Setanta wrote:McGentrix wrote:Setanta, are you suggesting that using the term "neanderthal" as an insult, or as a descriptive term is somehow a misuse of the term?
Yes, that is precisely what i am saying. It demonstrates an ignorance of
homo neanderthalis which is equivalent to the uninformed attitudes of people in the 19th century at the time of the discovery of the first Neanderthal remains. That individual has since been identified as a middle-aged sufferer of severe arthritis, and the myth of Neanderthal a hunched, lumbering, un-graceful and hulking ignoramus was long ago dispelled. Reputable paeleoanthropologists now believe that
homo neanderthalis was not in fact a separate species, and has survived in the modern human genome through interbreeding with
homo sapiens sapiens.
Thinking that Neanderthal is a plausible insult is evidence of ignorance, which is why i have said as much.
Quote:However, Neanderthals and modern humans (Homo sapiens) are very similar anatomically -- so similar, in fact, that in 1964, it was proposed that Neanderthals are not even a separate species from modern humans, but that the two forms represent two subspecies: Homo sapiens neanderthalensis and Homo sapiens sapiens.
LSM was sufficiently clever to have done a web search for Neanderthal, but sufficiently ill-informed to have simply copied the first line of a Wikipedia search result, which states that Neanderthal are a separate species. As the quote above shows, this is not a universally held opinion. There is no evidence from the fossil record that Neanderthals were stupid (they in fact had a larger brain case, although that is not evidence of intelligence, either--but they were sophisticated tool-makers and -users).
The source for the quote above is the Smithsonian Institution.
Like many words in the English language, Neanderthal has many meanings. For you to have drummed up this much hype, would lead me to believe you are trying to hide something. A simple search solved the problem. Perhaps this will help you come down from your lofty perch on the imaginary highground you always try to hold.
Main Entry:
Ne·an·der·thal
Pronunciation: nE-'an-d&r-"tol, -"thol; nA-'än-d&r-"täl
Function: noun
Etymology: Neanderthal, valley in western Germany
1 or Ne·an·der·tal /-"tol, -"täl/ : a hominid (Homo neanderthalensis syn H. sapiens neanderthalensis) known from skeletal remains in Europe, northern Africa, and western Asia that lived from about 30,000 to 200,000 years ago -- called also Neanderthal man
2 : one who suggests a caveman in appearance, mentality, or behavior
- Neanderthal or Neandertal adjective
- Ne·an·der·thal·oid /-"to-"loid, -"tho-, -"tä-/ adjective or noun
Clearly, LSM was using definition 2, and using it quite appropriately.