THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

Revel I could post all the stuff again to show you how wrong you are. But I simply don't have the energy to do that. Whether there was sufficient jsutification for the USA to invade Iraq is certainly open for debate. Whether sufficient justification was found once we got in there, I have no reservations of any kind that the invasion was far more humane than not invading.

I accept that you disagree. Lets just let it go at that. Okay?

AP Exclusive: Secret tally has 87,000 Iraqis dead
At least 87,215 Iraqis have been killed in violence since 2005, according to a previously undisclosed Iraqi government tally obtained by The Associated Press. Combined with tallies based on hospital sources and media reports since the beginning of the war and a review of available evidence by the AP, the figures show that more than 110,000 Iraqis have died in violence since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.

And actually using the liberal argument, revel's argument, why send soldiers to die in Afghanistan? After all, the people directly responsible for 9/11 lived in this country, and most of them died on the airplanes. If Obama does not believe in the "Bush Doctrine," or if the libs do not believe in the "Bush Doctrine," we have no business in Afghanistan.

Whatever the arguments are, I just wish one thing, that the liberals would at least be consistent

Back-to-back homicide bombings killed at least 60 people and injured more than 125 on Friday outside the most important Shiite shrine in Baghdad, police officials told Reuters.

The blasts are the latest in a series of high-profile attacks blamed on Sunni insurgents. On Thursday, nearly 80 people were killed in two homicide bombings in the deadliest day in Iraq in more than a year.

The bombers Friday detonated explosive belts within minutes of each other near the gates of the tomb of Imam Mousa al-Kazim, a prominent Shiite saint, located in the northern neighborhood of Kazimiyah, said a police official. Another police official said the bombers struck shortly before the start of Friday prayers as worshippers streamed in to the mosque " an important site for Shiite pilgrims.

About 90 people also were injured in the blast, said the same official.

Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release the information.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
Documented civilian deaths from violence

91,856 " 100,278
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Deaths per day from suicide attacks and vehicle bombs (now includes non-vehicle suicide attacks)
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Deaths per day from gunfire / executions
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Weekly graph Monthly table

2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
Jan 3 568 1035 1430 2806 742 275
Feb 2 604 1201 1449 2536 1007 343
Mar 3976 957 786 1789 2614 1538 408
Apr 3437 1256 1025 1590 2436 1260 304
May 545 619 1226 2103 2769 759
Jun 593 833 1215 2426 2086 669
Jul 650 762 1444 3159 2536 583
Aug 790 823 2165 2743 2325 591
Sep 553 943 1330 2408 1221 535
Oct 493 947 1201 2924 1185 527
Nov 478 1533 1208 2969 1043 472
Dec 529 906 996 2662 903 521
[YEARLY..... 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009]
TOTALS:: 12,049 10,751 14,832 27,652 24,460 9,204 1,330

More than 80,000 of those more than 100,00 innocent Iraqi citizens killed were killed by al-Qaeda, other terrorists, and non-innocent Iraqi citizens.

A Modest Proposal

An Iraqi Vote on Troop Withdrawal

By Michael Collins

Over the years, we've seen various "exit strategies" proposed for withdrawal from Iraq. The best proposal was made by a Baghdad man on his way to a demonstration just a few days after that city fell. A U.S. reporter asked what should happen now. The man turned to the reporter and said, "Thank you for getting rid of Saddam. Now please leave our country."

That advice was probably the best input that United States policy makers ever received (if they even noticed). It was freely offered and no one died in the process.

Why not give democracy a chance?

The Iraqis have a right to a direct vote on the options for U.S. troop withdrawal.

The ballot would be simple.

Should U.S. troops leave Iraq? Yes No

If you answered Yes, how soon should they leave?

Immediately __ 6 months __ 12 months__ 18 months__



Iraqis have wanted the U.S. out of their country almost from day one. Various surveys show that a solid majority of citizens want coalition troops to leave within a year. In 2004, 86% of Iraqis wanted U.S. troops out - 41% immediately and 46% after a new government was established. At the start of 2006, 94% of all Iraqis supported their government setting a timeline for U.S. withdrawal from immediate departure to a timed departure over two years. A few months later, even a poll by the U.S. Department of State showed nearly 70% of citizens wanted U.S. occupation to end.

Polls in 2007 and 2008 conducted by a variety of organizations demonstrate that a majority of Iraqis want foreign troops to leave.

Of which they weren't doing before we invaded thereby tearing the fabric of their country apart with no real plan on to avoid those foreseeable problems.

You really are ignorant; the Iraqis want us out of their country.

ican, You're too stupid to even have a decent discussion with. Bush started this illegal war, and whatever Obama does will be criticized by conservatives - as with all issues/problems that started with Bush.

It's a wonder you can see the traffic in front of you.

cicerone imposter wrote:

You really are ignorant; the Iraqis want us out of their country.

If that's true, and the Iraqis government agrees that's true, then, Obama, let's get out!

Iraq Government Wants U.S. Troops Out by June 30

Monday, May 04, 2009


BAGHDAD -- Iraq's government Monday ruled out allowing U.S. combat troops to remain in Iraqi cities after the June 30 deadline for their withdrawal, despite concern that Iraqi forces cannot cope with the security challenge following a resurgence of bombings in recent weeks.

Asking U.S. forces to stay in the cities, including volatile Mosul in the north, would be embarrassing for Iraq's prime minister, who has staked his political future on claims that the country has turned the corner in the war against Sunni and Shiite extremists.

The departure of heavily armed combat troops from bases inside the cities is important psychologically to many Iraqis, who are eager to regain control of their country after six years of war and U.S. military occupation.