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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 06:05 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
As the generals and this administration talks about the "progress" in Iraq, they have completely ignored the children, just as Bush vetoed health care for our children. Something is fundamentally wrong when they forget our children to advance war funds.


Iraq children 'paying high price'
Two million children in Iraq are facing threats including poor nutrition, lack of education, disease and violence, the UN children's agency, Unicef, has said.
Hundreds were killed in violence during 2007, while 1,350 were detained by the authorities, it said in a new report.

Some 25,000 children and their families had to leave their homes each month to seek shelter in other parts of Iraq.

But Unicef said the fall in violence in recent months was opening a window for more international assistance.

Earlier, the top US military commander in Iraq, Gen David Petraeus, told the BBC that the number of violent attacks in Iraq had fallen to its lowest in two-and-a-half years.

According to recent figures, some 536 Iraqis have died in violence so far this month, compared with more than 2,300 in December 2006.

'High price'

In a report entitled "Little Respite for Iraq's Children in 2007", Unicef said Iraqi children continued to pay too high a price for their country's turmoil, and that this year things had got worse.


Iraqi children were frequently caught in the crossfire of conflict throughout 2007
Unicef

The report said an average 25,000 children per month were being displaced from their homes as their families fled violence or intimidation. By the end of the year, 75,000 children had resorted to living in camps or temporary shelters.

The disruption led to extreme hardship for many children and eroded access to education and healthcare, Unicef said.

Many of the 220,000 displaced children of primary school age had their education affected in a country where around 760,000 children (17%) were already absent from primary school. Only 28% of 17-year-olds sat their final exams.

Unicef said children in remote and hard-to-reach areas were frequently cut off from healthcare and that only 20% outside the capital, Baghdad, had working sewerage in their community. Access to safe water was also a serious issue.


But the agency said there had been some progress during 2007 - more than 4m children were vaccinated against polio and 3m against measles, and more than 500,000 internal refugees were given medical help, safe water and shelter by relief agencies and local communities.

It also said the current fall in violence provided an opportunity to deliver more aid and to get a clearer view of exactly what the conflict had done to Iraq's children.

"Iraqi children are paying far too high a price," said Roger Wright, Unicef's special representative for Iraq.

"While we have been providing as much assistance as possible, a new window of opportunity is opening, which should enable us to reach the most vulnerable with expanded, consistent support. We must act now."

Mr Wright stressed that Iraqi children should be the priority for international investment in Iraq as they would be the "foundation for their country's recovery".

Story from BBC NEWS:

Daily Average Violent Deaths in Iraq--PRE and POST January 1, 2003:

PRE = 1/1/1979 - 12/31/2002 = 1,229,210/ 8,766 days = 140 per day;
POST = 1/1/2003 - 11/21/2007 = 85,813/1,790 days = ….. 48 per day;
PRE / POST = 140/48 = 2.92.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 06:40 pm
ican, You're missing the whole friggen picture.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 07:15 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, You're missing the whole friggen picture.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

Looks to me like you have for some time been "missing the whole friggen picture"and are continuing to miss "the whole friggen picture."


Perhaps this format will help you.

Daily Average Violent Deaths in Iraq--PRE and POST January 1, 2003:

PRE = 1/1/1979 - 12/31/2002 = 1,229,210/ 8,766 days = 140 per day;

POST = 1/1/2003 - 11/25/2007 = 85,813/1,790 days = ….. 48 per day;

PRE / POST = 140/48 = 2.92.
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revel
 
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Reply Sun 23 Dec, 2007 07:01 am
Turkey stages new air attack on Kurd rebels in Iraq: army

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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 23 Dec, 2007 08:54 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, You're missing the whole friggen picture.


I have tried to help him, but he's just as clueless as he was in the beginning.

Crying or Very sad
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 09:09 am
Suicide attacks kill 33 people north of Baghdad

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BAIJI, Iraq (Reuters) - Two suicide bombings targeting U.S.-backed neighborhood patrols on Tuesday killed 33 people, highlighting the volatile situation north of Baghdad, where the U.S. military says al Qaeda gunmen are regrouping.

In the city of Baiji, Salahuddin province, a suicide bomber driving a vehicle rigged with explosives blew up at a checkpoint near a residential complex.

Iraqi army Major Shamil Mohammed and a senior provincial police official said 23 people were killed and 77 others wounded. The U.S. military and Interior Ministry in Baghdad earlier put the death toll at 20.


Up to 175 Kurdish rebels killed in Turkish air strike: military

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ANKARA (AFP) - Between 150 and 175 Kurdish rebels were killed in a Turkish air strike in northern Iraq on December 16, the Turkish military said Tuesday

"It is understood that between 150 and 175 terrorists... were rendered inffective," the general staff said in a statement on its web site.

"The figure does not include the terrorists who were rendered ineffective as a result of hideouts or caves collapsing in the air raid," it said.


Merry Christmas
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 03:13 pm
Quote:
Petraeus Letter to the Troops
"Hope has been rekindled."
Daily Standard
12/29/2007 12:00:00 AM

Editor's Note: On December 28, General David Petraeus, commander of Multi-National Force Iraq, sent the following letter to his troops.

Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, Coast Guardsmen, and Civilians of Multi-National Force-Iraq:

As 2007 draws to a close, you should look back with pride on what you, your fellow troopers, our Iraqi partners, and Iraqi Coalition civilians have achieved in 2007. A year ago, Iraq was racked by horrific violence and on the brink of civil war. Now, levels of violence and civilians and military casualties are significantly reduced and hope has been rekindled in many Iraqi communities. To be sure, the progress is reversible and there is much more to be done. Nonetheless, the hard-fought accomplishments of 2007 have been substantial, and I want to thank each of you for the contributions you made to them.

In response to the challenges that faced Iraq a year ago, we and our Iraqi partners adopted a new approach. We increased our focus on securing the Iraqi people and, in some cases, delayed transition of tasks to Iraqi forces. Additional U.S. and Georgian forces were deployed to theater, the tours of U.S. unites were extended, and Iraqi forces conducted a surge of their own, generating well over 100,000 more Iraqi police and soldiers during the year so that they, too, had additional forces to execute the new approach. In places like Ramadi, Baqubah, Arab Jabour, and Baghdad, you and our Iraqi brothers fought--often house by

house, block by block, and neighborhood by neighborhood--to wrest sanctuaries away from Al Qaeda-Iraq, to disrupt extremist militia elements, and to rid the streets of mafia-like criminals. Having cleared areas, you worked with Iraqis to retain them--establishing outposts in the areas we were securing, developing Iraqi Security Forces, and empowering locals to help our efforts. This approach has not been easy. It has required steadfastness in the conduct of tough offensive operations, creative solutions to the myriad problems on the ground, and persistence over the course of many months and during countless trying situations. Through it all, you have proven equal to every task, continually demonstrating an impressive ability to conduct combat and stability operations in an exceedingly complex environment.

Your accomplishments have given the Iraqi people new confidence and prompted many citizens to reject terror and confront those who practice it. As the months passed in 2007, in fact, the tribal awakening that began in Al Anbar Province spread to other parts of the country. Emboldened by improving security and tired of indiscriminate violence, extremist ideology, oppressive practices, and criminal activity, Iraqis increasingly rejected Al Qaeda-Iraq and rogue militia elements. Over time, the desire of Iraqis to contribute to their own security has manifested itself in citizens volunteering for the police, the Army, and concerned local citizen programs. It has been reflected in citizens providing information that has helped us find far more than double the number of arms and weapons caches we found last year. And it has been apparent in Iraqi communities now supporting their local security forces.

As a result of your hard work and that of our Iraqi comrades-in-arms--and with the support of the local populace in many areas--we have seen significant improvements in the security situation. The number of attacks per week is down some 60 percent from a peak in June of this year to a level last seen consistently in the early summer of 2005. With fewer attacks, we are also seeing significantly reduced loss of life. The number of civilian deaths is down by some 75 percent since its height a year ago, dropping to a level not seen since the beginning of 2006. And the number of Coalition losses is down substantially as well. We remain mindful that the past year's progress has been purchased through the sacrifice and selfless service of all those involved and that the new Iraq must still contend with innumerable enemies and obstacles. Al Qaeda-Iraq has been significantly degraded, but it remains capable of horrific bombings. Militia extremists have been disrupted, but they retain influence in many areas. Criminals have been apprehended, but far too many still roam Iraqi streets and intimidate local citizens and Iraqi officials. We and our Iraqi partners will have to deal with each of these challenges in the New Year to keep the situation headed in the right direction.

While the progress in a number of areas is fragile, the security improvements have significantly changed the situation in many parts of Iraq. It is now imperative

that we take advantage of these improvements by looking beyond the security arena and helping Iraqi military and political leaders as they develop solutions in other areas as well, solutions they can sustain over time. At the tactical level, this means an increasing focus on helping not just Iraqi Security Forces--with whom we must partner in all that we do--but also helping Iraqi governmental organizations as they endeavor to restore basic services, to create employment opportunities, to revitalize local markets, to refurbish schools, to spur local economic activity, and to keep locals involved in contributing to local security. We will have to do all of this, of course, while continuing to draw down our forces, thinning our presence, and gradually handing over responsibilities to our Iraqi partners. Meanwhile, at the national level, we will focus on helping the Iraqi Government integrate local volunteers into the Iraqi Security Forces and other employment, develop greater ministerial capacity and capability, aid displaced persons as they return, and, most importantly, take the all-important political and economic actions needed to exploit the opportunity provided by the gains in the security arena.

The pace of progress on important political actions to this point has been slower than Iraqi leaders had hoped. Still, there have been some important steps taken in recent months. Iraq's leaders reached agreement on the Declaration of Principles for Friendship and Cooperation with the United States, which lays the groundwork for an enduring relationship between our nations. The United Nations Security Council approved Iraq's request for a final renewal of the resolution that authorizes the Coalition to operate in Iraq. Iraq's leaders passed an important Pension Law that not only extends retirement benefits to Iraqis previously left out but also represents the first of what we hope will be additional measures fostering national reconciliation. And Iraq's leaders have debated at length a second reconciliation-related measure, the Accountability and Justice Bill (the de-Ba'athification Reform Law), as well as the 2008 National Budget, both which likely will be brought up for a vote in early 2008. Even so, all Iraqi participants recognize that much more must be done politically to put their country on an irreversible trajectory to national reconciliation and sustainable economic development. We will, needless to say, work closely with our Embassy teammates to support the Iraq Government as it strives to take advantage of the improved security environment by pursing political and economic progress.

The New Year will bring many changes. Substantial force rotations and adjustments already underway will continue. One Army brigade combat team and a Marine Expeditionary Unit have already redeployed without replacement. In the coming months, four additional brigades and two Marine battalions will follow suit. Throughout that time, we will continue to adapt to the security situation as it evolves. And in the midst of all the changes, we and our Iraqi partners will strive to maintain the momentum, to press the fight, and to pursue Iraq's enemies relentlessly. Solutions to many of the tough problems will continue to be found at your level, together with local Iraqi leaders and with your Iraqi Security Force partners, in company and battalion areas of operation and in individual neighborhoods an towns. As you and your Iraqi partners turn concepts into reality, additional progress will emerge slowly and fitfully. Over time, we will gradually see fewer bad days and accumulate more good days, good weeks, and good months.

The way ahead will not be easy. Inevitably, there will be more tough days and tough weeks. Unforeseen challenges will emerge. And success will require continued hard work, commitment, and initiative from all involved. As we look to the future, however, we should remember how far we have come in the past year. Thanks to the tireless efforts and courageous actions of the Iraqi people, Iraq's political and military leaders, the Iraqi Security Forces, and each of you, a great deal has been achieved in 2007. Thus, as we enter a new year, we and our Iraqi partners will have important accomplishments and a newfound sense of hope on which we can build.

As always, all or your leaders, our fellow citizens back home, and I deeply appreciate the dedication, professionalism, commitment, and courage you display on a daily basis. It remains the greatest of honors to serve with each of you in this critical endeavor.

Sincerely,

David H. Petraeus
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 03:18 pm
ican, What else do you expect general Petreaus to say? He's now playing politics; a no-no for the military.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 03:29 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, What else do you expect general Petreaus to say? He's now playing politics; a no-no for the military.

"A no-no for the military!" Shocked

I didn't know that! I thought Marshall, MacArthur, Nimitz, and Eisenhower--to name only a few--were conforming to accepted military decorum when they declared progress and praised the efforts of their troops and allies who contributed to that progress.

But then what did I know? I was 10 to 14 years of age 1941 to 1945. Just a dumb kid! Crying or Very sad
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 03:38 pm
Petraeus: And success will require continued hard work, commitment, and initiative from all involved.

What he is doing is playing politics in support of the Bush doctrine "to stay the course." That's not a goal; it's only a committment to stay as long as it takes.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 03:58 pm
ican711nm wrote:


But then what did I know? I was 10 to 14 years of age 1941 to 1945. Just a dumb kid! Crying or Very sad


The irony.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 04:04 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Petraeus: And success will require continued hard work, commitment, and initiative from all involved.

What he is doing is playing politics in support of the Bush doctrine "to stay the course." That's not a goal; it's only a committment to stay as long as it takes.

OH! Now I get it. Anyone who praises our Iraq efforts and their progress is just playing politics and complying with the Bush Doctrine. And the ones who criticizes same are insightful analysts of what is truly going on. And I've thought all along that such critics were nothing more than inciteful analysts.

Thank you for your brilliant incite ... oops sorry ... brilliant insight.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 04:21 pm
ican, Many of the soldiers serving in Iraq are now questioning why they are even there. You are as ignorant as Bush and company. It has nothing to do with "supporting our troops," but you apologists can only use it to question American patriotism. A narrow-minded, ignorant, conclusion. Americans always support our troops; we don't support this illegal war that does nothing for our security at home. The soldiers are being sacrificed for a cause that even Bush or Petraeus can't even articulate, because they don't even know.

FACT: There is no viable central Iraqi government. Without a central government, our occupation in Iraq only delays the inevitable crisis.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 05:09 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, Many of the soldiers serving in Iraq are now questioning why they are even there. You are as ignorant as Bush and company. It has nothing to do with "supporting our troops," but you apologists can only use it to question American patriotism. A narrow-minded, ignorant, conclusion. Americans always support our troops; we don't support this illegal war that does nothing for our security at home. The soldiers are being sacrificed for a cause that even Bush or Petraeus can't even articulate, because they don't even know.

FACT: There is no viable central Iraqi government. Without a central government, our occupation in Iraq only delays the inevitable crisis.

I didn't question your patriotism or your support for the troops.

But nonetheless you repeatedly post the same ol' Sorosaism religious doctrine. Soros is not merely your direct or indirect messenger. He's your god.

You wrote, "many of the soldiers serving in Iraq are now questioning why they are even there."

How many, or what percentage, of the soldiers serving in Iraq are now questioning why they are even there?

You wrote, "we don't support this illegal war that does nothing for our security at home."

Why do you think this war is illegal?

What USA laws does it violate?

What international laws does it violate?

What terrorist mass murderers have occurred at home that could have been better prevented if our troops stayed home?

Why do you think there is no viable Iraq central government?

What do you think will be the nature of what you called "the inevitable crisis?"


I bet you don't really know the real answers to any of my questions!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 05:54 pm
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, Many of the soldiers serving in Iraq are now questioning why they are even there. You are as ignorant as Bush and company. It has nothing to do with "supporting our troops," but you apologists can only use it to question American patriotism. A narrow-minded, ignorant, conclusion. Americans always support our troops; we don't support this illegal war that does nothing for our security at home. The soldiers are being sacrificed for a cause that even Bush or Petraeus can't even articulate, because they don't even know.

FACT: There is no viable central Iraqi government. Without a central government, our occupation in Iraq only delays the inevitable crisis.

I didn't question your patriotism or your support for the troops.

But nonetheless you repeatedly post the same ol' Sorosaism religious doctrine. Soros is not merely your direct or indirect messenger. He's your god.

You wrote, "many of the soldiers serving in Iraq are now questioning why they are even there."

How many, or what percentage, of the soldiers serving in Iraq are now questioning why they are even there?

You wrote, "we don't support this illegal war that does nothing for our security at home."

Why do you think this war is illegal?

What USA laws does it violate?

What international laws does it violate?

What terrorist mass murderers have occurred at home that could have been better prevented if our troops stayed home?

Why do you think there is no viable Iraq central government?

What do you think will be the nature of what you called "the inevitable crisis?"


I bet you don't really know the real answers to any of my questions!


I don't have to answer your ridiculous questions, because it's already been proven ad-nauseum by both domestic and international legal experts. We can only fault our congress for not doing their jobs in bringing impeachment proceedings against Bush and the criminal elements of his administration. You can't blame me for your blindness to the Bush approved torture of prisoners, or the simple fact that they have ignored UN and Geneva Conventions (including Habeus Corpus).
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 05:58 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Petraeus: And success will require continued hard work, commitment, and initiative from all involved.

What he is doing is playing politics in support of the Bush doctrine "to stay the course." That's not a goal; it's only a committment to stay as long as it takes.


This is playing politics pure and simple. Too bad you're too ignorant to notice.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 06:09 pm
c.i. wrote :

Quote:
I don't have to answer your ridiculous questions, because it's already been proven ad-nauseum by both domestic and international legal experts. We can only fault our congress for not doing their jobs in bringing impeachment proceedings against Bush and the criminal elements of his administration. You can't blame me for your blindness to the Bush approved torture of prisoners, or the simple fact that they have ignored UN and Geneva Conventions (including Habeus Corpus).


c.i. :
even if president bush might one day state that the invasion of iraq was illegal - as apparently even richard perle has admitted - , i'm confident that ican will state that the invasion was LEGAL ! CASE CLOSED !
hbg
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 06:14 pm
No surprise that the lawyers that somehow want us to read the rights to enemy combatants, or perhaps allow them to call their lawyers before being shot or blown up by them, now want to argue over whether a war is legal. How funny!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 06:16 pm
okie wrote:
No surprise that the lawyers that somehow want us to read the rights to enemy combatants, or perhaps allow them to call their lawyers before being shot or blown up by them, now want to argue over whether a war is legal. How funny!



It is funny, because the likes of you will never get it!
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 06:22 pm
Congress gave authorization, and that seems to me to be enough to make it legal, unless you want the U.N. to tell the president what to do?
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