THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

ican, You're the one who doesn't understand anything. We have dummy Bush as president, and he doesn't listen to any advice. You probably didn't notice all these years, but some people can grasp these things after a year or two - it's been five years.

Please pay attention and try hard to understand.

I have at least a half-dozen times in this thread agreed that Bush and his administration are incompetent. However, their incompetence does not relieve us of our responsibility to our progeny and to each other to solve the Iraq problem Bush et al have thus far failed to solve.

Bush supports Maliki; that's the only support Maliki has in the whole wide world. He can't do anything in Iraq for the Iraqi people. The Iraqi government is nonfunctional. Do you understand what "nonfunctional" means?

Please pay attention and try hard to understand.

YES, the Maliki government is also incompetent (e.g., "non-functional"). However, their incompetence does not relieve us of our responsibility to our progeny and to each other to solve the problem the Maliki government has thus far failed to solve.

The civil war in Iraq is country-wide. It's not an isolated city/county problem; it's a national problem. No national government, no national agreements. It's real simple logic, but people like you have your head up your arse. Try to breathe some fresh air sometime; you need it.

Please pay attention and try hard to understand.

YES, the civil war (as well as the al-Qaeda war) in Iraq is countrywide and is a national problem. However, none of these facts relieve us of our responsibility to our progeny and to each other to solve the problem we have has thus far failed to solve.

Let me just ask you this, Ican; if in three or four years there has not been any significant improvement in either fxing Iraq or getting all the so called al-Qaeda in Iraq; would you then decide that perhaps western nations are not meant to fix or occupy (in all but name) middle east nations?

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Let me just ask you this, Ican; if in three or four years there has not been any significant improvement in either fxing Iraq or getting all the so called al-Qaeda in Iraq; would you then decide that perhaps western nations are not meant to fix or occupy (in all but name) middle east nations?

NO! I would not decide western nations were not "meant" to fix or occurpy middle east nations--not even if the elapsed time were 30 to 40 years.

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revel wrote:
Let me just ask you this, Ican; if in three or four years there has not been any significant improvement in either fxing Iraq or getting all the so called al-Qaeda in Iraq; would you then decide that perhaps western nations are not meant to fix or occupy (in all but name) middle east nations?

NO! I would not decide western nations were not "meant" to fix or occurpy middle east nations--not even if the elapsed time were 30 to 40 years.

so are we to understand that "western nations are meant to fix and occupy the middle eastern nations" ?

perhaps my knowledge of the english language is insufficient to properly understand ican .

i won't go any further into this until i understand what ican truly meant .
hbg

ican, I do not believe you even understand what's going on in Iraq.

Iraqi power grid nearing collapse


By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer
29 minutes ago



BAGHDAD - Iraq's power grid is on the brink of collapse because of insurgent sabotage, rising demand, fuel shortages and provinces that are unplugging local power stations from the national grid, officials said Saturday.

What do you think our military or the Iraqi government can do to turn this around?

My point was: just because a problem has not been solved after a very long time, does not mean it is not meant or not fated to ever be solved. On the other hand, I think because a problem has not been solved after a very long time, probably those trying to solve it are unable to solve it.

ican, Try to learn a little bit about reality concepts. The US represents only five percent of the world's population. We can't illegal attack all countries that do not have a democracy to force democracy on them. You see, it's a simple matter of logic called logistics.

We don't have the manpower or the treasure to force our will on the rest of the world. [Maybe] Most people already hate us for our occupation of Iraq.

The US can temporarily reduce the current load on the Iraq power grid; build more power stations; stop sabotage by stopping saboteurs; stop saboteurs by doing a better job protecting Iraq infrastructure; do a better job protecting Iraq infrastructure by delegating that job to a more competent Iraq government; get a more competent Iraq government by refusing to do the current Iraq government's job for them.

Meanwhile our military should continue capturing or exterminating al-Qaeda.

are we in some agreement after all
let's make sure we don't become TOO conformist !!!
we need someone to lob some arguments into this sedate crowd now and then !
hbg

ican711nm wrote:

The US can temporarily reduce the current load on the Iraq power grid; build more power stations; stop sabotage by stopping saboteurs; stop saboteurs by doing a better job protecting Iraq infrastructure; do a better job protecting Iraq infrastructure by delegating that job to a more competent Iraq government; get a more competent Iraq government by refusing to do the current Iraq government's job for them.

Meanwhile our military should continue capturing or exterminating al-Qaeda.

Do you really expect any of those things to happen?

190,000 weapons 'missing in Iraq'

ican711nm wrote:

The US can temporarily reduce the current load on the Iraq power grid; build more power stations; stop sabotage by stopping saboteurs; stop saboteurs by doing a better job protecting Iraq infrastructure; do a better job protecting Iraq infrastructure by delegating that job to a more competent Iraq government; get a more competent Iraq government by refusing to do the current Iraq government's job for them.

Meanwhile our military should continue capturing or exterminating al-Qaeda.

Do you really expect any of those things to happen?