THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

realjohnboy wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

The US can temporarily reduce the current load on the Iraq power grid; build more power stations; stop sabotage by stopping saboteurs; stop saboteurs by doing a better job protecting Iraq infrastructure; do a better job protecting Iraq infrastructure by delegating that job to a more competent Iraq government; get a more competent Iraq government by refusing to do the current Iraq government's job for them.

Meanwhile our military should continue capturing or exterminating al-Qaeda.

Do you really expect any of those things to happen?

Of course, all you have to do is click your heels and repeat:

"I do believe, I do believe, I do believe, I do..."

Ican has even drunk the Al-Qaeda kool-aid as if Al-Qaeda is the major obstacle in Iraq. The fact is that there is no military solution in Iraq and the prospects of some kind of political solution are bleak at best.

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Ican, it is virtually impossible to guard hundreds of miles of pipeline and electric grid. The insurgents have no problem in taking them out.

The Reps would love to bomb DC. Fred Thompson's main plank is to esentially dissolve the federal government.

Advocate wrote:

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Ican, it is virtually impossible to guard hundreds of miles of pipeline and electric grid. The insurgents have no problem in taking them out.

I disagree. With live satellite observation, air support, wireless communications, and ground personnel located within visual range of their neighbors and their assigned sections of pipeline or electric power lines, it can now be done.

ican711nm wrote:

Advocate wrote:

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Ican, it is virtually impossible to guard hundreds of miles of pipeline and electric grid. The insurgents have no problem in taking them out.

I disagree. With live satellite observation, air support, wireless communications, and ground personnel located within visual range of their neighbors and their assigned sections of pipeline or electric power lines, it can now be done.

Ican - why argue? Here the world-famous aerial reconnaissance plus communications interception expert, Advocate, disagrees with you

ican711nm wrote:

Advocate wrote:

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Ican, it is virtually impossible to guard hundreds of miles of pipeline and electric grid. The insurgents have no problem in taking them out.

I disagree. With live satellite observation, air support, wireless communications, and ground personnel located within visual range of their neighbors and their assigned sections of pipeline or electric power lines, it can now be done.

Ican - why argue? Here the world-famous aerial reconnaissance plus communications interception expert, Advocate, disagrees with you

Oh, is that the reason it keeps getting destroyed; their satellite observation. Don't they need electricity for that?

With live satellite observation, air support, wireless communications, and ground personnel located within visual range of their neighbors and their assigned sections of pipeline or electric power lines, it can now be done.

High Seas wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

Advocate wrote:

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Ican, it is virtually impossible to guard hundreds of miles of pipeline and electric grid. The insurgents have no problem in taking them out.

I disagree. With live satellite observation, air support, wireless communications, and ground personnel located within visual range of their neighbors and their assigned sections of pipeline or electric power lines, it can now be done.

Ican - why argue? Here the world-famous aerial reconnaissance plus communications interception expert, Advocate, disagrees with you

I agree with Advocate, and I highly doubt you've studied much military history if you disagree with him.

From a personal point of view, I will tell you, that with hundreds of miles of supply lines available to attack, and a moderate amount of human resources, you would be unable to stop me from crippling the energy and oil pipelines using the methods Ican describes. There is no reason to assume that the Iraqi insurgents are any less capable.

Cycloptichorn

on edit: And, I should add, the proof is in the pudding; the US has proven itself to be unable to stop these attacks from taking place.

Sometimes, I get the feeling that none of you on the Right have studied Guerrilla warfare, insurgencies, and the such, at all. You don't seem to have a firm grasp on how the tactics work.

ican wrote (in part) :

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With live satellite observation, air support, wireless communications, and ground personnel located within visual range of their neighbors and their assigned sections of pipeline or electric power lines, it can now be done.

one has to wonder why it isn't done already ?
(as an aside , not even the u.s.-mexican border is being controlled adequately at present - from what i hear)
hbg

The Iraqi government is broken.


Cabinet setback as Iraqi MPs quit
Five Iraqi MPs have announced a boycott of cabinet meetings, deepening the political crisis and leaving the unity government without any Sunni members.
The ministers, who are loyal to former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, blamed what they said was the Shia-led government's failure to end sectarian favouritism.

The Iraqiya List ministers included Sunni and Shia Muslims and a Christian.

Iraq's largest Sunni-Arab bloc, the Accordance Front, withdrew six ministers from the cabinet last week.

So far this year, 17 government ministers - nearly half of the cabinet - have either suspended their participation or quit.

The BBC's Andy Gallacher in Baghdad says it is a serious setback for any attempts at reconciliation between Shia and Sunni factions.
Our correspondent says the latest events leave the administration of Prime Minister Nouri Maliki looking more fragile than ever.

Iraqi MPs are not due to return to parliament until early September when their holidays end.