Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread IV

maporsche wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Whats funny is that the people crowing about how low Bush's poll numbers are going seem to be ignoring the fact that congress as a whole,and Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi individually,all have lower poll numbers then Bush.

Congress always has low poll numbers, falling from 30% to 20% is not quite as impressive as falling from 70% to 30%. Sure, 20% is lower than 30%, but it's a 50% drop compared to a 10% drop.

And besides, the country elects the President, individual Congress members only have to answer to their own districts. There is nothing I personally can do about Reid or Pelosi, but I do have a voice in voting for the President.


What's funny is that you keep trolling this out.

Whats even funnier is that you cant read.

This is the first time I have mentioned it at all.

The Siegelman prosecution was commenced as the result of a plan hatched between senior figures in the Alabama Republican Party and Karl Rove. This connection is not coincidental, because Rove was once fired by the first President Bush and then had to rehabilitate himself. Rove did this in spades, and the place where he worked his political magic was in Alabama. He put together a campaign to engineer the Alabama GOP's capture of the state's judicial machinery. It worked brilliantly. And Rove has retained tight connections with the Alabama GOP ever since. Rove and the Alabama GOP leaders set out to destroy Siegelman's political career and thus smooth the path by which the Republican Party could secure and retain political control of the Alabama statehouse. It was crafted in such a way as to retard the ability of Democrats to raise money from campaign donors so that they might contest office in Alabama. Each of these purposes is "corrupt." Key to this plan was the use of the machinery of the Department of Justice for its completion - involving the U.S. attorneys offices in Birmingham and Montgomery, and the Department of Justice in Washington. Rove was in a position to make this work and he did so.

The curtain was pulled back on this plan when Dana Jill Simpson, a Republican lawyer who previously worked on a campaign against Siegelman, decided to blow the whistle. Her affidavit described William Canary, a legendary figure in the Alabama GOP, bragging that "his girls" would take care of Siegelman. Canary's wife is Leura Canary, the U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Alabama. Alice Martin, the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama is a close confidante of Canary's. He referred repeatedly to "Karl," assuring that "Karl" had worked things out with the Justice Department in Washington to assure a criminal investigation and prosecution of Siegelman. Canary is a close friend of Karl Rove, and I have documented their long relationship in another post.

The response to Simpson's affidavit has been a series of brusque dismissive statements - all of them unsworn - from others who figured in the discussion and the federal prosecutor in the Siegelman case, who has now made a series of demonstrably false statements concerning the matter. She's been smeared as "crazy" and as a "disgruntled contract bidder." And something nastier: after her intention to speak became known, Simpson's house was burned to the ground, and her car was driven off the road and totaled. Clearly, there are some very powerful people in Alabama who feel threatened. Her case starts to sound like a chapter out of John Grisham's book The Pelican Brief. However, those who have dismissed Simpson are in for a very rude surprise. Her affidavit stands up on every point, and there is substantial evidence which will corroborate its details.

GELLMAN: It's been often speculated that 9/11 exerted a profound psychological change on the Vice President. But we did not find evidence that that's true.

There's a moment in the story in which we've got witnesses who are watching him watch the World Trade Center collapse. Everyone else in the room is groaning. And he doesn't blink his eyes. He turns around and starts working the phones again.

And what he's doing is he's finding that 9/11 confirms some long-held beliefs of his. And it gives him the opportunity to press through some long-desired changes. He has not changed his views very much over the years. What has changed is he has a greater opportunity to put them into action.

I'm beginning to feel sorry for GWB.

Everyone is turning on him. :wink:

But I will never

never never never

ever feel sorry for Dick Cheney.

The conservatives want Libby pardoned. Their argument is if Sandy Burger can sneak classified documents out of the National Archives and not do jail time than Libby shouldn't as well.

If this is going to be the standard than any high ranking government official may commit a crime and not be punished. All one has to do is say there is precedent.

Well surprise, surprise. Libby's crony helps him out.

This from the ex-Governor of Texas who refused to excercise his prerogative of leniency in the execution of dozens, because he had "no alternative under the Law".

Texas holds the record for the largest number of executions since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976. Virginia has executed a larger percentage of its population than any other state over 1 million in population.

WASHINGTON -- President Bush was presented with a letter Monday signed by 50 high school seniors in the Presidential Scholars program urging a halt to "violations of the human rights" of terror suspects held by the United States.

The White House said Bush had not expected the letter but took a moment to read it and talk with a young woman who handed it to him.

"The president enjoyed a visit with the students, accepted the letter and upon reading it let the student know that the United States does not torture and that we value human rights," deputy press secretary Dana Perino said.

The students had been invited to the East Room to hear the president speak about his effort to win congressional reauthorization of his education law known as No Child Left Behind.

The handwritten letter said the students "believe we have a responsibility to voice our convictions."

"We do not want America to represent torture. We urge you to do all in your power to stop violations of the human rights of detainees, to cease illegal renditions, and to apply the Geneva Convention to all detainees, including those designated enemy combatants," the letter said.

The designation as a Presidential Scholar is one of the nation's highest honors for graduating high school students. Each year the program selects one male and one female student from each state, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Americans living abroad, 15 at-large students, and up to 20 students in the arts on the basis of outstanding scholarship, service, leadership and creativity.

"I know all of you worked hard to reach this day," Bush told the students in his education speech. "Your families are proud of your effort, and we welcome your family members here. Your teachers are proud of your effort, and we welcome your teachers. And our entire nation is proud to call you Presidential Scholar."

The scholars travel to Washington each June for seminars, lectures and workshops with government officials, elected representatives and others.

This is rich. Not Marc Rich, but still rich.