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CHIRAC, SARKOZY The French Right prepares for presidentials

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 09:00 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
(Besides being a Socialist ... Royal est une femme )


I think this is the largest hurdle she has to overcome. Women just are not visible in French politics.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 09:02 am
That's what I meant.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 24 Apr, 2007 05:00 pm
Regarding "the left of the left", or the variety of "little" candidates to the left of Segolene Royal now looking silly with just one-point-something percent each, it's probably interesting to note that for some time, the idea had been to establish a common campaign, and a common "anti-liberal" candidate.

In hindsight, that would have definitely been wise. After all, even now after their collective humiliating defeat, the various candidates to the left of Royal still pooled over 10% of the vote - unified in one vote, that would have left Jean-Marie Le Pen in fifth place.

Blame the bonanza of 2002, when the "left of the left" pooled no less than 27% in all, and each of the far-left candidates was individually showered with four, five percent - whether it was the Trotskyites Laguiller and Besancenot, the Green Mamere, or the dissident socialist Chevenement (in addition to the Communist Hue). In light of such results, the temptation to again each try by oneself proved too big (with the exception of Chevenement, who went on to bigger things as the intellectual patron of Segolene Royal's campaign).

There was also the issue of the Communist Party's insistence to be, more or less, in charge of the enterprise. Historically, this might have been defensible, but considering that Hue had actually done worse than either of the Trots in '02, it was not appreciated.

Apart from vanities, however, there was another reason behind the failure of the project. This was the Communist Party's simultaneous inability to really choose between two competing concepts. On the one hand, the proposed, unified, leftist antiliberal camp, which would by definition profile itself as the "true" left in opposition to the Socialist Party; on the other, that of "la gauche plurielle", the "pluralistic left", which had previously brought Socialists, Communists and Greens into shared government responsibility in Lionel Jospin's coalition, before 2002. The Communists did not want to definitely close the door to co-operation with the Socialists and possible future government responsibility. That potential for "betrayal" was too much for the more doctrinary Trots of Besancenot, who in return played their role in scuppering the deal.

Now the dust has settled, we find the entire "left of the left" camp in tatters, the Communist Party most of all. With one exception: Besancenot, who almost kept his score in percentage terms (4,1%) and actually received more votes than last time round - netting a total of almost 1,5 million. No other candidate to the left of Royal got even half that. His sectarian Revolutionary Communist League now congratulates itself on its "clear policy of independence vis-vis the Socialist Party" and the way the results "confirm that there is an anticapitalist Left" and that roles and relations in respect to it are "being cleared up". It derides the line of Communist Marie-George Buffet as having been "impossible to make out". No longer will it bother to appeal for an anti-liberal coalition, when it is now so clearly left best placed to capture that electorate by itself.

So who are those one and a half million Besancenot voters?

The candidate, a young man still earning his money as mailman, is associated with the antiglobalism of the leftist youth. On election night, he again insisted that "une autre monde est possible", "another world is possible", echoing the slogan of the ideologically diffuse, European antiglobalist youth movement. As noted above (:wink:), he lists his favourite music as Manu Chao, the mainstay of any alternative cafe's CD player the last ten years, and NTM, the French hip hop crew whose initials stand for F*ck Your Mother.

All this suggests a core support of "revolutionary chic", in contrast with the stodgy traditionalist remaining voters of the Communist Party and the workerist, unionist, low-income voters who propelled rival Trot Arlette Laguiller to over 5% in 2002. But the electoral map does not bear this out.

For example, in trendy, intellectual, middle-class Paris proper (which, unlike the fiercely left Berlin and Amsterdam or the postcommunist mainstay Budapest, but like the overwhelmingly rightwing, pro-market city of Prague, leans right rather than left), Segolene Royal, Nicolas Sarkozy and Francois Bayrou all did clearly better than average. All the other candidates, both far right and far left, did noticeably worse. Le Pen got less than 5%, and Besancenot just 2,1% - and the other far-left candidates less. So thats not where his voters were.

Neither were they, particularly, in university cities. It's true that Besancenot's support is much more evenly spread around the country than the Communist Party's support ever was - urban, suburban or rural, North, South, West or East, it is almost always between 3-7% The Communists had their bulwarks; Besancenot doesnt seem to have them much. Which pleads for the "youth subculture" explanation.

But when you look at the few districts where he did get 7-8%, they appear to be all in depressed, (post)industrial areas, with little trendiness in sight. All in the North, most of them at the sea (harbour towns?) To list them:

  • Departement Seine-Maritime; Circonscription Sotteville-les-Rouen
  • Departement Pas-de-Calais; Circonscription Bruay-la-Buissiere
  • Departement Pas-de-Calais; Circonscription Lievin
  • Departement Nord; Circonscription Dunkerque-Ouest
  • Departement Moselle; Circonscription Moyeuvre-Grande
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2007 02:12 pm
François Bayrou is unwilling to endorse either of the run-off candidates:

Swissinfo-dot-com quotes Reuters
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2007 03:32 pm
Not so much astonishing in my opinion
Not a big surprise as well that Bayrou announced he would create a new centrist Democratic Party, which will put up candidates in the forthcoming general elections in June.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2007 03:44 pm
Yeah, he'd have been a fool to endorse either candidate.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 09:36 am
Today, there has been a "tv duell" between Ségolène Royal eand François Bayrou (sic!), shown on a private tv- channel and broadcasted live as well on the private very popular Radio Monaco radio station.

They didn't make a new deal ... but agreed on quite a lot.

Seems, this might convince more center voter to switch to the left.
(French sources report, Sarkozy was more than only upset that this happened and was broadcasted - he reacted "très virulente".)

http://i14.tinypic.com/2i768v7.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 01:08 pm
A comment from this week's Jewish Chronicle
Quote:
Moins français... plus juif

The French community voted this week on religious and ethnic grounds, perhaps for the first time, says Daniella Peled


source:
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Jewish Chronicle, 27.04.07, page 39
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 12:07 am
In the Labour MP DennisMcShane comments on Sarkozy

Sarkozy will be better for Gordon Brown's Britain.

Quote:
Royal may still win if all the far left and Bayrou centrist votes come her way next Sunday. But she has disappointed many on the European left with her erratic foreign policy line, especially her embrace of anti-European politicians such as the Tony Benn of the French left, Jean-Pierre Chevenement. Just as Margaret Thatcher found a supporter when Argentina's junta invaded the Falklands in the socialist Mitterrand, Prime Minister Brown will find centre-right President Nicolas Sarkozy a man he can do business with despite their adherence to opposing political families.


And in France (survey taken on April 25, 1000 participants, by phone; published today in the Parisien, page 4) ...

... Royal leads in "sympathy" while Sarkozy is more liked due to his "sound basis"

http://i19.tinypic.com/44jdiz7.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 12:28 am
This is the survey published in today's Journal du Dimanche (page 4) - none of the surveys reflect the possible results of yesterday's tv-dabate, though.

http://i11.tinypic.com/2i9jhwm.jpg
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 05:20 am
Walter, aren't you encouraged by these signs of a reawakening in France?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 05:24 am
No. Not after having suffered for such a long period under a conservative-ledt coalition by now. I got blunted.
(And your constant ranting put me over the edge, too. :wink: )
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 05:32 am
I've noticed that Westphalian Social Democrats can be quite unrepentant and unyielding -- even in the face of the social and economic progress already achieved under the Merkel government in Germany.

In comparison, my commentary on the French election has been a model of restraint --- almost Nimh-like in its balance and fair treatment of the facts. :wink:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 05:41 am
Nice early morning mass sermon, George - pax tecum! :wink:
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 05:43 am
Well, you do have a point there. I'm sorry -- just a friendly poke in the eye.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 05:46 am
As long as the French vote what they want - why can we complain?
(And they shouldn't afterwards!!!)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 11:50 pm
Quote:
Europe's leaders pin their hopes on Sarkozy victory

· Gaullist could win change in EU without referendum
· Blair backs plan to push through mini-treaty


Ian Traynor in Paris
Monday April 30, 2007
The Guardian


Europe's key leaders are rooting for the right in France's presidential contest, hoping that Nicolas Sarkozy, as the new French president, will link up with them to reform the EU and reach swift agreement on a new rulebook for the union.

Mr Sarkozy has a reputation for protectionism and hostility to the European commission, and has attacked the European central bank and indulged in electioneering euro-bashing. Nonetheless, Tony Blair, Germany's Angela Merkel and José Manuel Barroso, the European commission president, all view him as the best hope for striking a new pact on how to run Europe.

Polls give him a lead of about five percentage points over his Socialist rival, Ségolène Royal, in the run-up to next Sunday's vote. More surprising is his clear lead among the European elite, left and right. Officials in Brussels say Europe's key figures on the centre-left and centre-right agree that a Royal victory next Sunday would be a setback for the prospects of salvaging a slimmed-down EU constitution.
While mercurial and difficult, Mr Sarkozy is expected to move quickly to seal a deal on a new constitution with Mr Blair or Gordon Brown, and Ms Merkel, who has made the constitutional project the centrepiece of her current EU presidency.

"Sarkozy has already discussed this issue with Blair, Merkel, and [Spanish prime minister] Zapatero," said Axel Poniatowski, a French MP and aide to Mr Sarkozy. "Our main partners are aware of what he would do if elected."

In the search for a consensus on a new European treaty that would give the EU a president, foreign minister, and new voting system, Mr Blair has in recent days been canvassing the Germans, Dutch and central Europeans.

A common position on an "amending treaty" that is not called a constitution and would be subject only to parliamentary ratification is emerging between the British, Dutch, Swedes, Czechs and Poles, to present to Mrs Merkel who is to finalise a constitutional roadmap by June. With the French election the most crucial event in the EU this year, much hinges on Sunday's result.

"Everything depends on Sarkozy," said a senior government official from central Europe involved in the negotiations. "But Blair is also a bit frightened of Sarkozy because no one knows what the French will do. Sarkozy might be prepared to go further on the constitution than Blair would like."

If Mr Sarkozy wins on Sunday, he is expected to go to Berlin and Brussels within a couple of weeks of taking office to hammer out a deal on the constitution that was set back severely when the French and Dutch rejected it in referendums two years ago. Sarkozy aides say he wants a quick agreement on the new EU regime, one that avoids further referendums, and enables France and the Netherlands to "save face".

"It's a big gamble for Sarkozy," said Philippe Moreau Defarges, a French foreign policy analyst. "He is the only one with a clear strategy on Europe, but that strategy is not credible. He wants a mini-treaty, without a referendum because he would lose it. But it's the same baby dressed in new clothes."

Jean-Thomas Lesueur, a Paris thinktank analyst, agrees. "Sarkozy will sneak a new treaty in through the back door. But Europe is a big challenge for him because he wants to use Europe to protect France against globalisation. He's 10 years out of date"

If fellow European leaders hope a Sarkozy presidency will bring dynamism to reforming the EU, there is also a strong suspicion that the Gaullist may seek to liberalise France while closing up Europe. He is a strong opponent of Turkish membership and lukewarm on further EU enlargement, while his economic policies could put him at odds with a prime minister Brown.

"He is a liberal in France because we need some changes," Mr Poniatowski said. "But Europe today is probably the most open market in the world. He's saying that today the EU needs to decide on its borders. We're not obliged to be completely open, we need some kind of European protectionism."

At a glance

The divisive, robust Gaullist outlook of Nicolas Sarkozy may appear to have little in common with New Labour, but his campaign is believed to have sought and had campaign advice from the Blair camp. Peter Mandelson, New Labour architect and EU trade commissioner, has met Mr Sarkozy three times this year. He has not met Ségolène Royal. In public Mr Sarkozy has criticised Mr Mandelson for "irresponsible" European trade policies and for being the embodiment of an "Anglo-Saxon" European commission. But Mr Mandelson is said to have arranged a Sarkozy visit to Downing Street and in a private meeting with François Fillon, tipped to be the next prime minister of France under a Sarkozy presidency, was asked for tips on election strategy and tactics.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 12:17 am
A photo from today's Le Figaro's frontpage ...

http://i16.tinypic.com/52pryj5.jpg ... and page 7

http://i16.tinypic.com/4y0e4ph.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/4pjqhja.jpg


Report in the Independent: Sarkozy: I am no fascist (even if I sound like one)
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 11:21 am
There is no level to which the Socialists (and Social Democrats) will not stoop.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 02:17 pm
Some even think that certain conservatives are actually quite intelligent people and worth being met personally. Shocked

But suppose, those suffer under this psychosomatic celebral dysfunction in happy solitude and privacy.
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