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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 10:12 am
McGentrix wrote:
On the way home tonight I was listening to NPR and they were discussing Negroponte's trip to Iraq.

He was in Ramadi and they we teling how attacks a month ago were around 30 a day. Now they are around one attack per day and it is because the local sheiks have decided to actually work WITH US forces and relieve their area of al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. The region is in a relative calm now.

Now where I can find the news of this? Practically no where. The only place I found it tonight was on the Federal News Service.

http://www.fnsg.com/transcript.htm?id=20070614t6810

I wonder if it had been bad news, would it have been plastered all over?


Amazing that I still can't find much about this.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11086554

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A senior U.S. diplomat visits Ramadi, capital of Anbar province, once the most dangerous place in Iraq for U.S. troops but now the scene of an alliance with Sunni tribal leaders bent on destroying al-Qaida in Iraq.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 10:19 am
Sunni Join Forces Against Al-Qaeda

Tribal leaders in Anbar province are joining forces to fight off the extremist insurgent group and build ties with the United States military and the Iraqi government.

By Yasin al-Dulaimi and Dana Asad (ICR No. 220, 04-May-07)
More and more Sunni tribal leaders in the beleaguered Anbar province of Iraq are turning against al-Qaeda and cooperating with the Iraqi government and United States troops.

While reports that Abu Ayyub al-Masri, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, has been killed in a battle with a rival militant group in Anbar have yet to be confirmed, they will, if true, be further evidence of the growing chasm between Sunni groups.

Increasingly, Sunni tribal leaders in the restive western province - which has been a hotbed of insurgent activity- are cooperating with United States-led coalition forces and the Iraqi authorities to curb al-Qaeda attacks, and are re-engaging in the political process.

Iraq's interior ministry said on May 1 that it had received intelligence reports that Masri had been killed by an "internal battle" between militants. An Iraq government spokesman said that the body had yet to be formally identified, while the US military said on May 3 that it could not confirm reports of Masri's death.

Masri - who had a five million US dollar bounty on his head - took over as leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq in June 2006, when former leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in an air strike.

His death at the hands of Sunni hardliners would be a welcome development both for Washington and the Iraqi government. While it might not mean an end to al-Qaeda attacks - the group is decentralised and is thought to consist of numerous semi-autonomous cells - it would be evidence of growing enmity between al-Qaeda and other Sunni insurgent groups operating in Anbar.

This split could benefit the US and Iraqi authorities, who are keen to nurture the emerging cooperative mood among Sunni leaders, and to use this to win local support and bring peace to the province.

In recent months, the increasing numbers of attacks on civilians have alienated Anbar's tribal sheikhs from al-Qaeda.

On April 6, a suicide truck bomb loaded with chlorine gas exploded in a residential area of the provincial capital Ramadi, killing as many as 30 people, some of them children. Timed to devastating effect, the bomb exploded just as many people were on their way to the mosque for Friday prayer.

Those behind the incident, the sixth chlorine bomb attack in the city since January, are thought to be "takfiris" - al-Qaeda militants who regard other Muslims, even Sunnis, as unbelievers if they disagree with them.

Partly in response to such attacks, 200 Sunni sheikhs claiming to represent Arab 50 tribes from all over Anbar, gathered in Ramadi on April 18 and 19 to form a new party aimed at opposing al-Qaeda and re-engaging in Iraq's political process.

The party - dubbed Iraq Awakening - also says it will try to improve the image of the US-led forces among local people, as well as support attempts to re-open the local court in order to restore law and order.

The party will hold its first convention in May, and plans to contest provincial elections in Anbar later in the year, as well as the next national elections scheduled for 2009.

Sheikh Abdul-Sattar Abu Risha - who has been seen as the driving force behind Iraq Awakening and is the head of the largest tribe in Anbar - said he began gathering support for his party after his father and three brothers were killed by insurgents last year.

The sheikh said he was locked in a bitter fight to the death with al-Qaeda militants.

"We are now fighting the takfiris, so either we will survive or they will," he told IWPR during an interview in his home - now converted into a military base - as mortars rained down on all sides.

This volte face among Sunni leaders, many of whom were previously involved in resistance against US troops, began with the formation of the Anbar Salvation Council last autumn to combat attacks from groups linked with, or claiming links with, the al-Qaeda group.

The Salvation Council effectively took over from the province's elected council after that body relocated to Baghdad in the face of growing attacks from insurgents. It brokered a deal between the central authorities and tribal, social and religious leaders in Anbar to take a common stand against the al-Qaeda insurgents.

It also enjoyed the backing of armed groups, such as the nationalist 1920 Revolution Brigades, which were previously part of the resistance against US forces in the region.

Once established, the Salvation Council cooperated with American forces by opening US-funded military training centres for volunteers. The US military agreed to back its fight against al-Qaeda, and also paid the salaries of the local police and other forces.

The council has since struck a similar deal with the Iraqi government, which in turn agreed to provide it with supplies.

Ramadi has regained some stability since the Salvation Council came into being. The greater cooperation it has fostered has produced a surge in recruitment for the Iraqi police and army, and has also meant far fewer insurgent attacks on US and Iraqi forces. Since July 2006, 14,000 civilian volunteers have joined the police and the National Guard in Anbar to quell attacks by al-Qaeda insurgents and help restore order.

Falih al-Dulaimi, a member of Anbar Salvation Council who has also joined the provincial council, said that since the middle of last year, 70 per cent of Anbar province has been cleared of al-Qaeda fighters.

Former police chief Colonel Hamid Hamd al-Shawke claims that since December, security forces have succeeded in safeguarding the borders with Syria and Jordan and the highway to Saudi Arabia.

He sees law and order being restored, and predicts that the court in Ramadi - which was previously closed down by al-Qaeda - will reopen.

"Many police centres have been opened, many militants have been killed and arrested and we hope that the court resumes its job and the force of law [is restored]," he said.

The new mood of cooperation is also leading to reconstruction in the province.

In March 2007, Anbar's elected council - now reconstituted in Ramadi - held a conference with a US non-government group, the Local Governance Programme, LGP, to train participants on how to plan reconstruction in the area.

Some 85 people - including heads of government institutions, social figures and clerics attended the conference, which took place in the Kurdish city of Erbil for security reasons, to plan for US-funded reconstruction work that will include health centres and schools.

LGP trained participants on how to prepare a strategic reconstruction plan, one of the organisers told IWPR.

"We are in touch with the Anbar council and trained several of its representatives," said the source, who did not want to be named. "It was a good chance for all members of the local council to meet for the first time, as some of them live in Baghdad and others in Syria and Jordan."

Dr Hussein al-Fahdawi, a member of the provincial council, said, "The [local] officials are determined to rebuild the province on a firm scientific basis [and transform it]from destruction to development and prosperity."

Fahdawi added that the government in Baghdad has already allocated funds for reconstruction and are making it a priority to restore basic services like power and water.

Provincial governor Mamun al-Alwani said the region had received 146 billion Iraqi dinars - about one million US dollars - so far, although the total budget for 2006 has not been determined yet.

Hamid Farhan al-Hayis, the head of the Anbar Salvation Council which is working alongside the elected assembly, confirmed that, "Anbar tribes and the US are conducting ongoing reconstruction work in areas cleansed of terrorists to build health centres, maintain schools and provide sanitation, with 100 per cent American funding."

Although the mutual benefits seem clear, it remains uncertain how long this spirit of cooperation between the Sunni population, the US military and the Shia-dominated Iraqi government will last.

Sunni extremist groups still strongly resent the prolonged presence of US forces in the region, despite their desperate need for support in fending off attacks both from al-Qaeda and from Shia militias.

There are concerns that the tactical compromise they have made to win this support is no guarantee that they will align themselves with their recent enemies in the longer run.

Yasin al-Dulaimi was an IWPR contributor from Ramadi. He was killed on December 30 by a car bomb in Baghdad. The material on the Anbar Salvation Council used in this story was the last reporting he did before his death. Dana Asad is an IWPR contributor in Erbil.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 11:01 am
just googled for "IRAQ RAMADI" and picked up a number of different stories .
they are too long to copy in full . so if you are interested , you'll have to go to the link .
while senator lieberman is cautiosly optimistic , the others are not very optimistic .
see what is being said by various news-sources .
hbg





SENATOR LIEBERMAN
(wall street journal - only by suscription)



INTER PRESS SERVICE
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Unnamed officials in the Bush administration have made claims to reporters that the move has reduced violence in al-Anbar, but residents in the area think otherwise.

"The American Army failed to control the situation in al-Anbar province through military attacks that killed thousands of civilians, so they decided to set up local militias," former Iraqi Army colonel Jabbar Ahmad from Ramadi told IPS.

"It started with the so-called campaign 'Awakening of al-Anbar', then it developed into forming 'The Revolutionary Force for Anbar Salvation'," Hamid Alwani, a prominent tribal leader in Ramadi told IPS. "This was supposed to be a local fight between al-Qaeda and the local people of al-Anbar, but in fact we all realised the Americans meant us to fight our brothers of the Iraqi resistance."

Alwani said "most tribal sheikhs opposed the idea" and made it clear to U.S. military commanders that they would never be part of the U.S. plan. "It seems that the Americans have started to realise their mistake now."

Few tribal groups are backing U.S. forces any more.



REUTERS NEWS
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June 12 (Reuters) - Following are security developments in Iraq at 1200 GMT on Tuesday:

* MOSUL - Gunmen killed a medical student at a college in central Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.

* HAWIJA - Gunmen killed a policeman in a drive-by shooting on his way home near Hawija, 70 km (43 miles) southwest of Kirkuk, police said.

* NAJAF - Iraqi security forces arrested a Syrian driving a truck which was carrying a car packed with explosives near Kerbala, 110 km (68 miles) southwest of Baghdad, on Monday, a media official from Najaf said.

* SULAIMANIYA - Kurdistan police arrested militants charged with killing a Falluja police commander near the city of Sulaimaniya, 330 km (205 miles) northeast of Baghdad, on Monday, according to an Iraqi Interior Ministry spokesman.

* BAGHDAD - A roadside bomb killed two civilians and wounded seven others near al-Resafi square in central Baghdad, police said.

* ZAAFARANIYA - A roadside bomb wounded three civilians in Zaafaraniya south district of Baghdad, police said.

BAGHDAD - Coalition forces detained 11 suspected militants during operations against al Qaeda in Iraq in Baghdad.

NEAR RAMADI - A suicide car bomber killed three police officers and wounded 15 other people at a checkpoint west of Ramadi, 110 km (70 miles) west of Baghdad, police said.

HAWIJA - A roadside bomb wounded five policemen near Hawija, 70 km (45 miles) southwest of Kirkuk, police said.

BAGHDAD - A roadside bomb wounded two civilians in the Mansour neighbourhood of western Baghdad, police said.

TIKRIT - Iraqi police found the body of a kidnapped policeman in Tikrit, 175 km (110 miles) north of Baghdad, the U.S.-Iraqi Joint Coordination Center said. He had been shot.




CHICAGO TRIBUNE
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In Iraq, insurgents target police
Al Qaeda-linked group claims it kidnapped 14

By Tina Susman
Tribune Newspapers: Los Angeles Times
Published June 13, 2007


BAGHDAD -- Insurgents on Tuesday took aim again at Sunni Arabs who have joined forces with U.S. troops against Al Qaeda, setting off a car bomb in Anbar province that killed at least two policemen, officials said in Ramadi.




BBC REPORTS
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Reprisals hit Iraq Sunni mosques
Suspected Shia Muslim militants have destroyed three Sunni mosques near the Iraqi capital, a day after a repeat attack on a major Shia pilgrimage site.
The overnight attacks bring to six the number of Sunni mosques targeted since suspected Sunni militants toppled the two minarets of the Samarra shrine.

Curfews appear to have prevented the same level of violence seen after a similar attack on the mosque last year.

Then militants blew up Samarra's dome, triggering massive reprisals.

The BBC's Andrew North says that attack on 22 February 2006 brought Iraq to the brink of civil war.



AL-ASKARI SHRINE FACTS
One of the four major Shia shrines in Iraq
Contains tombs of two of the 12 revered Shia imams - Ali al-Hadi and al-Hassan al-Askari
First developed during the 10th and 11th Centuries
Two 36m-high golden minarets destroyed in June 2007
68m-high golden dome blown up in February 2006

An official in the prime minister's office said the curfew in Baghdad would be lifted on Saturday.

But the threat of major sectarian bloodshed remains, our correspondent says, with many Sunni communities still fearing retribution from Shia death squads.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 11:11 am
hbg, The BBC report you highlighted in blue tells the whole story; sectarian violence is over one thousand years old in Iraq. Bush's war was lost before he even started it. All the other violence being reported just proves that violence in Iraq will not be stopped by 150,000 American soldiers. A "funny" way to fight world terrorism.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 12:41 pm
All generals have a conflict of interest to have a bias for war; thet's the only way they can make a name for themselves.

By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
20 minutes ago



BAGHDAD - Defense Secretary Robert Gates made a surprise visit Friday to Iraq and expressed support for the top U.S. commander here, saying the military wasn't trying to paint an overly optimistic picture of how the war is going.

"It's a very mixed picture," Gates told reporters on his plane when asked whether the military and Gen. David Petraeus were offering realistic assessments of the violence in Baghdad, where the number of U.S. troops has been increased over the past few months.

"I have every confidence in General Petraeus and in his ability and willingness to call it as he sees it," Gates said.

Gates arrived in Baghdad late Friday night to meet with U.S. military and Iraqi political leaders. This is his fourth trip to the country since taking over as defense chief in December; his most recent stop here was in April.

The additional five U.S. combat brigades that make up the recent U.S. troop buildup are now all in Iraq, as part of an increased effort to stabilize the violence in Baghdad. Gates' visit came as Iraqi officials ordered a citywide security crackdown after the bombing Wednesday that toppled the two minarets of the Askariya mosque about 60 miles north of Baghdad.

Petraeus was criticized this week by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who accused the top U.S. commander in Iraq and Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, of failing to provide Congress a candid assessment of the Iraq war.

The criticism comes just a week after lawmakers told Gates they would challenge Pace if he were nominated for a second two-year term as chairman, and so Gates decided to replace him.

Reid said Pace hadn't done a good job and he also said he was concerned about Petraeus, who told USA Today this week that there are "astonishing signs of normalcy" throughout the majority of Baghdad. Petraeus was quoted as saying, "I'm talking about professional soccer leagues with real grass field stadiums, several amusement parks, big ones, markets that are very vibrant."

Sounds to me like another McCain BS eminating from somebody that supports this war.

Reid said the remark "gives you a feeling that he's not in touch with what is really going on in Iraq or just trying to make the president feel good."

Gates, on his way to Baghdad, defended Petraeus, saying he doesn't "pull any punches."

The Pentagon plans to focus this summer on calming Baghdad in hopes of enabling Iraqi leaders to pursue political reconciliation and stabilize the country, which now is divided among warring factions of Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 12:43 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
hbg, The BBC report you highlighted in blue tells the whole story; sectarian violence is over one thousand years old in Iraq. Bush's war was lost before he even started it. All the other violence being reported just proves that violence in Iraq will not be stopped by 150,000 American soldiers. A "funny" way to fight world terrorism.

Stupid malarkey!

Sectarian violence between humans is over five-thousand years old. I guess you also conclude that all human wars (past, present, and future) to reduce sectarian violence were/are/will be lost before they even started.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 12:43 pm
Quote from above article: The Pentagon plans to focus this summer on calming Baghdad in hopes of enabling Iraqi leaders to pursue political reconciliation and stabilize the country, which now is divided among warring factions of Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds.


They still don't "get it." Sectarian violence has been going on for over one thousand years in Iraq. "Calming Baghdad" temporarily does nothing for the long-term stability of the country.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 12:47 pm
Yeah, except Iraq is the only country where the sectarian violence ceased for a short period in its history only with a tyrant named Saddam who killed anybody that said "boo!"
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 12:47 pm
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
hbg, The BBC report you highlighted in blue tells the whole story; sectarian violence is over one thousand years old in Iraq. Bush's war was lost before he even started it. All the other violence being reported just proves that violence in Iraq will not be stopped by 150,000 American soldiers. A "funny" way to fight world terrorism.

Stupid malarkey!

Sectarian violence between humans is over five-thousand years old. I guess you also conclude that all human wars (past, present, and future) to reduce sectarian violence were/are/will be lost before they even started.


They are lost when they are ran by incompetents such as the Bush crew, undermanned, underplanned, unprepared for what we would face.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 12:57 pm
ican is blind and ignorant; he can't see the increase in violence and deaths for every year we are in Iraq. His only responses are ad hominems without addressing the issues presented. Crawl back into your cave, ican, if you can't address the posts directly rather than general statements such as "stupid malarkey!"
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2007 04:37 pm
June 15, 2007
Sunni Mosque Is Destroyed in Retaliation With the exception of Basra, most of Iraq was calm today. +

The tit for tat will continue - long into the future - with or without 28,500 more American troops.
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xingu
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 05:33 am
From Juan Cole;

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Iran's Supreme Jurisprudent,Ali Khamenei, managed to blame the Iraqi Baath Party, the Wahhabi sect of Islam, the Salafi Jihadi radicals among Sunnis, and the United States, jointly for the blowing up of the minarets at the al-Askariya Shrine in Samarra. The shrine is among the holiest sites for the Shiite branch of Islam. Iran is the largest Shiite country, with 90% or so of its 70 million people adhering to it. Khamenei is both the head of the Iranian state and the head of Iranian Shiism, and is recognized as authoritative by some Shiites outside Iran, especially the Hizbullah Party of south Lebanon. Most non-Iranian Shiites follow instead Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani of Najaf, who has called for calm. But Khamenei has a big megaphone among Shiites. His laying of responsibility for the bombing at the feet of the US will increase anti-American hatred in the Shiite world. Khamenei's heated and irrational rhetoric, positing a vast conspiracy among various groups that hate one another, is typical of the hardliners in Iran, but it is my impression that in recent months he has tended to leave the wilder talk to his rival Ayatollah Misbah Yazdi and his protege, Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad. I don't think Khamenei's remarks on this matter are a good sign.


http://www2.irna.com:80/en/news/view/line-24/0706149816235637.htm

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Zionists, occupiers behind Samarra crime, says Leader Tehran
June 14, IRNA -

The Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution, Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei, Thursday expressed condolences on the occasion of Wednesday's sacrilege to the holy shrines in Iraq and considered the occupiers and Zionists the main masterminds behind this 'big crime.'

The holy shrines of Shiite Imams, Ali al-Naqi (AS) and Hassan al-Askariya (AS) in the Iraqi city of Samarra were attacked Wednesday morning for the second time by terrorists. The holy shrines were first attacked on February 22, 2006.

"While being vigilant in the face of dangerous divisive policies of enemies, the ulema and dignitaries in the world of Islam and all Muslims, particularly the Iraqi people - Shia and Sunni - should maintain self-restraint and amity with their Muslim brethren more than ever," the Supreme Leader said in a message issued on the tragic event.

The criminal seditionists once against committed another crime, said the Leader adding the explosion at the holy shrines and the sacrilege to the Askari shrines have pit the world of Islam against a horrible conspiracy aimed at fanning the flames of a civil war in Iraq and engaging Muslim states in bloody religious and sectarian events.

The Leader said, "The disgraceful and blind-hearted agents behind this big crime, whether they are remaining stooges of Saddam's Baathist regime or the beguiled Wahhabi and Salafi fanatics, it cannot be doubted that the intelligence services of the occupiers and Zionists are the main masterminds of these heinous schemes.

"The occupiers have left the scene open to terrorists and panic-mongers to weaken the bases of the popular government of Iraq and justify their illegitimate presence in that country and are causing discord among Muslim brethren."

The Leader stressed that the Askari shrines were respected in Samarra by Sunni Muslims for centuries and nobody had in any time insulted them.

"Now, this is the second time that this holy and exalted site has been violated shamelessly and criminally during the domination of the occupiers," said Ayatollah Khamenei.

The Supreme Leader urged the Iraqi Shia and Sunni brethren not to be entrapped by the enemy conspiracies.

"Muslims throughout the world should be vigilant of the discord-sowing and war-mongering policies of enemies of Islam. Today, enemies will fan the flames of discord in Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon and any corner of the world of Islam that they can and instigate Muslims on various religious, partisan and ethnic pretexts to stand against each other and commit fratricide."
The Leader warned that Muslims should not help the enemies achieve their "dangerous and disgraceful objective".

The Supreme Leader called on the Sunni ulema to condemn the Samarra catastrophe and voice their disdain towards those behind this event.

Ayatollah Khamenei also invited the Shia ulema and followers of the Ahl-al-Beit (the infallible family of the Prophet (PBUH)) to self-restraint.

The Leader advised all ulema and religious dignitaries of the world of Islam to show amity towards their brethren and respect the religious sentiments of any faith.
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 06:34 am
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US cold toward Turkish buffer zone inside Iraq

The United States signaled on Thursday that it did not back Turkish intentions to set up a narrow buffer zone inside Iraq to bolster defenses against infiltration into Turkey by terrorists from the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), but U.S. remarks fell short of an outright rejection of the idea.Asked to comment on the concept of a Turkish buffer zone on the border's Iraqi side, U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said, "I'm not sure that that is an idea that we would support."But he and other U.S. officials declined to reject the measure categorically.One U.S. official admitted that a buffer zone, as a defensive measure, was different from a cross-border operation with an offensive character, which Washington strongly opposed.The official said Washington's position on the whole issue would likely depend on Iraqi reaction.McCormack said he was not aware of any detailed talks between Turkish and U.S. officials on the idea of a buffer zone.The concept has been floated in Ankara in recent days and was discussed at a Tuesday security summit of top Turkish military and civilian officials.

Easier to defend:

The requirement, according to military officials, stems from the fact that the border on the Turkish side is mountainous and very difficult to control. The border's Iraqi side, however, is flat and suitable for military measures against infiltration by terrorists.The idea is to create an up to 15-kilometer deep buffer zone inside northern Iraq to stop terrorists before they reach the rugged and presently porous border."Temporary use of a narrow strip as a buffer zone should never be considered as invasion of Iraqi territory," said one military official. "This, coupled with other security measures on the border, will give us enhanced capability to prevent terrorists from infiltrating into Turkey."The talk of a buffer zone inside Iraq came in the wake of increased PKK attacks on Turkish security forces and civilians. The PKK conducts such attacks from its bases in Iraqi Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq. Turkish calls on the United States and Iraq to put an end to the PKK's presence in the war-torn country's north have so far produced no result. In recent months, Turkey has warned that it might send its military into northern Iraq to fight the PKK there.Concerned that such action could further destabilize Iraq; Washington is strongly against Turkish military intervention.McCormack reiterated that an incursion into Iraq by Turkish forces was not a good idea. "Clearly the Iraqis have responsibilities. They have responsibilities to fight terrorism," McCormack said. "And the Turkish government has responsibilities also to be a good neighbor. We understand the losses that the Turkish people have suffered as a result of terrorist acts by the PKK."


source
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 09:42 am
I honestly hope that our troops will be successful in Iraq, but I doubt very much that 30,000 more troops can control the sectarian violence and the broken government of Iraq in 2-3 months. THAT would be a miracle.


From USAToday:
Gates: Offensive launched against al-Qaeda
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xingu
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 11:21 am
Actually we have other combat personnel than our military. This should be added in when talking about combat personnel.

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The security industry's enormous growth has been facilitated by the U.S. military, which uses the 20,000 to 30,000 contractors to offset chronic troop shortages. Armed contractors protect all convoys transporting reconstruction materiel, including vehicles, weapons and ammunition for the Iraqi army and police. They guard key U.S. military installations and provide personal security for at least three commanding generals, including Air Force Maj. Gen. Darryl A. Scott, who oversees U.S. military contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/15/AR2007061502602.html?hpid=topnews
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 11:26 am
I think many of us who read the newspapers have known about the civilian contractors doing the work of soldiers, but I wasn't sure about the numbers. We also know that many civilians do the jobs of soldiers past such has mess hall duty. I just wonder how efficient this transfer of duty really accomplishes.
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xingu
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 11:37 am
Well it provides more troops for other rolls because it takes them out of a lot of protection duties. In cases like Blackwater they have ex-military so they're not dealing with a bunch of misfits (something the army is getting more of as they lower their standards).

The downside is the cost. Private contractors are a lot more expensive than soldiers.

The upside for the Bush administration is when they get killed no one cares (in the administration anyway). Their deaths are not reported so its as if it never happened.

It's that thing that if you have never heard of it than it never happened. So it's to the administrations advantage to suppress as much bad news as possible. Since it's all bad they would like all news services do as Faux Noise does; ignore Iraq as much as possible.

Paris Hilton is a godsend for conservative news.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 11:44 am
Just think; if all the military in Iraq were civilians, this administration won't have any problems at all! Maybe, that's what they're thinking of doing for their war plans in Iran.
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xingu
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 11:56 am
I can't see them attacking Iran. They're in so much deep s**t now even someone as stupid as Bush must realize that the consequences and harm to America would be disastrous.

But then there's Lieberman. I think he has more loyalty to Israel than America. I think guys like him see America as nothing more than cannon fodder for God's nation, Israel.

And then there's the neocons, so wrapped up in their ideology they can't see or understand anything outside of it.

I can only imagine what must be going on inside of Bush's tiny head as he sees his grand war on terrorist blowup in his face; to see it become some monster outside of his control, eating up our money and American lives.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2007 02:07 pm
a sampling of information available re. private security companies operating in iraq .
newspics show that private security guards are almost always present when important visitors are in iraq and when iraqi government leaders are "out and about" .
hbg

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'Wash Post': U.S. Secretly Funds Private Security 'Army' in Iraq

By E&P Staff

Published: June 16, 2007 8:00 AM ET

NEW YORK In a front-page in today's Washington Post, Steve Fainaru reveals, "Private security companies, funded by billions of dollars in U.S. military and State Department contracts, are fighting insurgents on a widening scale in Iraq, enduring daily attacks, returning fire and taking hundreds of casualties that have been underreported and sometimes concealed, according to U.S. and Iraqi officials and company representatives."

The report by the veteran Iraq reporter continues, "While the military has built up troops in an ongoing campaign to secure Baghdad, the security companies, out of public view, have been engaged in a parallel surge, boosting manpower, adding expensive armor and stepping up evasive action as attacks increase, the officials and company representatives said. One in seven supply convoys protected by private forces has come under attack this year, according to previously unreleased statistics; one security company reported nearly 300 'hostile actions' in the first four months.

"The majority of the more than 100 security companies operate outside of Iraqi law, in part because of bureaucratic delays and corruption in the Iraqi government licensing process, according to U.S. officials. Blackwater USA, a prominent North Carolina firm that protects U.S. Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker, and several other companies have not applied, U.S. and Iraqi officials said. Blackwater said that it obtained a one-year license in 2005 but that shifting Iraqi government policy has impeded its attempts to renew.

"The security industry's enormous growth has been facilitated by the U.S. military, which uses the 20,000 to 30,000 contractors to offset chronic troop shortages. Armed contractors protect all convoys transporting reconstruction materiel, including vehicles, weapons and ammunition for the Iraqi army and police. They guard key U.S. military installations and provide personal security for at least three commanding generals, including Air Force Maj. Gen. Darryl A. Scott, who oversees U.S. military contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan."

The rest of the article can be found at www.washingtonpost.com.


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EDITOR AND PUBLISHER

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In "Private Warriors," FRONTLINE correspondent Martin Smith travels throughout Kuwait and Iraq to give viewers an unprecedented behind-the-scenes look at companies like Kellogg, Brown & Root, a Halliburton subsidiary, and its civilian army. KBR has 50,000 employees in Iraq and Kuwait that run U.S. military supply lines and operate U.S. military bases. KBR is also the largest contractor in Iraq, providing the Army with $11.84 billion dollars in services since 2002.

Historically, there is nothing new about the military's use of private contractors, but the Iraq war has seen outsourcing on an unprecedented scale. The policy change came after the Cold War when the Pentagon was downsizing under then Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney. Cheney first hired Halliburton as a consultant and later became the company's president. Halliburton subsidiary KBR is now one of the largest recipients of government contracts.

FRONTLINE visits the biggest Halliburton/KBR run base, Camp Anaconda, in the Sunni triangle. Behind concrete walls 28,000 soldiers and 8,000 civilians live in bases that offer Taekwondo and Salsa lessons, movie theatres, fast food courts, and four meals a day. The amenities are impressive, but some argue that there is a price to pay. Says a former base commander Marine Colonel Thomas X. Hammes, "it's misguided luxury … somebody's risking their lives to deliver that luxury."



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PBS VIDEO

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Security Companies Doing Business in Iraq


The U.S. government assumes no responsibility for the professional ability or integrity of the persons or firms whose names appear on the list.


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AD Consultancy
(one of many companies listed by the U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE))
Headquarters:

ADC House
P.O. Box 153
Sutton, Surrey SM3 9WF
United Kingdom
Tel: 0870 707 0074
Fax: 0870 707 0075
Website: www .adconsultancy.com
Email: [email protected]

Contact in Iraq:

Ian Grealey
Tel: 0870 707 0074
Email: [email protected]

Description of Services:

Risk and threat assessment, close protection teams/bodyguards, asset protection, secure commodity escort, travel and escort security, residential and premises security, aviation security, maritime security, oil and gas industry security, surveillance and counter surveillance.


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U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
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