The World According To Jimmy Carter

Would Jiimmy lifting tose copyrighted maps be illegal?

Jimmy Carter Tells Truth about Palestine but Lies about Israel

By: Genevieve Cora Fraser

Jimmy Carter tells the truth about the impact of the Israeli Occupation on Palestine in "Palestine: Peace not Apartheid." In Gaza, Israel is practicing a slow form of genocide where the people are sealed off from the world and encounter non-stop military assaults, he points out. And the Wall Israel is erecting separates Palestinians from Palestinians. The Wall steals Palestinian land just as the illegal settlements do, and is creating a prison. But Carter is far from candid about the crisis in Israel itself, claiming that Arab Israelis enjoy full rights as citizens and that it is a wonderful and open society.

Sure, Arab Israelis can vote and have a few token representatives in the Knesset, but they do not have full rights as citizens - or human rights for that matter. In January, for example, Shimon Peres requested the ethnic cleansing of over 40,000 Arab Israelis from their centuries old villages, the Knesset voted for it, and shortly thereafter the bulldozers arrived. The purpose was to clear out the people to put up luxury condos for Jews-only.

And this summer before the war on Lebanon, Israeli Jews were fighting Jews in riots. The White Ashkenazi Jews didn't like the Middle Eastern Jews driving on their streets or walking on their sidewalks. Why? Because, according to the non-Semite Jews, they are religiously superior to Jews of color. And during the war, it was the Arab Israelis who were killed because Israel had not provided warning sirens or air raid shelters to their communities. Ironically, it was Hezbollah that warned the Arab villages in Southern Israel that they were about to attack.

If you want the facts - read the Israeli papers as I do. Israel is an extremely racist country as anyone who lives there, or has spent time there knows. Whether or not they admit it is another story. Yes, Jimmy Carter would have us believe that Israel behaves one way toward the Palestinian Arabs and in a completely opposite way toward the Arabs in Israel. No, Mr. President, Israeli racism is consistent inside and outside of Israel for Arabs whether they are Jews or non-Jewish.

News Flash for LSM, the dems won Congress.

Question for dyslexia, do Dems believe that they own the justice system?

Lets make a list
(1) Iraq
(2) Afghanistan
(3) N Korea
(4) Darfur
(5) Jimmy Carter lifting some maps.
LSM concerns?

That's interesting that Carter stole the maps from Ross when your article says this..


It seems Carters map is not the one that Ross published if we are to believe this article. Now Ross is suing? Do you have a source?

"in a telephone interview Thursday evening, Stein offered a narrower criticism. "It appears that at least two maps that came out of the Carter book were or are very closely similar, or unusually similar, to maps that were produced and published in Dennis Ross' book 'The Missing Peace,' " Stein said.

That book, published in 2004, is also about the search for peace in the Middle East. "This could be incredibly coincidental, or it could not," Stein said. "But it goes to the way history books should be written, and the way citations should be made when material is borrowed."

This might be a silly question, but aren't most maps duplicates of each other with a little embellishment and added specialized detail here and there?

The geography doesn't get up and move to the north one day and then to the west the next.

Is it the stylised artwork they claim to have been swiped or duplicated?

If I use a different type of writing implement to trace the outline of a previously published map, and publish it, is that stealing? For example, paintbrush vs. ink pen.

The issue, for Lonestarmadam is that the dems won congress and FDR/Carter are now the total villians and something must be found to divert attention for the reps loss.

I don't have to remind you, Dys, but perhaps LSM doesn't understand why, all of a sudden, the right is all exercised about Jimmy Carter. It's because he thinks you can negotiate your way to peace in the Middle East. He thinks the USA should actually talk to Hamas, you know, the democratically elected governing party of the Palestinian government in Gaza? The right wing Republicans running things in Washington, the ones who think we can just plunk democracy down anywhere and it will flourish, refuse to talk to Hamas. Why not? Aren't they the ELECTED representatives of Gaza? Well, yes, but the wingnuts won't talk to anybody they don't like. In other words, screw democracy.

Meanwhile, back to Jimmy, the right is trying to find something, anything, to throw a little muck onto him so that they can continue to ignore him and his reality based view of the world.

Joe(and he's a pretty good Christian for being a Democrat)Nation

A bit of Carter in this week's New Yorker - for those interested in him.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/061211ta_talk_paumgarten

something tells me we won't be seeing GW helping to build habitat for humanity homes in two years

butrflynet's question is not a silly one. indeed, since everyone seems to have agreed on the size and shape of the world in geographic terms, maps will be generally similar with the differences mentioned etc.

in terms of copyright, it either is or it is not the same map(s).

also, there could be another factor relevant before spanking jimmy...

if the ross maps were created while working for the government or the clinton administration and copyrighted as a "work for hire", then the ross would not necessarily own the work. so, if say, bill clinton owned the copyrights, he could allow carter to use the work, and if so inclined, without credits.

bottom line is that ross will need, as was said in another post, to produce the certified copy of his copyright to pursue this. of course, he'll have one for the entire book, but from what the previous post said, i think it does sound like a commissioned work as far as the maps go.

in which there are some cases where a company(or whoever) will declare that anything produced while you are in they're employ is automatically considered the property of the employer.

most likely, though, the guy is just making a fuss to bolster a sagging book performance....

I presume they even showed the same geographical area...?

well, actually one was the area around Toledo Ohio while the other was the area around Toledo Espania.

Darn, I hadn't seen that DTOM actually answered the question seriously. Nevermind.

The problem here, is that most of you, even Dys, are being factual and rational. Where's the fun?

no worries,oe. i may have mispoke. it just occured to me that in the last few years, the location of europe was in question. but that was don rums...

uh, nevermind..

Well, not the geography in this case but probably the borders. I'm guessing these were maps of proposed borders and/or current settlement and occupation activity.