Americans United for Separation of Church and State

LoneStarMadam wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

....that said;

imho, school is readin', 'ritin' & 'rithmatic. no fourth "r" for religion. i don't mind a "moment of silent meditation" at the beginning of the day. that's what they had when i was in school; and it seemed to work for everybody.

School USED to be readin, ritin, & rithmatic, AND even the Lords Prayer was recited, I have never heard of anyone that was harmed by that...

perhaps you can imagine what it would be like to have, on a daily basis, someone else's beliefs forced on you.

would you care to have another, one of authority, insist that you recite the liturgy of their religion in place of your own?

would you deny and bury your beliefs/religion/practice every day just to avoid making waves?

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

....that said;

imho, school is readin', 'ritin' & 'rithmatic. no fourth "r" for religion. i don't mind a "moment of silent meditation" at the beginning of the day. that's what they had when i was in school; and it seemed to work for everybody.

School USED to be readin, ritin, & rithmatic, AND even the Lords Prayer was recited, I have never heard of anyone that was harmed by that...

perhaps you can imagine what it would be like to have, on a daily basis, someone else's beliefs forced on you.

would you care to have another, one of authority, insist that you recite the liturgy of their religion in place of your own?

would you deny and bury your beliefs/religion/practice every day just to avoid making waves?

I know what it is like to have others beliefs forced on you. How about the gay agenda when it is taught in the schools and children are forced to accept homosexuality.

what ?!?!?? i had no idea that schools were forcing children to engage in homosexual acts. when did that start ?

i thought we were talking about religion....

When it comes to praying before a sports game, I don't see an issue. As long as the coach doesn't force players to play and as long as their non-prayer doesn't affect their playing in the game then who cares.

their "non-prayer doesn't affect their playing in the game" ?? whaddaya mean ? is your god handing out penalties and injuries to those that don't join in on the pre-game prayer meeting?

It seems that the only religion that is allowed to be taught and isn't complained about by the libs is Islam.

islam is no different. a cursary discussion is fine in context of teaching about the culture of a people or country. in depth should be in an elective class clearly defined as one inspecting religions.

btw, is the forced islamic prayer conducted before or after the forced homosexual activities ?

just wunderin'...

The same rules should be applied to all religions in school but that doesn't seem to happen.

and you wonder why ???

if you insist that one religion(in this case christianity) be given a morning prayer in school, other religions will want the same airtime. america being a liberal democratic republic, they aren't out of line wanting that.

great. now the entire morning is taken up with having children praying instead of learning how to read. that's efficient.

what ?!?!?? i had no idea that schools were forcing children to engage in homosexual acts. when did that start ?

i thought we were talking about religion....

their "non-prayer doesn't affect their playing in the game" ?? whaddaya mean ? is your god handing out penalties and injuries to those that don't join in on the pre-game prayer meeting?

islam is no different. a cursary discussion is fine in context of teaching about the culture of a people or country. in depth should be in an elective class clearly defined as one inspecting religions.

btw, is the forced islamic prayer conducted before or after the forced homosexual activities ?

just wunderin'...

if you insist that one religion(in this case christianity) be given a morning prayer in school, other religions will want the same airtime. america being a liberal democratic republic, they aren't out of line wanting that.

great. now the entire morning is taken up with having children praying instead of learning how to read. that's efficient.

so here's what i'd like to know;

why do kids need to pray in school when they can just as easily do it at home; before classes ??

nobody has ever explained that...

Hurt by praying? Well, if we can use the evidence from past and current history, I'm sure all those people of religion prayed, then went on and killed who they thought were enemies. Their praying made them think some omnipotent imagined god was on "their" side, then strapped on some bombs on their bodies and killed many innocent people with their "suicide." It's the consequences that results from praying that is dangerious whether it's the christian god or allah. We don't know what they are planning to do by talking to their "god."

Show us this analysis is wrong by evidence. Show us praying has been positive in any society/culture.

Hurt by praying? Well, if we can use the evidence from past and current history, I'm sure all those people of religion prayed, then went on and killed who they thought were enemies. Their praying made them think some omnipotent imagined god was on "their" side, then strapped on some bombs on their bodies and killed many innocent people with their "suicide." It's the consequences that results from praying that is dangerious whether it's the christian god or allah. We don't know what they are planning to do by talking to their "god."

Show us this analysis is wrong by evidence. Show us praying has been positive in any society/culture.

Christanity has been a peaceful religion for a long time now. The same can't be said about Islam. Sure in its past it has had its times of peace and violence but in the last 30 years or so it hasn't been very peaceful.

Baldimo wrote:

Christanity has been a peaceful religion for a long time now. The same can't be said about Islam. Sure in its past it has had its times of peace and violence but in the last 30 years or so it hasn't been very peaceful.

It's been less than thirty years since Catholics and Protestants in Ireland have killed one another. Orthodox Serbs have gleefully killed Catholic Slovenes and Croats, and nominally Muslim Bosnians and Kosovars within the last ten years. Orthodox Russians continue to kill Muslim Ingush and Chechen tribesmen right up to the present.

Your view is very selective, and convenient to an ill-considered argument.

DontTreadOnMe:

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what ?!?!?? i had no idea that schools were forcing children to engage in homosexual acts. when did that start ?

i thought we were talking about religion....

No they are forcing them to learn about the lifestyle as well as forcing tolerence regardless of what the parents are being taught.

how are they doing that ? and what do you mean "forcing tolerance" ?

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their "non-prayer doesn't affect their playing in the game" ?? whaddaya mean ? is your god handing out penalties and injuries to those that don't join in on the pre-game prayer meeting?

I was refering to the coach not letting them play if they don't play.

really no way to tell what is in a coach's mind when he does or does not field a player is there?

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islam is no different. a cursary discussion is fine in context of teaching about the culture of a people or country. in depth should be in an elective class clearly defined as one inspecting religions.

btw, is the forced islamic prayer conducted before or after the forced homosexual activities ?

just wunderin'...

If it is no different them how come there is a mandatory 3 week class on Islam in a CA school district for 7th graders and the ACLU is no where to be found. In fact the same 9th appeals court that ruled "In God We Trust" as unConstitutional ruled that the class was fine. As I said the libs don't seem to be doing anything about this.

damn dude... that's from 2002. JANUARY of 2002. 2+ months after the wtc. is it not possible that perhaps the idea was to lessen the fear of young kids about ALL muslims being terrorists ? maybe ?

i do agree that the name and clothing thing is a little out there.

also, the complaints seem to have been registered mostly by folks like jay sekulow and the catholic league etc... so go figure. noone likes competition in the mind control game....

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if you insist that one religion(in this case christianity) be given a morning prayer in school, other religions will want the same airtime. america being a liberal democratic republic, they aren't out of line wanting that.

Don't think I ever said that. I didn't know the US was a liberal republic.

i said a "liberal democratic republic". referrence bush's repeated calls for the establishment of a "liberal democracy" in iraq.

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great. now the entire morning is taken up with having children praying instead of learning how to read. that's efficient.

If that were all they were learning then I wouldn't have an issue. I don't know about your children, but both of my children get a grade for Diversity in school. So they are teaching things other then the big R's.

i'm not sure that "diversity" training is all that much different than "civics" or "good citizenship" back in the day. it's still essentially the idea of "respecting others" isn't it ?

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so here's what i'd like to know;

why do kids need to pray in school when they can just as easily do it at home; before classes ??

nobody has ever explained that...

Once again I'm not advocating prayer in class in fact I would perfer if there was any religion in school, but there seems to be a preference for teaching religions other then Christianity in the public school system. Like I said, there is a 3 week forced study program on Islam but no other religions get the same treatment.

Explain why kids can't or shouldn't pray in school. Again, does anyone know of anybody that's been hurt by praying?

The 19 bombers of September 11th were Saudi nationals who were in the country illegally.

Setanta wrote:

The 19 bombers of September 11th were Saudi nationals who were in the country illegally.

you mean they weren't iraqi ??? but, but grampa dick said....

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

Setanta wrote:

The 19 bombers of September 11th were Saudi nationals who were in the country illegally.

you mean they weren't iraqi ??? but, but grampa dick said....

I'm sorry, Boss . . . i should never contradict Grandpa Dick . . .

Not all of the suicide/murdereous 911 terrorists were here illegally.