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Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread IV

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 May, 2007 08:54 pm
Looks like another great photo op for Bush.

White House rebuts Guard shortage claim
By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 4 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - The Bush administration and Kansas' governor started Tuesday pointing fingers at each other over the response to last week's devastating tornado. By lunchtime, both sides had backed down.


With President Bush set to travel to now-razed Greensburg, Kan., on Wednesday to view the destruction wrought by Friday's 205 mph twister, Democratic Gov. Kathleen Sebelius said she planned to talk with him about her contention that National Guard deployments to Iraq hampered the disaster response.

"I don't think there is any question if you are missing trucks, Humvees and helicopters that the response is going to be slower," she said Monday. "The real victims here will be the residents of Greensburg, because the recovery will be at a slower pace."

Sebelius said that with other states facing similar limitations, "stuff that we would have borrowed is gone."

White House press secretary Tony Snow fought back aggressively.

In an approach reminiscent of the blame game played by the White House with another Democratic governor, Kathleen Blanco of Louisiana, after the federal government's botched response to Hurricane Katrina, Snow at first said the fault for any slow response would be Sebelius'. He said she should have followed procedure by finding gaps and then asking the federal government to fill them ?- but didn't.

"If you don't request it, you're not going to get it," he told reporters Tuesday morning.

Snow said no one had asked for heavy equipment. "As far as we know, the only thing the governor has requested are FM radios," the spokesman said.

Well, not exactly.

At Snow's second, midday briefing with reporters, he offered that it turned out that the state had requested several items that the federal government supplied ?- those radios, and also a mobile command center and a mobile office building, an urban search and rescue team and coordination on extra Black Hawk helicopters.

Snow recounted a phone conversation on Tuesday between Sebelius and Bush's White House-based homeland security adviser, Fran Townsend, in which the governor said she was pleased with the federal performance on the tornado and had everything she needed.

About the same time, Sebelius was doing her own backpedal from across the country.

Her spokeswoman, Nicole Corcoran, said the governor didn't mean to imply that the state was ill-equipped to deal with this storm. Sebelius' comments about National Guard equipment were, instead, meant as a warning about the state's inability to handle additional disasters, such as another tornado or severe flooding, she said.

"We are doing absolutely fine right now," Corcoran said. "What the governor is talking about is down the road."

Sebelius has long spoken out about the fallout from sending National Guard units and equipment overseas. She says the war in Iraq is damaging domestic disaster readiness, because needed manpower is drained from states and the Pentagon is not replacing equipment at a fast enough rate.

Sebelius said she asked the Pentagon in December to replenish lost resources. She also said she spoke about the issue at great length with Bush when he was in Kansas in January 2006, and that Bush assured her that the money for replacements was in his budget.

Snow said the president recognizes there is a need to relieve pressure on the National Guard, and that it is one of the main reasons Bush has called for expanding the overall size of the military. But he also said that, regardless, there still are sizable numbers of personnel and equipment around the country ready to respond to disasters.

"If you take a look at the way the National Guard units are dispersed, you still have considerable strength in each state," he said.

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Associated Press writer John Milburn contributed to this story.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 08:05 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Looks like another great photo op for Bush.


You think he should have stayed away and not visited? Yeah, right ... then you'd really be howling.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 08:58 pm
Naw, I just remember when he spoke from Jackson Square in New Orleands after Katrina to make that special speech about "the biggest reconstruction project in the US."
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 07:16 am
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 07:17 am
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 05:38 pm
Poll: Congress, Bush share low approval By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer
Fri May 11, 3:49 PM ET



WASHINGTON - People think the Democratic-led Congress is doing just as dreary a job as President Bush, following four months of bitter political standoffs and little progress on Iraq and a host of domestic issues.

An AP-Ipsos poll also found that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record) is a more popular figure than the president and her colleagues on Capitol Hill, though she faces a gender gap in which significantly more women than men support her.

The survey found only 35 percent approve of how Congress is handling its job, down 5 percentage points in a month. That gives lawmakers the same bleak approval rating as Bush, who has been mired at about that level since last fall, including his dip to a record low for the AP-Ipsos poll of 32 percent last January.

"It's mostly Iraq" plus a lack of progress in other areas, said Rep. Tom Cole (news, bio, voting record), R-Okla., who heads the House GOP's campaign committee. "These are not good numbers for an incumbent, and it doesn't matter if you have an 'R' or a 'D' next to your name."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 05:57 pm
Having a standard for success isn't enough.
By David Peck

san francisco
President Bush has a (changing) standard for success in Iraq. But does he have a standard for failure? It's the kind of question I've faced with my clients in my work as an executive coach, helping leaders become more effective.

I met recently with a CEO client I've had for years. He has several pet projects that, in my opinion, should be shut down. His view is that, come hell or high water, they will continue until they succeed. We both have our perspectives, and many others have weighed in as well. At our recent meeting, I asked him to describe what success would look like. He did. But then I asked a tougher question: What is your standard that, if met, would leave no doubt of failure? Something that would say it's time to walk away from Business X or Project Y?

We discovered that he hadn't defined one. So as Business X limped along for nine months without scoring a win, and Project Y looked headed for defeat as well, there would continue to be plenty of opinions - but no definitive action. That's why we agreed on the need for a failure measurement that transcends opinions.

Great leaders set and stick with clear standards for failure as well as success. Others act like gambling addicts, greedily seeing only success, depleting their cash without any off switch.
Similar to my client's situation, there has never been agreement on the status of the war in Iraq because there are no agreed-upon measurements. Until such a yardstick exists, we can't agree about whether the US is winning or losing.

If we can't agree on present conditions, then it's critical that we have tripwires at both ends of the effectiveness spectrum: one for success, and one for failure.

The former is difficult to determine because it's shifted considerably. In 2005, the White House defined victory in Iraq in three stages that culminate in a peaceful, united, stable, and secure partner in the war on terror. But just this month, President Bush appeared to lower the bar, saying: "Either we'll succeed, or we won't succeed. And the definition of success as I described is sectarian violence down...."

Meanwhile, the tripwire for failure doesn't seem to exist.

Obviously, the United States must not share its failure guidelines with the enemy. But if such standards were crystal clear among America's leaders, we would see much greater consensus in Washington, if not an end to the US occupation of Iraq.

Gen. David Petraeus and Mr. Bush ask that we wait until we assess the "surge." They, like my CEO client, won't know when to give up unless they develop a failure standard.

Being stubborn helps leaders rise to the top. They like to get their way, to be right, and to win. Taken too far, that lovable bull-headedness becomes naked obsession, ego, or self-will - signs of addiction. Recovering addicts, like great leaders, know when to admit defeat. It's not too late for our leaders to set and stick with an objective, measurable standard for losing.

• David Peck is president of Leadership Unleashed, a coaching and consulting firm. He writes "The Recovering Leader" blog.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2007 09:11 pm
Seems that some are getting the message that corruption is bad for the Republican party.

http://www.redstate.com/stories/the_parties/an_open_declaration_of_war_against_the_house_republican_leadership

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 04:40 pm
Here's some more to add to Bush's legacy:


VA bonus winners sat on review boards

By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer
56 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Nearly two dozen officials who received hefty performance bonuses last year at the Veterans Affairs Department also sat on the boards charged with recommending the payments.


Documents obtained by The Associated Press raise questions of conflicts of interest or appearances of conflicts in connection with the bonuses, some of which went to senior officials involved in crafting a budget that came up $1.3 billion short and jeopardized veterans' health care.

When are those bush supporters gonna wake up from their stupor?
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xingu
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 05:51 pm
Quote:
Perle Turns on Bush in Harsh Terms
BY NICHOLAS WAPSHOTT - Staff Reporter of the Sun
May 15, 2007
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/54448

The Bush administration is beginning to appease rather than confront America's enemies, a former chairman of the Defense Policy Board and leading neoconservative thinker said yesterday, describing the president as "a failure" who is proving powerless to impose his views on his administration.

Richard Perle offered a withering assessment of the president's impotence at a meeting of the Hudson Institute in New York, saying American foreign policy is being applied by an out-of-control State Department.

Although Mr. Perle said he no longer has access to the president, he said his conversations with those close to the White House led him to a pessimistic view of how foreign policy is currently conducted, with a profound disconnect between President Bush's wishes and how the administration carries out policies in his name.

"We have already seen a change in policy towards Iran," he said. "It is now firmly back in the hands of the Department of State."
Mr. Perle's assessment is recognized by an expert on defense policy at the American Enterprise Institute, Thomas Donnelly, who said Mr. Bush is routinely frustrated by "establishment" thinking within Washington and that the failure to respond to the president's more radical thinking has harmed American policy in Iraq.

But the characterization of a divided administration frustrating the president's wishes is inaccurate, according the director of the foreign policy program at the New America Foundation, Steven Clemons, who said he thinks Mr. Bush is allowing Vice President Cheney and Secretary of State Rice to play good cop, bad cop with the Iranians.

Mr. Perle said the president has failed to control his administration from the start and that bad appointments have ensured that he is isolated from the rest of the government, aside from close allies such as Ms. Rice and Mr. Cheney.

The president's failure to get his own way stems from his general inexperience in foreign affairs and his ignorance of the way Washington works, Mr. Perle suggested. "He came ill-equipped for the job and has failed to master it," he said. "I do not meet the president, but from the people I meet who are close to him and from his speeches, I believe the gap between the president and his administration is without precedent."

"He was only in office a short time when 9/11 took place. … This president appointed people he hardly knew. He didn't know Colin Powell," Mr. Perle added. "He delegated a great deal. He thought he would give general direction and that the machinery would do what he wanted done. But the machinery wouldn't do what he wanted done."

Mr. Donnelly said it is likely that Mr. Bush's first defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, and even Ms. Rice have deliberately interpreted policy against the president's wishes. "There is certainly a huge difference between the president's strategy toward Iraq and the Middle East and the policy as exacted by the Defense Department ?- not only Defense, but the State Department and the intelligence agencies," he said.

Mr. Clemons, however, said the apparent contradictions among the president, the vice president, and secretary of state reflect a change in the president's thinking. "George Bush keeps his cards close to his chest. He is, however, allowing Condi Rice more leeway. We know that Bush got fully on board with Rice in changing policy about talking with Iran," he said.

The State Department is "institutionally disposed to settle problems through compromise, to settle rather than to fight," Mr. Perle said. This is dangerous because many enemies of America remain who are prepared to continue fighting when offered a settlement. "You cannot settle with Al Qaeda. You cannot settle with Islamist extremists. Those who suggest we can do great damage," he said.

Mr. Bush displayed weakness in the face of Syria and failed to convincingly condemn the visit of the speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, to Damascus "because he had authorized some Republicans to talk to Assad," he said.

Mr. Perle said the current policy toward Iraq has no more than nine months to run: It either will have achieved success by then or will have to be abandoned. "That is why I find it strange that the Democrats should take short-term political advantage. They have only to wait," he said.

The U.S. Army "is not terribly well equipped" to fight the insurgency in Iraq, he said, and the Defense Department is still planning an army to fight a Russian advance in Central Europe. "We sent over the only Army we had," he said. He added that he thinks the coalition should have handed the country over to the Iraqis in October 2003, when the insurgency began.

Nor did Mr. Perle offer any optimism that the current surge policy, which he said he believed was correct in conception, would succeed. "People have retreated behind the Iranian border, out of harm's way, biding their time," he said.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 06:30 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Poll: Congress, Bush share low approval By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer
Fri May 11, 3:49 PM ET



WASHINGTON - People think the Democratic-led Congress is doing just as dreary a job as President Bush, following four months of bitter political standoffs and little progress on Iraq and a host of domestic issues.

An AP-Ipsos poll also found that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record) is a more popular figure than the president and her colleagues on Capitol Hill, though she faces a gender gap in which significantly more women than men support her.

The survey found only 35 percent approve of how Congress is handling its job, down 5 percentage points in a month. That gives lawmakers the same bleak approval rating as Bush, who has been mired at about that level since last fall, including his dip to a record low for the AP-Ipsos poll of 32 percent last January.

"It's mostly Iraq" plus a lack of progress in other areas, said Rep. Tom Cole (news, bio, voting record), R-Okla., who heads the House GOP's campaign committee. "These are not good numbers for an incumbent, and it doesn't matter if you have an 'R' or a 'D' next to your name."


But I thought the dems were elected to be the saviours of the country,and could do nothing wrong?
I thought the dems were supposed to be able to get everything accomplished within 100 working hours of being sworn in?

Are you saying that the dems made promises they cant keep,just to get elected?

I'm shocked!!!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 06:33 pm
Oh, come on guys, let's look at the polling:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_MRs_Nt465oE/Rkn4Nrttk6I/AAAAAAAABFk/4Il5jJEKmO4/s400/CongApprovalRough20070513.png

http://bp1.blogger.com/_MRs_Nt465oE/RkoN-Lttk-I/AAAAAAAABGE/YNjynTXzfWE/s400/BushFullTermRough20070513.png

There really isn't much of a comparison.

Cycloptichorn
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 06:44 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Oh, come on guys, let's look at the polling:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_MRs_Nt465oE/Rkn4Nrttk6I/AAAAAAAABFk/4Il5jJEKmO4/s400/CongApprovalRough20070513.png

http://bp1.blogger.com/_MRs_Nt465oE/RkoN-Lttk-I/AAAAAAAABGE/YNjynTXzfWE/s400/BushFullTermRough20070513.png

There really isn't much of a comparison.

Cycloptichorn


Are you saying that the dem controlled congress is NOT getting a very low rating,or are you saying that since they are still higher then the President that means that congress is still doing a good job?

Or,are you like me and saying that the polls are meaningless?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 06:58 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Oh, come on guys, let's look at the polling:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_MRs_Nt465oE/Rkn4Nrttk6I/AAAAAAAABFk/4Il5jJEKmO4/s400/CongApprovalRough20070513.png

http://bp1.blogger.com/_MRs_Nt465oE/RkoN-Lttk-I/AAAAAAAABGE/YNjynTXzfWE/s400/BushFullTermRough20070513.png

There really isn't much of a comparison.

Cycloptichorn


Are you saying that the dem controlled congress is NOT getting a very low rating,or are you saying that since they are still higher then the President that means that congress is still doing a good job?

Or,are you like me and saying that the polls are meaningless?


Well, neither.

If you look at the polling, you'll see a definite positive trend for Congress since they took over the leadership. But Bush has pretty much plateaued as low as he will go, until the scandals this summer push him lower, that is. To compare the two is ridiculous. One has an upward trend, the other, a many-years long downward one.

In addition, from the same site these graphs come from, politicalarithmetik.blogspot.com - a really good site for all sorts of graphs, by the way:

Quote:


The level of approval of Congress was very low in late 2006 and remains well short of its high points in early 1998 and following 9/11 in 2002. (See the entire Congressional approval series since 1990 here.) But Congress is rarely loved. In the 17 years since 1990, Congressional approval has risen above 50% only twice-- rising just above 50% in early 1998 before dropping sharply after the impeachment of President Clinton late in 1998, and for a few months following 9/11. For the vast majority of the time since 1990, approval of Congress has been below 45% and below 40% for much of the time.

In 1995, following the Republicans capture of control, approval stood at just over 30% and did not break 40% until mid-1997. By contrast, Presidents routinely enjoy approval over 50% and are seen as in some trouble politically when their approval falls below 50%. President Bush's lengthy record below 40% is unusually low and long in comparison to previous presidents (though a number dip briefly to the 30s.)


Let's also examine the independent polling of Congress - how the different parties are doing:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_MRs_Nt465oE/RkoA3rttk8I/AAAAAAAABF0/IW8xnHgSjnY/s1600/CongPartiesJob.png

You can see that once again, there really is no comparison. While Democrats lead Republicans by 8 points on approval, Republican disapproval is a whopping 21 points higher than disapproval of the Democrats. In addition, while it took years for the Republican-ran Congress to break 40%, the Dems are on track to do it this year. Not that I know they will or won't. But the current group isn't doing bad according to polling and trends.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 07:07 pm
Many Bush supporters also seem to forget that the GOP in congress are handicapping the democratic led congress on what the American People wants; our troops to leave Iraq in a un-winnable war. Bush also VETOED what the democrats and American People wants. Some people can't see the truth for what's in front of their eyes.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 07:25 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Many Bush supporters also seem to forget that the GOP in congress are handicapping the democratic led congress on what the American People wants; our troops to leave Iraq in a un-winnable war. Bush also VETOED what the democrats and American People wants. Some people can't see the truth for what's in front of their eyes.


But if it was what "the American people wanted",the dems should have been able to override the veto with no trouble

As for the GOP "handicapping" the "democrat led congress",That is exactly what the minority party is supposed to do.
You applauded it when the dems did it to the repubs,yet you decry it now?
Why is that?

BTW,the repubs still control the Senate,because the dems dont have the votes to pass anything without repub help.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 07:38 pm
Some people still don't understand that without a majority in congress, no party can override a president's VETO.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 07:45 pm
Bush and the GOP in congress can remain stubborn as long as they wish. It'll be fun to watch the next election cycle as they lose more support from the moderates and the American Public.


Bush, GOP Congress Losing Core Supporters
Conservatives Point to Spending, Immigration

By Jim VandeHei and Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, May 11, 2006; Page A01

Disaffection over spending and immigration have caused conservatives to take flight from President Bush and the Republican Congress at a rapid pace in recent weeks, sending Bush's approval ratings to record lows and presenting a new threat to the GOP's 12-year reign on Capitol Hill, according to White House officials, lawmakers and new polling data.

Bush and Congress have suffered a decline in support from almost every part of the conservative coalition over the past year, a trend that has accelerated with alarming implications for Bush's governing strategy.

The Gallup polling organization recorded a 13-percentage-point drop in Republican support for Bush in the past couple of weeks. These usually reliable voters are telling pollsters and lawmakers they are fed up with what they see as out-of-control spending by Washington and, more generally, an abandonment of core conservative principles.

There are also significant pockets of conservatives turning on Bush and Congress over their failure to tighten immigration laws, restrict same-sex marriage, and put an end to the Iraq war and the rash of political scandals, according to lawmakers and pollsters.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 16 May, 2007 02:30 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Some people still don't understand that without a majority in congress, no party can override a president's VETO.


Numerically,the dems have the majority.
They just dont have ENOUGH of a majority.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 16 May, 2007 07:17 am
Most of the time people stick to their party lines when it comes time to vote. Nevertheless; now the polls show that more than a simple majority disaprove of the surge and want a timeline. The republicans who wanted a change in the Iraq war, should have just held their noses and voted democrat since the republicans in Congress now have more or less just been a rubber stamp for Bush.

I believe the next president, whether democrat or republican is going to be a lot more moderate than the current administration because that is what a majority of the American voting public wants.
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