My dad is also an engineer and he said it would have been very stable Very Happy

and i went back to the site and typed in (creation scientists) and it gave a tab you can click on to see different scientists etc and some of their writings
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 07:32 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
The ark was roughly 450 ft long, 75 ft wide and 45 feet high. My dad is also an engineer and he said it would have been very stable Very Happy

and i went back to the site and typed in (scientists who believe in creation) and it gave a tab you can click on to see different scientists etc and some of their writings


Wow. I'll have to calculate the mecahnics of something that size in my free time. I'll be sure to post my results. As a second thought, I am interestes to see what kind of bouyancy a craft of that volume would create. If I can prove that it would weigh more than the maximum bouyancy (in a VERY VERY salty water), it won't matter if it would be structurally sound.
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 08:09 pm
diest all that is french to me ....lol as i said My father is an engineer nerd and i will get some more input from him...
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 08:17 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
diest all that is french to me ....lol as i said My father is an engineer nerd and i will get some more input from him...


This is actually kind of exciting. I haven't been given a challenge in a while which i wa actually interested in.
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littlek
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 08:28 pm
Maybe Diest can chat with Kate's dad about engineering. Remember, if the water was rising because of rain (which is preposterous - there's a finite amount of water on earth), the salinity of the oceans would be decreased.
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 09:54 pm
TKO have at it...that kind of stuff bored me to tears...lol..Some may call me naive, but I will just go on faith.......
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 10:16 pm
littlek wrote:
Remember, if the water was rising because of rain (which is preposterous - there's a finite amount of water on earth),


The Bible doesn't say that the only source of water in the Flood was rain.

littlek wrote:
the salinity of the oceans would be decreased.


True, adding large amounts of water to seas already existing could possibly decrease salinity, although assumptions about the amount of salt either before or after are strictly conjecture, since the additional water (not the rain) may have been highly saline also.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2007 05:07 pm
Why do so many seem to leave out the God factor concerning the flood? If God said there was a flood, there was a flood. Does it matter how it happened? He could have wiggled His nose, toes, or ears if that were how He wanted it to happen. It doesn't matter how it happened, just that it did and it was caused by God. I'm with Kate on this, I'm going on faith. Laughing
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Pauligirl
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2007 08:50 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
Science is not my forte. But if you can easily paste from a site, I will do the same...go to answersingenesis.org. Scientist Ken Ham covers some of those things your site says contradicts the bible..Also, do you have facts for each of the items you pasted?I went to the site and just saw an article which shows no point of reference for any thing listed that supposedly contradicts the bible(ie archaeology, astronomy facts).Now back to your initial post on paul and Christ, are you not even going to respond to what i have written? or are we now jumping to the next topic?


What's the point? All you are going to do is what you have already done; wave your book and say "The bible contradicts everything in that article." You dismissed a Talmudic scholar saying that he must not have read the bible. You are not looking for a discussion on this, so yeah, I'm going to the next topic.
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Pauligirl
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2007 08:57 pm
real life wrote:
littlek wrote:
Remember, if the water was rising because of rain (which is preposterous - there's a finite amount of water on earth),


The Bible doesn't say that the only source of water in the Flood was rain.

littlek wrote:
the salinity of the oceans would be decreased.


True, adding large amounts of water to seas already existing could possibly decrease salinity, although assumptions about the amount of salt either before or after are strictly conjecture, since the additional water (not the rain) may have been highly saline also.


Other than marsh grass, what grows in salty soil? What did all the herbivores eat after they disembarked ?
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Pauligirl
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2007 09:04 pm
Arella Mae wrote:
Why do so many seem to leave out the God factor concerning the flood? If God said there was a flood, there was a flood. Does it matter how it happened? He could have wiggled His nose, toes, or ears if that were how He wanted it to happen. It doesn't matter how it happened, just that it did and it was caused by God. I'm with Kate on this, I'm going on faith. Laughing


Well, that's one way to end a debate.
I'm sure you've been told that there's no evidence for a worldwide flood.

So, when do you think this Biblical flood happened?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2007 10:12 pm
Pauligirl wrote:
Well, that's one way to end a debate.
I'm sure you've been told that there's no evidence for a worldwide flood.

So, when do you think this Biblical flood happened?
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Haven't a clue and actually it doesn't matter to me when it happened. What matters is the Bible said it did and God's word is more than enough for me.

I am one that firmly believes God is not going to put the kind of evidence so many say they need to believe, on this earth. It's not about proof. It's about faith. :wink:
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2007 01:08 am
Arella Mae wrote:
Pauligirl wrote:
Well, that's one way to end a debate.
I'm sure you've been told that there's no evidence for a worldwide flood.

So, when do you think this Biblical flood happened?
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Haven't a clue and actually it doesn't matter to me when it happened. What matters is the Bible said it did and God's word is more than enough for me.

I am one that firmly believes God is not going to put the kind of evidence so many say they need to believe, on this earth. It's not about proof. It's about faith. :wink:




Snort.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2007 02:14 am
Arella Mae wrote:
Haven't a clue and actually it doesn't matter to me when it happened. What matters is the Bible said it did and God's word is more than enough for me.

I am one that firmly believes God is not going to put the kind of evidence so many say they need to believe, on this earth. It's not about proof. It's about faith. :wink:


Why would God creat such a president? Why must the universe be about "faith", further "blind faith?"

I have "faith" in many things in this world. I have faith in things with proof.

The idea of Gos not leaving any evidence, is more of and arguement that God does not desire to be discovered. Why? Why then later have miricles? Why try and hide your foot prints if later you're going to write god in the sand. Anyone can write god in the sand, but our foot print is unique.

Go ahead and put faith in the letters in the sand, I'll wait for the foot print.
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2007 07:15 am
I think there is a lot of evidence of God. Romans says that God has revealed himself through nature to all men. I can see God's footprints in his creation. When i get up in the morning and see the sun rising over the peaks of the mountains, I see the glory of God. When i see the vast array of flowers and watch the sunset, I see that God is an artist. And when i hold my little boy and he hugs me and smiles up at me, I see that God is a father. I know there is a battle right now between creation science and evolution. And while i am not that knowledgable in science, I believe there is a God and he created all things.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2007 09:17 am
Diest TKO wrote:
Why would God creat such a president? Why must the universe be about "faith", further "blind faith?"

I have "faith" in many things in this world. I have faith in things with proof.

The idea of Gos not leaving any evidence, is more of and arguement that God does not desire to be discovered. Why? Why then later have miricles? Why try and hide your foot prints if later you're going to write god in the sand. Anyone can write god in the sand, but our foot print is unique.

Go ahead and put faith in the letters in the sand, I'll wait for the foot print.


Ask yourself a question, please. What good would a god be if that god HAD to prove himself to you? That god would be pretty useless I'd say. God is HIGHER than man not lower. My demanding proof of His existence would be the height of arrogance for me.

Until one can grasp with God ALL things are possible and really accept and believe that without that PROOF, then I don't think one can really know God. But, that's just my opinion. I believe that God CAN make a rock so heavy He can't lift it. How? The heck if I know how! I just know He can do it. Laughing

Seems to me even though all those miracles were performed and witnessed by so many, so many still don't believe. So, it seems, for some, there will never be enough proof.

God does not make us do anything. We all have a free will and we make the choice between good and bad constantly. Blaming God for every bad thing or anything at all only goes so far. Yes, He allows things. He allows us to make mistakes. He allows murderers to murder, liars to lie, thiefs to steal, but He doesn't make them do it. We all have to take responsibility for the choices we make and our own actions.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 21 Mar, 2007 09:18 am
kate4christ03 wrote:
I think there is a lot of evidence of God. Romans says that God has revealed himself through nature to all men. I can see God's footprints in his creation. When i get up in the morning and see the sun rising over the peaks of the mountains, I see the glory of God. When i see the vast array of flowers and watch the sunset, I see that God is an artist. And when i hold my little boy and he hugs me and smiles up at me, I see that God is a father. I know there is a battle right now between creation science and evolution. And while i am not that knowledgable in science, I believe there is a God and he created all things.


I couldn't agree with you more here Kate. I should have clarifed my statement. From posting here on A2K, I have gotten kind of used to the proof meaning "empirical evidence" as I have often been reminded.
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