THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

AUTHOR: Carl Schurz (1829-1906)

QUOTATION: The Senator from Wisconsin cannot frighten me by exclaiming, "My country, right or wrong." In one sense I say so too. My country; and my country is the great American Republic. My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.

We as a nation rule our affairs in a representative form of government, we voted, we sent those representatives to Washington, they voted, Bush acted, get over it, the world is rid of one despot, lets move on and try to make the world a better place.

ci, if we wanted the oil, we would simply seize the oilfields and the production for our own use at no cost, and we have not done that. We continue to pay dearly for oil, in the world marketplace at market prices, which means we agree to pay what a willing seller is willing to sell it for. Another huge reason to drill for more oil here, which of course your ilk is dead set against. Per your thinking, I think it may be appropriate to start blaming all of these wars on the Democrats.

...working behind the scenes to help the right factions within Pakistan.

ican711nm wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

ican, Many of the soldiers serving in Iraq are now questioning why they are even there. You are as ignorant as Bush and company. It has nothing to do with "supporting our troops," but you apologists can only use it to question American patriotism. A narrow-minded, ignorant, conclusion. Americans always support our troops; we don't support this illegal war that does nothing for our security at home. The soldiers are being sacrificed for a cause that even Bush or Petraeus can't even articulate, because they don't even know.

FACT: There is no viable central Iraqi government. Without a central government, our occupation in Iraq only delays the inevitable crisis.

I didn't question your patriotism or your support for the troops.

But nonetheless you repeatedly post the same ol' Sorosaism religious doctrine. Soros is not merely your direct or indirect messenger. He's your god.

You wrote, "many of the soldiers serving in Iraq are now questioning why they are even there."

How many, or what percentage, of the soldiers serving in Iraq are now questioning why they are even there?

You wrote, "we don't support this illegal war that does nothing for our security at home."

Why do you think this war is illegal?

What USA laws does it violate?

What international laws does it violate?

What terrorist mass murderers have occurred at home that could have been better prevented if our troops stayed home?

Why do you think there is no viable Iraq central government?

What do you think will be the nature of what you called "the inevitable crisis?"


I bet you don't really know the real answers to any of my questions!

I don't have to answer your ridiculous questions, because it's already been proven ad-nauseum by both domestic and international legal experts. We can only fault our congress for not doing their jobs in bringing impeachment proceedings against Bush and the criminal elements of his administration. You can't blame me for your blindness to the Bush approved torture of prisoners, or the simple fact that they have ignored UN and Geneva Conventions (including Habeus Corpus).

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...working behind the scenes to help the right factions within Pakistan.

after how the RIGHT FACTIONS (the kurds) were betrayed in iraq , i suspect pakistanis will be rather careful not to be part of any RIGHT FACTION - they may just be abondoned when it is considered convenient .
hbg

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Americans always support our troops; we don't support this illegal war that does nothing for our security at home.
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www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf
Public Law 107-243 107th Congress Joint Resolution Oct. 16, 2002 (H.J. Res. 114) To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq

Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq[/u];

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens[/u];

Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1),' that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and `constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region,' and that Congress, `supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688';

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;

Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to `work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge' posed by Iraq and to `work for the necessary resolutions,' while also making clear that `the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable';

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and,

Whereas it is in the national security interests of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region:

Now therefore be it, Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, Authorization for use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. 50 USC 1541 note.

Congressional Intelligence Report 09/08/2006
Postwar information indicates that the Intelligence Community accurately assessed that al-Qa'ida affiliate group Ansar al-Islam operated in Kurdish-controlled northeastern Iraq

U.S. radio broadcasts

This remark by George H. W. Bush was heard by Iraqis on the Voice of America on February 15, 1991:

" There is another way for the bloodshed to stop: And that is, for the Iraqi military and the Iraqi people to take matters into their own hands and force Saddam Hussein, the dictator, to step aside and then comply with the United Nations' resolutions and rejoin the family of peace-loving nations. [1] "

On the evening of February 24, 1991, several days before the cease fire was signed in Safwan between Iraqi and Coalition military commanders, a radio station called the Voice of Free Iraq based in the Saudi Arabian town of Khafji, funded and run by the American Central Intelligence Agency, broadcast a message to the people of Iraq to rise and overthrow Saddam.[1] The speaker on the radio was a man named Salah Omar al-Ali, a former member of the Iraqi Baath Party and Revolutionary Command Council. Al-Ali's message urged the Iraqis to overthrow the "criminal tyrant of Iraq":

" Rise to save the homeland from the clutches of dictatorship so that you can devote yourself to avoid the dangers of the continuation of the war and destruction. Honourable sons of the Tigris and Euphrates, at these decisive moments of your life, and while facing the danger of death at the hands of foreign forces, you have no option in order to survive and defend the homeland but put an end to to the dictator and his criminal gang.[2] "

The radio broadcast encouraged Iraqis to "stage a revolution" and claimed that "[Saddam] will flee the battlefield when he becomes certain that the catastrophe has engulfed every street, every house and every family in Iraq."[3]

in case someone may have forgotten that the kurds were being encouraged to rise up , take matters into their own hands and fight SH and his army :

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U.S. radio broadcasts

This remark by George H. W. Bush was heard by Iraqis on the Voice of America on February 15, 1991:

" There is another way for the bloodshed to stop: And that is, for the Iraqi military and the Iraqi people to take matters into their own hands and force Saddam Hussein, the dictator, to step aside and then comply with the United Nations' resolutions and rejoin the family of peace-loving nations. [1] "

On the evening of February 24, 1991, several days before the cease fire was signed in Safwan between Iraqi and Coalition military commanders, a radio station called the Voice of Free Iraq based in the Saudi Arabian town of Khafji, funded and run by the American Central Intelligence Agency, broadcast a message to the people of Iraq to rise and overthrow Saddam.[1] The speaker on the radio was a man named Salah Omar al-Ali, a former member of the Iraqi Baath Party and Revolutionary Command Council. Al-Ali's message urged the Iraqis to overthrow the "criminal tyrant of Iraq":

" Rise to save the homeland from the clutches of dictatorship so that you can devote yourself to avoid the dangers of the continuation of the war and destruction. Honourable sons of the Tigris and Euphrates, at these decisive moments of your life, and while facing the danger of death at the hands of foreign forces, you have no option in order to survive and defend the homeland but put an end to to the dictator and his criminal gang.[2] "

The radio broadcast encouraged Iraqis to "stage a revolution" and claimed that "[Saddam] will flee the battlefield when he becomes certain that the catastrophe has engulfed every street, every house and every family in Iraq."[3]

i'm sure we all remember that the kurds were conveniently abandoned by the united states when they tried to bring down SH . SH made the kurds pay heavily for their disloyalty .
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