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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

 
 
ican711nm
 
  1  
Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 09:39 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, You continue to miss all the important FACTS about Bush's "war on terrorism." He has increased terrorism around the world ten-fold, and it's still "increasing," because of our occupation of Iraq - seen by Muslims as an intrusion by the US into an Arab country.

Absent a rational counter argument you always resort to Bush bashing. It's identical to what the Sorosaists resort to when they cannot come up with a rational counter argument. What George Bush thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is irrelevant. Your and my opinion of Bush is irrelevant.

What al-Qaeda thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is what is relevant. Al-Qaeda was not stopped while we watched them grow before 9/11. That is also relevant. And, they would not have been stopped or slowed if we watched them grow after 9/11. That too is also relevant. They would have been encouraged and helped murder and recruit more rapidly by our just watching more. All our leaving Iraq now would do is help al-Qaeda resume growing and resume murdering at a more horrific rate.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 09:50 pm
ican, If you can't handle the facts, why even bother? BTW, you rarely know what the facts are, so there's not much missing anywhos.
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 07:41 am
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, You continue to miss all the important FACTS about Bush's "war on terrorism." He has increased terrorism around the world ten-fold, and it's still "increasing," because of our occupation of Iraq - seen by Muslims as an intrusion by the US into an Arab country.

Absent a rational counter argument you always resort to Bush bashing. It's identical to what the Sorosaists resort to when they cannot come up with a rational counter argument. What George Bush thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is irrelevant. Your and my opinion of Bush is irrelevant.

What al-Qaeda thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is what is relevant. Al-Qaeda was not stopped while we watched them grow before 9/11. That is also relevant. And, they would not have been stopped or slowed if we watched them grow after 9/11. That too is also relevant. They would have been encouraged and helped murder and recruit more rapidly by our just watching more. All our leaving Iraq now would do is help al-Qaeda resume growing and resume murdering at a more horrific rate.


The point is; Ican, there is AQ in other parts of the world over there; a lot more AQ in those parts than in Iraq. Take Pakistan for instance; AQ has been flourishing there for years now since the invasion of Afghanistan; yet I don't hear you worried about it. We can keep our eyes on Iraqs AQ the same way we do in every other country in which we don't occupy.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 11:00 am
ican is like Rudy; one issue myopia.
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ican711nm
 
  1  
Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 03:47 pm
revel wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, You continue to miss all the important FACTS about Bush's "war on terrorism." He has increased terrorism around the world ten-fold, and it's still "increasing," because of our occupation of Iraq - seen by Muslims as an intrusion by the US into an Arab country.

Absent a rational counter argument you always resort to Bush bashing. It's identical to what the Sorosaists resort to when they cannot come up with a rational counter argument. What George Bush thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is irrelevant. Your and my opinion of Bush is irrelevant.

What al-Qaeda thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is what is relevant. Al-Qaeda was not stopped while we watched them grow before 9/11. That is also relevant. And, they would not have been stopped or slowed if we watched them grow after 9/11. That too is also relevant. They would have been encouraged and helped murder and recruit more rapidly by our just watching more. All our leaving Iraq now would do is help al-Qaeda resume growing and resume murdering at a more horrific rate.


The point is; Ican, there is AQ in other parts of the world over there; a lot more AQ in those parts than in Iraq. Take Pakistan for instance; AQ has been flourishing there for years now since the invasion of Afghanistan; yet I don't hear you worried about it. We can keep our eyes on Iraqs AQ the same way we do in every other country in which we don't occupy.

The point is, we are having a difficult enough time right now exterminating al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Iraq. No doubt, after that is accomplished, we will have to proceed to exterminate al-Qaeda in some other country or countries. Al-Qaeda is like a metastasized cancerous malignancy. Doctors do not avoid trying to cure any part of such a cancer because they are unable to cure it all simultaneously. They try to cure what they can when they can as fast as they can.

Makes sense to me.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 03:53 pm
We do everything we can to defeat cancer by our eating and excercise habits; we don't feed the cancer with more cancer causing foods.

ergo: Iraq and Bush's war on terrorism increased the cancer in this world body.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 04:02 pm
ican711nm wrote:
revel wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, You continue to miss all the important FACTS about Bush's "war on terrorism." He has increased terrorism around the world ten-fold, and it's still "increasing," because of our occupation of Iraq - seen by Muslims as an intrusion by the US into an Arab country.

Absent a rational counter argument you always resort to Bush bashing. It's identical to what the Sorosaists resort to when they cannot come up with a rational counter argument. What George Bush thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is irrelevant. Your and my opinion of Bush is irrelevant.

What al-Qaeda thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is what is relevant. Al-Qaeda was not stopped while we watched them grow before 9/11. That is also relevant. And, they would not have been stopped or slowed if we watched them grow after 9/11. That too is also relevant. They would have been encouraged and helped murder and recruit more rapidly by our just watching more. All our leaving Iraq now would do is help al-Qaeda resume growing and resume murdering at a more horrific rate.


The point is; Ican, there is AQ in other parts of the world over there; a lot more AQ in those parts than in Iraq. Take Pakistan for instance; AQ has been flourishing there for years now since the invasion of Afghanistan; yet I don't hear you worried about it. We can keep our eyes on Iraqs AQ the same way we do in every other country in which we don't occupy.

The point is, we are having a difficult enough time right now exterminating al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Iraq. No doubt, after that is accomplished, we will have to proceed to exterminate al-Qaeda in some other country or countries. Al-Qaeda is like a metastasized cancerous malignancy. Doctors do not avoid trying to cure any part of such a cancer because they are unable to cure it all simultaneously. They try to cure what they can when they can as fast as they can.

Makes sense to me.


Doctors do not treat cancer with instruments which actively create more cancer. Your analogy fails.

Cycloptichorn
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 04:17 pm
ican wrote :

Quote:
The point is, we are having a difficult enough time right now exterminating al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Iraq. No doubt, after that is accomplished, we will have to proceed to exterminate al-Qaeda in some other country or countries. Al-Qaeda is like a metastasized cancerous malignancy. Doctors do not avoid trying to cure any part of such a cancer because they are unable to cure it all simultaneously. They try to cure what they can when they can as fast as they can.


if someone has cancer the physicians would certainly NOT recommended continuing an UNHEALTHY lifestyle or further feeding the cancer by exposure to cancerous agents .

experts seem to agree that AQ and its recruits (cancer) often/mainly come out of pakistan - and particularly the north-west border region , but as the corruption increases in pakistan , they seem to find willing recruits all over pakistan .

since the root of AQ seems to be the corruption in pakistan , i see little hope of destroying AQ unless corruption is first stopped or at least reduced greatly .
i believe the supply of new recruits has to be stopped first . at the moment the supply seems to be increasing steadily .

iraq (and afghanistan) seem merely the points where the AQ come into contact with america .
(just like cancer may have deep seated malignacies that break out on certain parts of the body ).

if someone has lung cancer there is little hope of cure unless the person is willing to stop smoking .
just my opinion .
hbg
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 04:43 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
We do everything we can to defeat cancer by our eating and excercise habits; we don't feed the cancer with more cancer causing foods.

ergo: Iraq and Bush's war on terrorism increased the cancer in this world body.

Terrorism was increasing (i.e., metastasizing) rapidly on Dr. Clinton's watch before Dr. Bush replaced him. Dr. Bush is also having a tough time, but is making progress toward a cure. Which doctor should we hire next? Do you really think that ignoring cancer in others, or negotiating with cancer will be more effective?

You falsely describe how we cure or try to cure cancer

[how we cure or try to cure al-Qaeda]

once detected in a living being

[once detected in the human race].

We try to kill the cancer

[try to kill al-Qaeda].
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 04:47 pm
ican711nm wrote:
revel wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, You continue to miss all the important FACTS about Bush's "war on terrorism." He has increased terrorism around the world ten-fold, and it's still "increasing," because of our occupation of Iraq - seen by Muslims as an intrusion by the US into an Arab country.

Absent a rational counter argument you always resort to Bush bashing. It's identical to what the Sorosaists resort to when they cannot come up with a rational counter argument. What George Bush thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is irrelevant. Your and my opinion of Bush is irrelevant.

What al-Qaeda thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is what is relevant. Al-Qaeda was not stopped while we watched them grow before 9/11. That is also relevant. And, they would not have been stopped or slowed if we watched them grow after 9/11. That too is also relevant. They would have been encouraged and helped murder and recruit more rapidly by our just watching more. All our leaving Iraq now would do is help al-Qaeda resume growing and resume murdering at a more horrific rate.


The point is; Ican, there is AQ in other parts of the world over there; a lot more AQ in those parts than in Iraq. Take Pakistan for instance; AQ has been flourishing there for years now since the invasion of Afghanistan; yet I don't hear you worried about it. We can keep our eyes on Iraqs AQ the same way we do in every other country in which we don't occupy.

The point is, we are having a difficult enough time right now exterminating al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Iraq. No doubt, after that is accomplished, we will have to proceed to exterminate al-Qaeda in some other country or countries. Al-Qaeda is like a metastasized cancerous malignancy. Doctors do not avoid trying to cure any part of such a cancer because they are unable to cure it all simultaneously. They try to cure what they can when they can as fast as they can.

Makes sense to me.


Thats like drinking diet coke and still eating Bic Mac's and fries. The Big Mac and fries got things in it which kills you eventually plus making you fat. Not only that but the diet coke has things in which will enventually kill you too.

There are worries in the world which we are not paying much attention to because all of our resources are tied up in Iraq. Military leaders have testified saying that the military is stretched thin and if a situation occurs where we would need to respond military elsewhere it would be hard. (something like that; left links in the past) We need to reduce our troops and eventually pull out all together so that Iraq can truly be independent and make or break on their own. Staying is not making them independent and is not making us any safer.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 04:58 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
revel wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, You continue to miss all the important FACTS about Bush's "war on terrorism." He has increased terrorism around the world ten-fold, and it's still "increasing," because of our occupation of Iraq - seen by Muslims as an intrusion by the US into an Arab country.

Absent a rational counter argument you always resort to Bush bashing. It's identical to what the Sorosaists resort to when they cannot come up with a rational counter argument. What George Bush thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is irrelevant. Your and my opinion of Bush is irrelevant.

What al-Qaeda thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is what is relevant. Al-Qaeda was not stopped while we watched them grow before 9/11. That is also relevant. And, they would not have been stopped or slowed if we watched them grow after 9/11. That too is also relevant. They would have been encouraged and helped murder and recruit more rapidly by our just watching more. All our leaving Iraq now would do is help al-Qaeda resume growing and resume murdering at a more horrific rate.


The point is; Ican, there is AQ in other parts of the world over there; a lot more AQ in those parts than in Iraq. Take Pakistan for instance; AQ has been flourishing there for years now since the invasion of Afghanistan; yet I don't hear you worried about it. We can keep our eyes on Iraqs AQ the same way we do in every other country in which we don't occupy.

The point is, we are having a difficult enough time right now exterminating al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Iraq. No doubt, after that is accomplished, we will have to proceed to exterminate al-Qaeda in some other country or countries. Al-Qaeda is like a metastasized cancerous malignancy. Doctors do not avoid trying to cure any part of such a cancer because they are unable to cure it all simultaneously. They try to cure what they can when they can as fast as they can.

Makes sense to me.


Doctors do not treat cancer with instruments which actively create more cancer. Your analogy fails.

Cycloptichorn

Only dummies blame the doctor's choice of instruments for causing cancer to metastasize. Only somewhat smarter people blame the doctor for failure to stop the cancer from metastasizing. Only intelligent people select a doctor who has been more successful in stopping cancers from metastasizing.

Name one! ... p l e a s e.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 05:01 pm
ican711nm wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
revel wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, You continue to miss all the important FACTS about Bush's "war on terrorism." He has increased terrorism around the world ten-fold, and it's still "increasing," because of our occupation of Iraq - seen by Muslims as an intrusion by the US into an Arab country.

Absent a rational counter argument you always resort to Bush bashing. It's identical to what the Sorosaists resort to when they cannot come up with a rational counter argument. What George Bush thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is irrelevant. Your and my opinion of Bush is irrelevant.

What al-Qaeda thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is what is relevant. Al-Qaeda was not stopped while we watched them grow before 9/11. That is also relevant. And, they would not have been stopped or slowed if we watched them grow after 9/11. That too is also relevant. They would have been encouraged and helped murder and recruit more rapidly by our just watching more. All our leaving Iraq now would do is help al-Qaeda resume growing and resume murdering at a more horrific rate.


The point is; Ican, there is AQ in other parts of the world over there; a lot more AQ in those parts than in Iraq. Take Pakistan for instance; AQ has been flourishing there for years now since the invasion of Afghanistan; yet I don't hear you worried about it. We can keep our eyes on Iraqs AQ the same way we do in every other country in which we don't occupy.

The point is, we are having a difficult enough time right now exterminating al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Iraq. No doubt, after that is accomplished, we will have to proceed to exterminate al-Qaeda in some other country or countries. Al-Qaeda is like a metastasized cancerous malignancy. Doctors do not avoid trying to cure any part of such a cancer because they are unable to cure it all simultaneously. They try to cure what they can when they can as fast as they can.

Makes sense to me.


Doctors do not treat cancer with instruments which actively create more cancer. Your analogy fails.

Cycloptichorn

Only dummies blame the doctor's choice of instruments for causing cancer to metastasize. Only somewhat smarter people blame the doctor for failure to stop the cancer from metastasizing. Only intelligent people select a doctor who has been more successful in stopping cancers from metastasizing.

Name one! ... p l e a s e.


Sorry, but when the doctor is using instruments which do not cause the current cancer to metastasize, but instead induce new cancers which previously did not exist, then he deserves blame. That's exactly what we are seeing now: our destruction in Iraq causes new, previously un-AQ affiliated Muslims to turn against us. It isn't a spread of what existed earlier, as you posited. It is something new, and our fault.

You'll never understand this. That's my prediction. In just a few short years you'll go to your grave still believing your stupid theories about how killing breeds peace.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 05:09 pm
hamburger wrote:
ican wrote :

Quote:
The point is, we are having a difficult enough time right now exterminating al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Iraq. No doubt, after that is accomplished, we will have to proceed to exterminate al-Qaeda in some other country or countries. Al-Qaeda is like a metastasized cancerous malignancy. Doctors do not avoid trying to cure any part of such a cancer because they are unable to cure it all simultaneously. They try to cure what they can when they can as fast as they can.


if someone has cancer the physicians would certainly NOT recommended continuing an UNHEALTHY lifestyle or further feeding the cancer by exposure to cancerous agents .

experts seem to agree that AQ and its recruits (cancer) often/mainly come out of pakistan - and particularly the north-west border region , but as the corruption increases in pakistan , they seem to find willing recruits all over pakistan .

since the root of AQ seems to be the corruption in pakistan , i see little hope of destroying AQ unless corruption is first stopped or at least reduced greatly .
i believe the supply of new recruits has to be stopped first . at the moment the supply seems to be increasing steadily .

iraq (and afghanistan) seem merely the points where the AQ come into contact with america .
(just like cancer may have deep seated malignacies that break out on certain parts of the body ).

if someone has lung cancer there is little hope of cure unless the person is willing to stop smoking .
just my opinion .
hbg

The al-Qaeda cancer started in Afghanistan and then relocated to Sudan. Then it was stabilized in Sudan by the Sudanese, and it spread to Afghanistan. Then it was attacked in Afghanistan and it spread to Pakistan and Iraq. It is being stabilized in Iraq but not in Pakistan.

Surely you don't think it would have been better if the Sudanese had not stabilized it in Sudan.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 05:28 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
revel wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, You continue to miss all the important FACTS about Bush's "war on terrorism." He has increased terrorism around the world ten-fold, and it's still "increasing," because of our occupation of Iraq - seen by Muslims as an intrusion by the US into an Arab country.

Absent a rational counter argument you always resort to Bush bashing. It's identical to what the Sorosaists resort to when they cannot come up with a rational counter argument. What George Bush thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is irrelevant. Your and my opinion of Bush is irrelevant.

What al-Qaeda thinks or thought, says or said, does or did, is what is relevant. Al-Qaeda was not stopped while we watched them grow before 9/11. That is also relevant. And, they would not have been stopped or slowed if we watched them grow after 9/11. That too is also relevant. They would have been encouraged and helped murder and recruit more rapidly by our just watching more. All our leaving Iraq now would do is help al-Qaeda resume growing and resume murdering at a more horrific rate.


The point is; Ican, there is AQ in other parts of the world over there; a lot more AQ in those parts than in Iraq. Take Pakistan for instance; AQ has been flourishing there for years now since the invasion of Afghanistan; yet I don't hear you worried about it. We can keep our eyes on Iraqs AQ the same way we do in every other country in which we don't occupy.

The point is, we are having a difficult enough time right now exterminating al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Iraq. No doubt, after that is accomplished, we will have to proceed to exterminate al-Qaeda in some other country or countries. Al-Qaeda is like a metastasized cancerous malignancy. Doctors do not avoid trying to cure any part of such a cancer because they are unable to cure it all simultaneously. They try to cure what they can when they can as fast as they can.

Makes sense to me.


Doctors do not treat cancer with instruments which actively create more cancer. Your analogy fails.

Cycloptichorn

Only dummies blame the doctor's choice of instruments for causing cancer to metastasize. Only somewhat smarter people blame the doctor for failure to stop the cancer from metastasizing. Only intelligent people select a doctor who has been more successful in stopping cancers from metastasizing.

Name one! ... p l e a s e.


Sorry, but when the doctor is using instruments which do not cause the current cancer to metastasize, but instead induce new cancers which previously did not exist, then he deserves blame. That's exactly what we are seeing now: our destruction in Iraq causes new, previously un-AQ affiliated Muslims to turn against us. It isn't a spread of what existed earlier, as you posited. It is something new, and our fault.

You'll never understand this. That's my prediction. In just a few short years you'll go to your grave still believing your stupid theories about how killing breeds peace.

Cycloptichorn

In just a few short years I'll go to my grave still believing my rational theory about how killing malignancies saves lives.

In just a few short years you'll go to your grave still believing your stupid theories about how killing malignancies spreads malignancies, and causes them to kill more than they would otherwise if no attempt were made to kill them.

Malignancies breed not because attempts are made to cure them or even because the method chosen to cure them are not working and induce them to breed. Malignancies spread and kill because it is their self induced propensity to spread and kill.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 05:33 pm
People are not cancer cells, they don't act like them, they aren't anything even resembling them. That's your biggest problem. You don't see member of AQ as people. But, they are people. Many of them turned to AQ solely because of our actions in Iraq, and no other reason.

Your failure to understand the enemy leads to a basic misunderstanding of the situation and how to solve it. You seek to remove humanity from the enemies in order to justify your analogies, and this is foolish in the extreme.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 05:40 pm
hamburger wrote:

...
if someone has lung cancer there is little hope of cure unless the person is willing to stop smoking .
just my opinion .
hbg

I infer from that statement that you think that al-Qaeda will stop murdering other middle easterners, if those middle easterners were to stop allying themselves with America. Al Qaeda would then only murder Americans.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 05:57 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
People are not cancer cells, they don't act like them, they aren't anything even resembling them. That's your biggest problem. You don't see member of AQ as people. But, they are people. Many of them turned to AQ solely because of our actions in Iraq, and no other reason.

Your failure to understand the enemy leads to a basic misunderstanding of the situation and how to solve it. You seek to remove humanity from the enemies in order to justify your analogies, and this is foolish in the extreme.

Cycloptichorn

It is your failure to understand reality that is your problem. Your system of beliefs is not supported by any evidence whatsoever. Yet you continue to peddle it.

Members of al-Qaeda have adopted an anti-human-life religion or belief system in the belief that adhering to that religion or belief system will buy them a fun place in paradise. Having chosen of their own free will to do that, such people have surrendered any claims or rights of humans. Any other humans that adopt an anti-human-life belief system surrender the same. It's long past time for people who think like you to wise up before it's too late, and reject the notion that adopters of an anti-human-life belief system are caused to do that by people who have not adopted an anti-human-life belief system.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 06:02 pm
ican711nm wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
People are not cancer cells, they don't act like them, they aren't anything even resembling them. That's your biggest problem. You don't see member of AQ as people. But, they are people. Many of them turned to AQ solely because of our actions in Iraq, and no other reason.

Your failure to understand the enemy leads to a basic misunderstanding of the situation and how to solve it. You seek to remove humanity from the enemies in order to justify your analogies, and this is foolish in the extreme.

Cycloptichorn

It is your failure to understand reality that is your problem. Your system of beliefs is not supported by any evidence whatsoever. Yet you continue to peddle it.

Members of al-Qaeda have adopted an anti-human-life religion or belief system in the belief that adhering to that religion or belief system will buy them a fun place in paradise. Having chosen of their own free will to do that, such people have surrendered any claims or rights of humans. Any other humans that adopt an anti-human-life belief system surrender the same. It's long past time for people who think like you to wise up before it's too late, and reject the notion that adopters of an anti-human-life belief system are caused to do that by people who have not adopted an anti-human-life belief system.


You have no idea what the average member of AQ, or insurgent in Iraq, or other terrorist thinks, Ican. So stop pretending that you do. The most you can tell is what you have read which may or may not come from some of the top leaders. The minds of the individuals are clouded to you.

Your analogy also fails, in that people can change their minds. They can reach settlements. They can gain a satisfactory situation. They can give up the fight. Cancer does none of these things. Therefore, the method of attacking the two separate problems will be far different.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 07:23 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
People are not cancer cells, they don't act like them, they aren't anything even resembling them. That's your biggest problem. You don't see member of AQ as people. But, they are people. Many of them turned to AQ solely because of our actions in Iraq, and no other reason.

Your failure to understand the enemy leads to a basic misunderstanding of the situation and how to solve it. You seek to remove humanity from the enemies in order to justify your analogies, and this is foolish in the extreme.

Cycloptichorn

It is your failure to understand reality that is your problem. Your system of beliefs is not supported by any evidence whatsoever. Yet you continue to peddle it.

Members of al-Qaeda have adopted an anti-human-life religion or belief system in the belief that adhering to that religion or belief system will buy them a fun place in paradise. Having chosen of their own free will to do that, such people have surrendered any claims or rights of humans. Any other humans that adopt an anti-human-life belief system surrender the same. It's long past time for people who think like you to wise up before it's too late, and reject the notion that adopters of an anti-human-life belief system are caused to do that by people who have not adopted an anti-human-life belief system.


You have no idea what the average member of AQ, or insurgent in Iraq, or other terrorist thinks, Ican. So stop pretending that you do. The most you can tell is what you have read which may or may not come from some of the top leaders. The minds of the individuals are clouded to you.

Your analogy also fails, in that people can change their minds. They can reach settlements. They can gain a satisfactory situation. They can give up the fight. Cancer does none of these things. Therefore, the method of attacking the two separate problems will be far different.

Cycloptichorn

You have no idea what the average member of AQ, or insurgent in Iraq, or other terrorist thinks, Cyclop. So stop pretending that you do.

You have no idea of all of what I have an idea of, Cyclop. So stop pretending that you do.

Your disregard for the truth of what you write is disgusting.

I have presented here several times al-Qaeda's undenied descriptions of its own belief system and objectives, plus the history of al-Qaeda's actions guided by its belief system and objectives.

Your belief system that America's presence and past actions in the Middle East are adequate justification for middle easterners to murder middle easterners, Americans, and others, is asininity bordering on lunacy. Your undisguisable irrational hatred of Americans who have made your life better than it would otherwise be without them, reveals a self-hatred of extraordinarily sick proportions.

Al-Qaeda is a malignancy of the human race easily as potentially deadly as biological malignancies found in some human bodies. Just as the metastasis of biological malignancies is caused by their nature, so is the metastasis of al-Qaeda malignancy caused by its nature.

Blaming the victim for the victimizer's behavior rots.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 08:01 pm
ican wrote :

Quote:
I infer from that statement that you think that al-Qaeda will stop murdering other middle easterners, if those middle easterners were to stop allying themselves with America. Al Qaeda would then only murder Americans.


i don't think we'll understand what al qaeda is unless we understand why many poor and repressed people in the middle-east and asia , particularly PAKISTAN , believe they will be helped in their struggle against represssion by al qaeda .

perhaps these poor people are deluded , but hat else do we expect them to do ?
they are poor , they have little education , their children (boys) have no schools ... and here comes al qaeda ready to help them !
do we expect them to turn down the help ?

almost any report coming out of pakistan speaks of the enormous CORRUPTION !
the country is ruled by a few hundered families and the rest of the people are dirt poor and uneducated .

i can't possibly cite all the reports and sources , but will give just one for today .

this comes from the report of the ANTI-CORRUPTION RESOURCE CENTRE .
Quote:
Thus, the exercise of highlighting some of the sectors should be read with the knowledge that corruption in Pakistan seems pervasive across most sectors. With that in mind, it is safe to say that expert sources indicate that the following sectors are among those most affected by corruption (the particular order varies from source to source):

Police and law enforcement
Judiciary and legal profession
Power sector
Tax and customs
Health and education
Land administration
In addition, Public Procurement seems to be a major concern across most sectors


the recent firing of most of the supreme court judges seems to have brought any hope of improvements to a halt .

full report :
ANTI-CORRUPTION RESOURCE CENTRE

in the western world we just see al qaeda as a bunch of murderes , but that is not how they are being seen by the poor and repressed people of pakistan . al qaeda is seen by many poor villagers as the people who are helping them against corrupt officials and who provide schooling to their boys in religious schools (madrassas) .
of course , in the west we probably think that's just awful ... but put yourself in the shoes - poor choice of words , he probably doesn't even have shoes ! - of a poor villager and you might just change your mind .

if we can offer the poor of pakistan and the other countries something better than what they now have , al qaeda will likely wither on the vine , just like communism did .
if we don't ... (you can fill your own answer) .
hbg
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