THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, ELEVENTH THREAD

mm, This is why, you imbecile.

Panel calls for improved veterans care

mm, This is probably too spacial for you, but do you understand the implications?


By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer
44 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - A presidential commission on Wednesday urged broad changes to veterans' care that would boost benefits for family members helping the wounded, establish an easy-to-use Web site for medical records and overhaul the way disability pay is awarded.


The nine-member panel, led by former Sen. Bob Dole, R-Kan., and Donna Shalala, health and human services secretary during the Clinton administration, also recommended stronger partnerships between the Pentagon and the private sector to boost treatment for traumatic brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder.

A 29-page report was presented to President Bush in the Oval Office, just after the Senate addressed some of the issues Wednesday morning by passing sweeping legislation to expand brain screenings, reduce red tape and boost military pay.

"Gone are the countless calls for appointments," said Shalala, who said the proposals would provide more customized, personalized care to injured Iraq war veterans. "Gone are the days of telling the same thing to doctors over and over again."


There's no cure for stupid.

[Iranian sociologist Ali] Shariati's argument is that ordinary Muslims become so mesmerized with the wealth and power of the West that they become blinded to its severe defects. ... 30

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The second obstacle to the revival of Islam, fundamentalists say, is the well-orchestrated campaign by the United States to impose its values on the Muslim world.
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Fundamentalists argue America does this partly through force, by occupying countries like Afghanistan and Iraq and then pressing them to adopt American institutions and values. ... 32

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Another way that America thrusts its values on Muslims, fundamentalists say, is through the United Nations and various non-governmental organizations (NGOs). In a 1997 interview, the radical sheikh Omar Abd al-Rahman accused America and other Western nations of "allocating huge amounts of money to the United Nations conference on population that came out with resolutions encouraging girls to give up their honor and chastity, resolutions to weakon the authority of parents over children." ... 33

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A further mechanism for the imposiion of American values is the rule of U.S.-supported dictators ... . These dictators typically restrict or even eliminate Islamic laws and rules, replacing them with Western laws and institutions. ... 34

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Here, then, is the heart of the radical Muslims' case against America and the West. Fundamentalists portray America as a nominally Christian but de facto atheist society. ... 36

MM, there must be high level concern the military health care system if people are suing and if a panel held that it needs to be improved. You made your statement of not having any complaints of military health care directly after a post talking about veterans suing the military about their health care. It was reasonable to assume you were inferring that since you or anyone you know hasn't any complaints about their care in the military; you think these people who are complaining are making the problem more than it is.

Let's just make this simple; do you believe those who say the health care in the military sucks and needs to improve? If you do, then let's just move on with all of us in agreement. If not, you are calling those who are suing, liars.

WHAT DO MUSLIMS CLAIM THREATENS THE EXISTENCE OF ISLAM?

D'Souza in TEAH, pages 113 and 114, wrote:

[Iranian sociologist Ali] Shariati's argument is that ordinary Muslims become so mesmerized with the wealth and power of the West that they become blinded to its severe defects. ... 30

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The second obstacle to the revival of Islam, fundamentalists say, is the well-orchestrated campaign by the United States to impose its values on the Muslim world.
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Fundamentalists argue America does this partly through force, by occupying countries like Afghanistan and Iraq and then pressing them to adopt American institutions and values. ... 32

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Another way that America thrusts its values on Muslims, fundamentalists say, is through the United Nations and various non-governmental organizations (NGOs). In a 1997 interview, the radical sheikh Omar Abd al-Rahman accused America and other Western nations of "allocating huge amounts of money to the United Nations conference on population that came out with resolutions encouraging girls to give up their honor and chastity, resolutions to weakon the authority of parents over children." ... 33

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A further mechanism for the imposiion of American values is the rule of U.S.-supported dictators ... . These dictators typically restrict or even eliminate Islamic laws and rules, replacing them with Western laws and institutions. ... 34

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Here, then, is the heart of the radical Muslims' case against America and the West. Fundamentalists portray America as a nominally Christian but de facto atheist society. ... 36

There's no cure for stupid.

McG, You fall into the same basket as mm, so don't think you're gaining any points on this thread by your dumbass retorts.

ican711nm wrote:

WHAT DO MUSLIMS CLAIM THREATENS THE EXISTENCE OF ISLAM?

D'Souza in TEAH, pages 113 and 114, wrote:

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Another way that America thrusts its values on Muslims, fundamentalists say, is through the United Nations and various non-governmental organizations (NGOs)
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This is laughable, but hey. Nothing more or less then what I expected.

Now, what does D'Souza suggest we do about this? Stop promoting equality of the sexes? Abandon the UN? Stop propping up Middle East dictators? I'm actually quite interested

Cycloptichorn

As a consequence of the left's prominent role in international activism and popular culture, traditional Muslims see one America and do not realize that there are two Americas. The see the immorality of blue America and take it to be representative of all America. The Turkish journalist Mustafa Akyol points out that this ignorance is exploited by bin Laden and his allies. "The masterminds of Islamic radicalism work hard to mask the religiosity and decency of average Americans." ... 3

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In order to build alliances with traditional Muslims, the right must take three critical steps. First, stop attacking Islam. Conservatives have to cease blaming Islam for the behavior of the radical Muslims. Recently the right has produced a spate of Islamophobic tracts with titles like Islam Unveiled, Sword of the Prophet, and the The Myth of Islamic Tolerance. There is probably no better way to repel traditional Muslims, and push them into the radical camp, than to attack their religion, and their prophet.

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A second way for conservatives to build ties with traditional Muslims is to let them govern their own societies. This is the meaning of Islamic democracy--Muslims must choose their own way. Iraq is the test case for this. If the people of Iraq want Islam to be the state religion, we should allow it to happen. If they want sharia, let them have it.

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So my third recommendation is for the Bush administration, and conservatives generally, to level with traditional Muslims and talk sense to them. Currently, Muslims who raise difficult questions about U.S. foreign policy are met with uneasy equivocations. Many traditional Muslims who do not support Hamas or Hezbollah nevertheless question the role of America as an honest broker in the Middle East.

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In the social domain, the right is perfectly poised to forge an alliance with traditional Muslims. The natural basis for this alliance is the moral framework shared by Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Conservatives need to discover what several thoughtful Muslims have already recognized. The attitude of the ordinary Muslims to the liberal assault on the family, Seyyed Hossein Nast writes, "is not much different from those of traditional Jews and Christians in the West." As Nasr puts it, "Secularism is the common enemy ... Men and women in the West who are still devoted to the life of faith should know that those closest to them in this world are Muslims." ... 6

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The right can restore American influence in the U.N. by working cooperatively with non-Western cultures to stop the liberal cultural aggression that operates under the pretext of "human rights" and "international law."

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Expose the domestic insurgency.

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In order to crush the Islamic radicals abroad, we must defeat the enemy at home.

"Secularism is the common enemy ... Men and women in the West who are still devoted to the life of faith should know that those closest to them in this world are Muslims." ... 6

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The right can restore American influence in the U.N. by working cooperatively with non-Western cultures to stop the liberal cultural aggression that operates under the pretext of "human rights" and "international law."

Mr. Chairman, when the airplane took off and the captain announced that we were heading to Baghdad, all you-know-what broke out on the airplane. The men started shouting, it wasn't until the security guy working for First Kuwaiti waved an MP5 in the air that the men settled down. They realized that they had no other choice but to go to Baghdad. Let me spell it out clearly: I believe these men were kidnapped by First Kuwaiti to work at the US Embassy… I've read the State Department Inspector General's report on the construction of the embassy. Mr. Chairman, it's not worth the paper it's printed on. This is a cover-up and I'm glad that I've had the opportunity to set the record straight.

It's statements like these which make me question what country D'Souza - and you, if you support what he's saying - thinks he lives in.

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"Secularism is the common enemy ... Men and women in the West who are still devoted to the life of faith should know that those closest to them in this world are Muslims." ... 6

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The right can restore American influence in the U.N. by working cooperatively with non-Western cultures to stop the liberal cultural aggression that operates under the pretext of "human rights" and "international law."

America is first and foremost a Secular nation. This will never change. Our national and avowed values are the secular values of Freedom and Equality. If you are against this, as D'Souza appears to be, you are inherently anti-American.

Your characterization of America as, "first and foremost a Secular nation" is malarkey. I'll post some excerpts from the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution of the United States of America, and the Pledge of Allegiance to the United States of America to support my allegation. I'll also post my own definition of classical liberal values. Freedom and equality are not originally secular values. They were originally religious values and their distortions were subsequently adopted by leftist secularists.

Are you honestly advocating that we stop the 'liberal cultural aggression' that we call human rights, and international law? I just want to be clear on this before I begin to ridicule you.

Yes! What you call "the 'liberal cultural aggression' that we call human rights, and international law" is a distortion ... no it's a disgusting corruption of classical liberalism, the values on which our nation was originally founded.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

It's statements like these which make me question what country D'Souza - and you, if you support what he's saying - thinks he lives in.

Quote:

"Secularism is the common enemy ... Men and women in the West who are still devoted to the life of faith should know that those closest to them in this world are Muslims." ... 6

...

The right can restore American influence in the U.N. by working cooperatively with non-Western cultures to stop the liberal cultural aggression that operates under the pretext of "human rights" and "international law."

America is first and foremost a Secular nation. This will never change. Our national and avowed values are the secular values of Freedom and Equality. If you are against this, as D'Souza appears to be, you are inherently anti-American.

Your characterization of America as, "first and foremost a Secular nation" is malarkey. I'll post some excerpts from the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution of the United States of America, and the Pledge of Allegiance to the United States of America to support my allegation. I'll also post my own definition of classical liberal values. Freedom and equality are not originally secular values. They were originally religious values and their distortions were subsequently adopted by leftist secularists.

Are you honestly advocating that we stop the 'liberal cultural aggression' that we call human rights, and international law? I just want to be clear on this before I begin to ridicule you.

Yes! What you call "the 'liberal cultural aggression' that we call human rights, and international law" is a distortion ... no it's a disgusting corruption of classical liberalism, the values on which our nation was originally founded.

Cycloptichorn

The Declaration of Independence
(Adopted in Congress 4 July 1776)
The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
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