Which Will Hurt Obama The Most

Haven't you heard, Nimh? I'm a liberal too!

Zippo wrote:

There is nothing wrong with criticizing people names/religions. Especially if they have a chance of becoming America's future president. LoneStarMadam is completely faultless. However, what i would really like to know is, why people don't do the same with Jewish names in powerful government positions ?

Double Standards ?

Dennis Miller commented that Joe Lieberman's campaign wasn't gaining much steam because people kept mispronouncing his name "Jew Jewberman". Why would you want to see more ridicule of Jewish names in powerful government postions anyway?

sozobe wrote:

Gosh, this is shading into the surreal.

Your topic title is which one will hurt him MOST. Inherent in that -- they'll all hurt him, to varying degrees. Inherent in that -- as factors that will hurt him to varying degrees, they're all negative.

Gotta disagree with you there, Soz. Too many threads like this, and superficial crap like this in general may very well force me to throw my vote Obama's way... just out of a sense of fair play (Outside of Giuliani or McCain, at this juncture, he's probably going to get it anyway.).

LoneStarMadam wrote:

nimh I said at least some liberals, you decide which camp you're in, I just read & watch & decide who I think is holier than thou.

Oh, I'm more than a liberal - I'm a leftist.

But in those two posts, you sure seemed to automatically classify Phoenix as a liberal - which was rather silly, considering her political views and voting record.

The issue in the background here, of course, is that your definition of liberal appears to be, "anyone who criticizes me". O'Bill, Phoenix - all you need is a sign or two that someone doesnt go along with your talk radio-style political bashing games and - presto - they must be liberals.

Typical, really. If you're not with us, you're against us. If you dont support the Bush line on Iraq, you're supporting the terrorists. "Which camp are you in?", indeed - in your world, there's just "ours" and "theirs".

This mindset, of course, is exactly what had you guys lose the elections; it ended up the perfect way to repell independent voters who'd still gone Bush in 00 or 04 - like Phoenix and O'Bill, for example.

As a leftwinger I'd say, keep up the good work. Get your Brownback, Hunter, Rice or Romney nominated in '08, and end up a bitter minority.

You seemed, at least that's an improvement.

I deplore socialism, [..] it's just so anti democratic/capatalistic.

Whoa... socialism ain't capitalism. Slow down, LSW, it's just too frikkin cerebral.

OCCOM BILL wrote:

Too many threads like this, and superficial crap like this in general may very well force me to throw my vote Obama's way... just out of a sense of fair play (Outside of Giuliani or McCain, at this juncture, he's probably going to get it anyway.).

I can only aspire not to vote the way you do, your sound judgement leaves some to be desired.

LoneStarMadam wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

Too many threads like this, and superficial crap like this in general may very well force me to throw my vote Obama's way... just out of a sense of fair play (Outside of Giuliani or McCain, at this juncture, he's probably going to get it anyway.).

I can only aspire not to vote the way you do, your sound judgement leaves some to be desired.

Well, you did vote the same way as him, in the 2000 and 2004 presidentials. Does that come as a surprise?

He obviously did, yes.

But if you cant even win over the likes of him or Phoenix in the next elections, you can forget about winning.

Please don't back Hillary... because I don't want to vote for another Republican Hardliner... and you damn sure don't want her to lose to one. Choose Obama... and force the Republicans to at least nominate a moderate... or lose, eh?

what does his name have to do with anything? he is a christian (though i don't care what religion anyone is), born and raised in the u.s. of a. and anyone with 2 brain cells will not judge anyone else just by his name. he didn't choose it for himself. shrug, who really cares.

Phoenix and I have definitely been leaning right lately, but if memory serves; I voted for Nader in 2000 because the party fools both struck me as idiots of the same cloth... I honestly couldn't tell the difference… and I think Phoenix actually voted for Gore. 2004, we were both reluctant Bush votes... but I suspect that's mostly because in the post 911 world neither of us could bring ourselves to vote for a weathervane. In an evil world; the evil you know is better than the evil you couldn't possibly know.

I still have never been told by anyone what, outside of personalities and the fact she voted for the Iraq war, is so wrong with Hillary.

A miracle just occured. Bear and I totally agree. Now I believe in God again.

Bill wrote:

Phoenix and I have definitely been leaning right lately, but if memory serves; I voted for Nader in 2000 because the party fools both struck me as idiots of the same cloth... I honestly couldn't tell the difference… and I think Phoenix actually voted for Gore. 2004, we were both reluctant Bush votes... but I suspect that's mostly because in the post 911 world neither of us could bring ourselves to vote for a weathervane. In an evil world; the evil you know is better than the evil you couldn't possibly know.

You have got that right Bill.................I voted for Gore in 2000, 'cause I thought that Bush was a schmuck. I voted for Bush in 2004 'cause I didn't know what the hell Kerry was.

Just for the record, so that no one gets too confused. I am extremely on the left socially, and extremely on the right economically. I believe in the smallest government possible, (with an eye to the practical and realistic), whose main job is defense, within and without.

I deeply resent paying my hard earned and saved money to fund some politico's pork barrel programs, no matter how well meaning. I have no problem paying for defense, so long as the government does not get into an ill conceived, unwinnable war, with no end in sight.

I believe that the government needs to stay out of our bedrooms, our laboratories, and our bodies. I believe in the right to bear arms, but think that there needs to be some kinds of checks in place so that firepower does not get into the hands of cuckoos and nutjobs.

I believe in strict separation of church and state. If a person wants to send their kids to a religious school, that is fine with me, but not on my ass.

I don't know why I went on this whole rap, but I simply wanted to set the record straight. As any person with an IQ over that of a fruit fly can discern, there will probably be no presidential candidate whom I would totally endorse, so my vote is up for grabs. It is all a matter of priorities as to whom I would consider, and my vote could go to someone from either party, or even an Independent, if a viable candidate came along.