THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

3 Generals Spurn the Position of War 'Czar'

ALGIERS (Reuters) - Bombs killed 30 people in Algeria's capital on Wednesday, attacks claimed by al Qaeda that raised fears the north African oil exporter was slipping back into the intense political violence of the 1990s.

One of the blasts, believed to be a suicide bombing, ripped part of the facade off the prime minister's headquarters in the centre of Algiers. A second bomb hit Bab Ezzouar on its eastern outskirts, the official APS news agency said.

The Al Qaeda Organisation in the Islamic Maghreb claimed responsibility for the bombings, Al Jazeera television reported.

George Bush says if we leave Iraq the terrorist will jump in their little rowboats and follow us back to America. Here they will be fighting us in the streets of NYC.

I wonder how many dumb conservatives believe that. Probably the same number that believe Iran can produce a nuclear bomb any day now.
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EXAMPLES OF TERRORIST MURDERS OF AMERICANS

Before we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, al Qaeda and its affiliated middle-eastern malignancies perpetrated the following mass murders of Americans:

1. 12/1992 -- murdered 241 Americans at US Marine Corps Headquarters in Beirut;
2. 02/1993 -- murdered 6 Americans at WTC in NYC;
3. 11/1995 -- murdered 5 Americans and 2 other civilians at Saudi National Guard Facility in Riyadh;
4. 06/1996 -- murdered 19 Americans at Khobar Towers in Dhahran;
5. 08/1998 -- murdered 12 Americans + 201 other civilians at American Embassy in Nairobi AND murdered 11 other civilians at American Embassy in Dar es Salaam;
6. 12/2000 -- murdered 17 Americans at Destroyer Cole in Aden;
7. 09/2001 -- murdered 1,500 Americans + 1,500 other civilians at the WTC in NYC, at the Pentagon in D.C., and at a field in Pennsylvania;

EXAMPLES OF TERRORIST MURDERS OF NON-AMERICANS

After the US and its allies invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, al Qaeda and affiliates perpetrated the following mass murders:

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11/2003 -- murdered 57 in Istanbul, Turkey

03/2004 -- murdered 191 Spaniards in Madrid, Spain

07/2005 -- murdered 56 in London, England

I just want to know was invading Iraq worth it and did it work to make the world safer as those who wantedthe war claimed before the invasion?
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xingu wrote:

George Bush says if we leave Iraq the terrorist will jump in their little rowboats and follow us back to America. Here they will be fighting us in the streets of NYC.

I wonder how many dumb conservatives believe that. Probably the same number that believe Iran can produce a nuclear bomb any day now.
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Bush actually said and says, "If we leave Iraq before we win in Iraq, the terrorists there will follow us back to America."

One or more dumb liberals are the source of the simpleton fantasy ruse, "the terrorist will jump in their little rowboats and follow us back to America."

One or more dumb liberals are the source of the simpleton fantasy ruse, "they will be fighting us in the streets of NYC."

How will the terrorists get here?

Obviously they will get here the same way they got here in 1993 and 2001.

Also, for example, they will get here the same way they got to Turkey in 2003, to Spain in 2004, and to England in 2005.

What will the terrorists do here once we leave Iraq before the Iraqi people are able to protect themselves against terrorists there without our help?

Obviously, for example, they will do the same kinds of things they did:
in NYC in 1993;
at Boston's airport in 2001;
in NYC in 2001;
in Washington D.C. in 2001;
in Pennsylvania in 2001.

Also, for example, they will do the same kinds of things they did in Turkey in 2003, in Spain in 2004, and in England in 2005.

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EXAMPLES OF TERRORIST MURDERS OF AMERICANS

Before we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, al Qaeda and its affiliated middle-eastern malignancies perpetrated the following mass murders of Americans:

1. 12/1992 -- murdered 241 Americans at US Marine Corps Headquarters in Beirut;
2. 02/1993 -- murdered 6 Americans at WTC in NYC;
3. 11/1995 -- murdered 5 Americans and 2 other civilians at Saudi National Guard Facility in Riyadh;
4. 06/1996 -- murdered 19 Americans at Khobar Towers in Dhahran;
5. 08/1998 -- murdered 12 Americans + 201 other civilians at American Embassy in Nairobi AND murdered 11 other civilians at American Embassy in Dar es Salaam;
6. 12/2000 -- murdered 17 Americans at Destroyer Cole in Aden;
7. 09/2001 -- murdered 1,500 Americans + 1,500 other civilians at the WTC in NYC, at the Pentagon in D.C., and at a field in Pennsylvania;

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EXAMPLES OF TERRORIST MURDERS OF NON-AMERICANS

After the US and its allies invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, al Qaeda and affiliates perpetrated the following mass murders:

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11/2003 -- murdered 57 in Istanbul, Turkey

03/2004 -- murdered 191 Spaniards in Madrid, Spain

07/2005 -- murdered 56 in London, England

I wonder how many dumb liberals there are who truly do not already know all this.

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Iraq AQ wasn't even part of the larger AQ operation until after the war. So they had/have nothing to with 9/11 nor were they affiliated with the larger AQ who were responsible for 9/11. If we left I seriously doubt Al Sadr (spell?) and his operation is going to go clear across the ocean and bomb some Americans if we leave their country. The foreign AQ which is in small numbers in Iraq and were not even there before 9/11 and mostly came there after the invasion, will bomb us whether we remain or stay if that is in they're plans.
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The reasons given in the following quotes for invading Iraq and Afghanistan are valid and sufficient, regardless of whether or not the other reasons Bush et al gave are valid and sufficient.

Congress wrote:

Congress's Joint Resolution September 14, 2001
emphasis added
SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
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(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

Congress wrote:

Congress's Joint Resolution Oct. 16, 2002
Public Law 107-243 107th Congress Joint Resolution (H.J. Res. 114) To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
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[10th]Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

[11th]Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens;
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General Tommy Franks wrote:

American Soldier, by General Tommy Franks, 7/1/2004
"10" Regan Books, An Imprint of HarperCollins Publishers

page 483:
"The air picture changed once more. Now the icons were streaming toward two ridges an a steep valley in far northeastern Iraq, right on the border with Iran. These were the camps of the Ansar al-Isla terrorists, where al Qaeda leader Abu Musab Zarqawi had trained disciples in the use of chemical and biological weapons. But this strike was more than just another [Tomahawk Land Attack Missile] bashing. Soon Special Forces and [Special Mission Unit] operators, leading Kurdish Peshmerga fighters, would be storming the camps, collecting evidence, taking prisoners, and killing all those who resisted."

page 519:
"[The Marines] also encountered several hundred foreign fighters from Egypt, the Sudan, Syria, and Lybia who were being trained by the regime in a camp south of Baghdad. Those foreign volunteers fought with suicidal ferocity, but they did not fight well. The Marines killed them all. "

Senate Select Committee wrote:

Congressional Intelligence Report 09/08/2006
REPORT OF THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE
Conclusion 6. Postwar information indicates that the Intelligence Community accurately assessed that al-Qa'ida affiliate group Ansar al-Islam operated in Kurdish-controlled northeastern Iraq, an area that Baghdad had not controlled since 1991.

Wikipedia wrote:

ANSAR AL-ISLAM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_al-Islam
Ansar al-Islam (Supporters or Partisans of Islam) is a Kurdish Sunni Islamist group, promoting a radical interpretation of Islam and holy war. At the beginning of the 2003 invasion of Iraq it controlled about a dozen villages and a range of peaks in northern Iraq on the Iranian border. It has used tactics such as suicide bombers in its conflicts with the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan and other Kurdish groups.

Ansar al-Islam was formed in December 2001 as a merger of Jund al-Islam (Soldiers of Islam), led by Abu Abdallah al-Shafi'i, and a splinter group from the Islamic Movement in Kurdistan led by Mullah Krekar. Krekar became the leader of the merged Ansar al-Islam, which opposed an agreement made between IMK and the dominant Kurdish group in the area, Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK).

Ansar al-Islam fortified a number of villages along the Iranian border, with Iranian artillery support. [1]
Ansar al-Islam quickly initiated a number of attacks on the peshmerga (armed forces) of the PUK, on one occasion massacring 53 prisoners and beheading them. Several assassination attempts on leading PUK-politicians were also made with carbombs and snipers.

Ansar al-Islam comprised about 300 armed men, many of these veterans from the Afghan war, and a proportion being neither Kurd nor Arab. Ansar al-Islam is alleged to be connected to al-Qaeda, and provided an entry point for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other Afghan veterans to enter Iraq.

UN wrote:

UN CHARTER Article 51
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defense shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

Us lucky taxpayers will pay for "that" and almost everything else, while we in the US have reduced government benefits, and our soldier's veteran's benefits get cuts in 2009 by the Bush cuts. Ain't we lucky!

I recommend the Bush administration say:
Iraq government, you have until July 1, 2007 to ask us to stay until you ask us to leave; Absent that request by July 1, 2007, the US military will leave by December 31, 2007.

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Did you see my link to a possible Turkey dust-up? What a fiasco that would be!

Cycloptichorn