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CHIRAC, SARKOZY The French Right prepares for presidentials

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 01:14 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Pleas elaborate. Nothing on this reported here. Are the final numbers different from thiose posted above?

Quite a bit. The conservatives will get their majority, but forget about a "blue wave". The Socialists did much better than expected just a week ago; the conservatives get about 100 seats less than was then still predicted.

This is the current projection of the results:

http://medias.lemonde.fr/mmpub/edt/ill/2007/06/17/h_3_sieges_463_t2_20h05.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 01:16 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Pleas elaborate. Nothing on this reported here. Are the final numbers different from thiose posted above?


Well, either you get only biased conservative news or didn't listen carefully - since 75 minutes none of the (major) international and national French agencies/papers reported differently:
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Polling agencies projected that Sarkozy's Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) and its allies would have 341-357 seats in the next National Assembly, well above the 289 seats needed for a majority in the 577-seat body. The Socialists and their leftist allies did better than expected, with projections giving them 214-233 seats.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 01:19 pm
Additional pic to nimh's:

http://i18.tinypic.com/4uu9g5c.jpg

I mean, in the afternoon spokespersons/leading politicans for the left still hoped (!) not to fall too much below 100 seats or better get that number ...
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 01:25 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Well, either you get only biased conservative news or didn't listen carefully - since 75 minutes none of the (major) international and national French agencies/papers reported differently

Geez Walter, perhaps he's just watching the news on TV or something.. no need to jump at his throat over every little thing.

Specially considering he's, like, the only American around who's actually following this thing in the first place..
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 01:42 pm
Feeling a bit grumpy today, Walter? This story will not be on U.S. television. Hell, it made the 7 am news on NPR but then disappeared.

-Real(the other American paying attention)JohnBoy
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 02:10 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, either you get only biased conservative news or didn't listen carefully - since 75 minutes none of the (major) international and national French agencies/papers reported differently:
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Polling agencies projected that Sarkozy's Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) and its allies would have 341-357 seats in the next National Assembly, well above the 289 seats needed for a majority in the 577-seat body. The Socialists and their leftist allies did better than expected, with projections giving them 214-233 seats.


Thanks for the information. Since arising I have spent an hour in the gym, enjoyed a pleasant breakfast in the garden, done about an hour's reading of a history of Europe since 1945 (Judt), and idled a bit of time on these threads while catching up on e-mail. Happily I have avoided the TV and newspapers.

Apart from my generally enlightened opinions, I don't believe I have any subjective biases at all.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 02:10 pm
Okay, okay.

I officially admit tha George is one of the best informed and most interested persons in America re actual French politics.

Honi soit qui mal y pense. :wink:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 02:12 pm
Juppé lost his seat in Bordeaux .... and thus Sarkozy his first cabinet minister. :wink:
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 02:14 pm
Well that is high praise coming from Walter. He is really a good guy, a bit critical, but he doesn't carry any grudges or have any meanness in him. He just can't forgive me for having different political views.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 02:16 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Juppé lost his seat in Bordeaux .... and thus Sarkozy his first cabinet minister. :wink:


Just couldn't suystain the good feeling could you? Laughing
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Letty
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 02:16 pm
Been watching this thread as well, and I was interested when I read about this guy:

The convicted assassin and terrorist known popularly as "Carlos the Jackal" - Venezuelan-born Ilich Ramirez Sanchez - may soon be forced to stand trial in France for his alleged participation in four deadly terror bombings in 1982 and 1983, according to a French judicial official speaking on condition of anonymity Friday. Jean-Louis Bruguiere [BBC profile], France's top anti-terror judge, reportedly plans to bring the charges against Sanchez, whom he has tracked for decades. Sanchez has been implicated for his role in deadly bombings, hostage takings, and assassinations in Europe during the 1970s and 1980s, and he is currently serving a life sentence for the murders of two French secret agents and an alleged informer in 1975.

I'm not very interested in American politics, either.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 02:25 pm
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Jean-Louis Bruguière, France's top anti-terror judge, failed to be elected representative...
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 02:38 pm
How does the proportional system work? Do the people vote for individual legislators or for parties?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 02:44 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
How does the proportional system work? Do the people vote for individual legislators or for parties?


I might be deadly wrong, but France doesn't have a proportial system but they elect their members of the Assemblée Nationale directly.
(When I remember the various election posters I saw, both the name of the candidate as well as the party are on them in same seize. And perhaps like elsewhere, some vote only for a party disregarded however the candidate is, others focuse more on the person.)


But Francis is the expert here.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 02:45 pm
We vote for individuals...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 02:47 pm
Quote:
Legislative Elections

General or legislative elections are held to choose the 577 deputies who sit in the National Assembly; they are elected for a five-year term by direct universal suffrage on the two-ballot, uninominal majority system. Each deputy represents a constituency which may vary in size, but has on average 100,000 inhabitants. First-past-the-post voting was introduced by General de Gaulle as an antidote to the instability which had plagued the governments of the Fourth Republic and which had been largely due to proportional representation. The proportional system was brought back for the 1986 general election by the Socialist government - which was seeking better representation for small political groups - but the first-past-the-post system was reinstated for the 1988 elections and has been retained ever since.
Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 02:51 pm
Francis wrote:
We vote for individuals...


I know a French citizen in my neighbourhood who votes for her party - and I listened to some interviews today, where quite a few said the same ... admitting that they all obviously support(ed) a certain minority party :wink:
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 03:14 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
How does the proportional system work? Do the people vote for individual legislators or for parties?

No proportional representation in France as the others already said..

In fact, the current French district system tends to have less proportional results than pretty much any other that I know - see my response about that last Wednesday (the post after that, too).
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 03:28 pm
And on a different note...

We've talked about how Segolene Royal, the losing Socialist presidential candidate last month (tho she didnt do too badly), is half of France's "power couple" - her relationship with Francois Hollande, Socialist Party chief, political rival and significant other, has certainly attracted some interest and speculation.

Well, theyve split up.

The revelation that they split up at some point in the past, with Segolene refusing to say when exactly, comes in a book that will be published on Wednesday.

(Now that would be totally unthinkable, I think, for a presidential candidate to keep that secret until the elections are over, in the US or the UK - and I think the difference reflects well on France..)

Segolene in the book requests not to be called Hollande's "partner" anymore, since "that is no longer the case". She adds:

"J'ai demandé à François Hollande de quitter le domicile, de vivre son histoire sentimentale de son côté, désormais étalée dans les livres et les journaux, et je lui ai souhaité d'être heureux. .. On est en bons termes, on se parle, il y a du respect mutuel."

Royal is widely expected to stand as candidate to succeed Hollande as party chief, and considering the turmoil in the party it's in her interest to have those elections be held as soon as possible; but Hollande has been trying to hold on to the office and push the election date forward.

Oy, must that have been.. stressful. And am I glad I dont work at France's Socialist Party HQ. :wink:
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2007 03:36 pm
Socialist senator Jean-Luc Mélenchon points out that, with the Socialist Party at over 190 seats now, the government will not have the 60% of the votes it needs to change the constitution - putting a significant brake on any drastic conservative measures.
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