THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

ican711nm wrote:

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I think you guys are victims of the Sorosaist Society for Promotion of Falsities for Dupes. Not all Americans are collectivists who depend on others to tell us what to think. In fact, most of us are individualists who think for ourselves. Many of us think the worst thing done to weakon our nation's people is the unconstitutional passge of laws making our government a compulsory charity (we know that's an oxymoron) that steals money from some to buy the votes of others.

I am sick unto death of being accused of being a victim of "Sorosaist Society." I have never even heard of "Sorosaist" before you mentioned it much less be a devotee it. I merely read the news on the internet and then form my opinions based on the news I read; its as simple as that. I have always been left leaning in politics since first forming opinions on such things so naturally my views will reflect that.
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Main Entry: circumstantial evidence Pronunciation Guide
Function: noun
: evidence that tends to prove a fact in issue by proving other events or circumstances which according to the common experience of mankind are usually or always attended by the fact in issue and that therefore affords a basis for a reasonable inference by the jury or court of the occurrence of the fact in issue

I do not accept the rules imposed by others. If I did, I would not be alive today. I am a law-abiding citizen, but I recognize that there are regimes that need to be opposed rather than accepted. And in periods of regime change, the normal rules don't apply. One needs to adjust one's behavior to the changing circumstances.

Tividar [George Soros's father] saved his family by splitting them up, providing them with forged papers and false identities as Christians, and bribing Gentile families to take them in. George Soros took the name Sandor Kiss, and posed as the godson of a man named Baumbach, an official of Hungary's fascist regime. Baumbach was assigned to deliver deportation notices to Jews and confiscate Jewish property. [Baumbach] brought young Soros with him on his rounds.

My goal is to become the conscience of the world

Usually it takes a crisis to prompt a meaningful change in direction.

Ousting Bush from the White House is the central focus of my life. It's a matter of life and death.

My greatest fear is that the Bush Doctrine will succeed--that Bush will crush the terrorists, tame the rogue states of the axis of evil, and usher in a golden age of American supremacy. American supremacy is flawed and bound to fail in the long run.

What I am afraid of is that the pursuit of American supremacy may be successful for a while because the United States in fact employs a dominant position in the world today.

These are not normal times.

The principles of the Declaration of Independence are not self-evident truths but arrangements necessitated by our inherently imperfect understanding.

... this headline: "An Invitation to Help Design the Constitution in 2020" (This was an invitation to a Yale law School Conference on "The Constitution of 2020: a progressive vision of what the Constitution ought to be.")

On December 9, 2004, Eli Pariser, who headed Soros's group Moveon PAC, boasted to his members, "Now the Democratic Party is our party. We bought it, we own it."

Soros … pushed for the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 which was intended to ban "soft money" contributions to federal election campaigns. Soros has responded that his donations to unaffiliated organizations do not raise the same corruption issues as donations directly to the candidates or political parties.

Soros gave $3 million to the Center for American Progress, committed $5 million to MoveOn, while he and his friend Peter Lewis each gave America Coming Together $10 million. (All were groups that worked to support Democrats in the 2004 election.) On September 28, 2004 he dedicated more money to the campaign and kicked off his own multi-state tour with a speech: Why We Must Not Re-elect President Bush[19] delivered at the National Press Club in Washington, DC.

revel wrote: Most of the voting public want it both ways; they want the things taxes pay for but they don't want to pay for taxes. I think they have finally wised up to the fact you can't have both.

I'm going to disagree with your statement, because I do not believe for a moment most Americans understand taxes and government spending, and that they are finally cognizant of their relationship.

If Americans understood the relationship between the two, they would kno that spending 2.7 billion every week in Iraq is going to strap spending in the US. They would also know that tax cuts only exacerbates the federal deficit, and leave the cancer for our children and grandchildren. No, Americans still don't have a clue; they still want their tax cuts and hope our schools and roads will be taken care of.

With Bush's tax cuts, we now have more people falling into poverty. That should be a good clue, but we still don't hear the American's voices about this problem.

It's more than too late after six years of the Bush "conservatism."

So where do you get your news? Planet mars? If you get your news either on the internet; tv or newspaper then you are part of the same society you decry. Thereby making your entire argument meaningless.

His support for the Solidarity labour movement in Poland, as well as the Czechoslovak human rights organization Charter 77, contributed to ending Soviet Union political dominance in those countries.[3] His funding and organization of Georgia's Rose Revolution was considered by Russian and Western observers to have been crucial to its success, although Soros said his role has been "greatly exaggerated."

It seems ican does read his stuff. Most of my information comes from the major medias like NYT, BBC, Washington Post, and Google.

Oh; so you alone are the 'decider' on who gets their news from "Sorosaist Society." If it leans towards the left then the person don't think for themselves but get their news from "Sorosaist Society." But if the opinion aligns towards the right or your way of thinking then it must be independent thinking.

You sure are full of yourself complete with your own made up dictionary to use in your made up world peopled with Sorosaists and super heroes who think for themselves.

revel wrote:

Oh; so you alone are the 'decider' on who gets their news from "Sorosaist Society." If it leans towards the left then the person don't think for themselves but get their news from "Sorosaist Society." But if the opinion aligns towards the right or your way of thinking then it must be independent thinking.

You sure are full of yourself complete with your own made up dictionary to use in your made up world peopled with Sorosaists and super heroes who think for themselves.

Revel, think for yourself.

The links I included specify what sources Soros financially supports, and not what sources Soros writes.

I also specified my sources.

Icans a fascist.

http://www.m-w.com

Main Entry:
fas•cism
Pronunciation:
\ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date:
1921
1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early>

Main Entry:
so•cial•ism
Pronunciation:
\ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Function:
noun
Date:
1837
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Main Entry:
cap•i•tal•ism
Pronunciation:
\ˈka-pə-tə-ˌliz-əm, ˈkap-tə-, British also kə-ˈpi-tə-\
Function:
noun
Date:
1877
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

Main Entry:
con•ser•va•tism
Pronunciation:
\kən-ˈsər-və-ˌti-zəm\
Function:
noun
Date:
1832
1capitalized a: the principles and policies of a Conservative party b: the Conservative party2 a: disposition in politics to preserve what is established b: a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)3: the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

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Quit telling me to think for myself; its getting on my nerves. As for your links; didn't bother with it yet; doubt I do.

I will just stipulate you think anything I come up with is Sorosaists related and leave it at that. Since I stipulate it; there is no need to keep repeating it every time I post something either from myself or a news article. Just feel free to ignore my post if you can't restrain yourself from repeating yourself.

... Scrolling is a great tool.

http://www.m-w.com

Main Entry:
lib•er•al•ism
Pronunciation:
\ˈli-b(ə-)rə-ˌli-zəm\
Function:
noun
Date:
1819
1: the quality or state of being liberal2 aoften capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties dcapitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party

I will post what I think I am obliged to post.

ican wrote :

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I will post what I think I am obliged to post.

i feel compelled to let you know that you are NOT obliged to post anything for us .
as all of us on a2k , you are free to post to your heart's content but you need not feel OBLIGED .
i truly would not want to burden you with any kind of obligation !
hbg

I feel obliged to the human race in general.