Foley Quits Amid Allegations of Email Sex Scandal

Still looking for better links to this, but Matt Drudge is blaming the teenaged congressional pages for "egging the Congressman on".

How low will they go?


http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/02/the-eggman-says-kids-are-egging-the-congressman-on/

Now that the allegations are out, and the FBI investigation is in full swing, I might as well come clean.

I am Rep. Mark Foley, and I have been passing myself off as a twenty-something heterosexual in order to hide the ugly truth.

But I hate to leave you all without first making this proposition: if there are any fourteen year-old boys reading this, we could, if you want to, go cruising in my BMW. Maybe go to Outback and eat a Bloomin' Onion. Later I could give you a massage, and we'd just see what develops...

Rep. Foley Should Have Been Booted a Long Time Ago
Monday, October 02, 2006
By John Gibson foxnews.com

The Republican leaders of the House, Dennis Hastert and John Boehner, are going to end up taking the blame for the Foley caper because if they didn't know what Foley was saying to that page, they should have.

Here's why I say that:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217173,00.html

Oh. Stop. My sides. I can't take it.

Such classy wit

I've explained it pretty clearly dude. I think that his concern for protecting children from sexual predators may have been genuine. And I think the claims that there was a Republican coverup ignore some key facts (that I have already detailed).

I understand that we likely disagree on both counts but there's not much more to say on the subject.

Oh!

Experience, though noon auctoritee
Were in this world, is right ynogh for me



Now I shall have to go and re-look at Aristotle!


I have mainly read him re ethics....

The relevancy is simply that this is nothing new. Especially in politics, where men in power have always been allowed quite alot of freedom to pursue their particular habits without repurcussion. Until recently.

I think dys' answer was more accurate.

Right. The conceits of dozens of cyberstrangers, and what "class" means to you, REALLY interests me.

That raises interesting questions.


There was, in fact, a whole culture supporting ephebophilia...which included, as I understand it, duties and oblligations of the older man toward the younger...thus he was a mentor and teacher.

Also, as I understand it, the ideal was NOT to have a sexual relationship, but to sublimate the feelings into a "higher" bond.


I had understood that Socrates was not supportive of the relationship becoming sexual...though one wonders about Alcibiades...... I do not know anything about Aristotle in this regard.


It also was not especially "men in power" who behaved thus, but mature men of the higher classes...especially as part of the warrior tradition. Of course, they were older and thus had a position of some power.


I do wonder what, if any difference, an honourable (think of the Theban band) cultural place for the emotion, if not the act, had on any damage done to the boys?

Modern paedophiles frequently attempt to use this tradition to justify their behaviour......but I think, in our culture, that this is self-serving bullshit...we would not use Athenian customs of slavery and subjugation of women to justify their resumption today.


In a sense, where the age of consent is placed is somewhat arbitrary, but in my view this arbitrariness is difficult to avoid, and worth bearing with for the sake of the wider good of discouraging sexual abuse.


I am not really sure that you can view ancient Greeks' behaviour through the same lens that we use today...for starters, young men were warriors at an age where our kids are mostly still schoolkids...and pages.



Lord...what a rant!

Now you're poetic? This gets better with each post.

No nimh, not name dropping. That would mean I was insinuating I knew the man.

I know of the man...as a respected literary critic. That he was also Hungarian and Marxist seemed to make him a perfect selection for my purpose.

Yes, yes I know that our kuvasz is not actually a Marxist, but I enjoy when he defends his capitalist bona fides and maybe if he doesn't read this far he'll indulge me.

At last, the Republicrats are showing that they are the party of slime and corruption. There is a long line of pederasts connected to the Republican Party as far back at World War II. The Republicans are trying to smear gays by calling Foley gay. He is not gay. He is a pederast. Gays are not pederasts and are as faithful to thier partners are most married people.
Gays are not pederasts. Foley is not gay. He is a pederast. There is a difference.

once again, you are too stupid to know that poetry rests on metaphor. Tex Cobb indeed.

Ah - thank you for the English lesson.

Well, we can all forget the Foley matter. Rush says that it was just a Democrat set-up, who could care less about the pages. Matt Drudge says pretty much the same thing.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200610020013?src=other#

* Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" e-mails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year-old boy.

* Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a 13-year-old girl on the Internet.

* Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year-old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year-old girl and was sentenced to 10 years' probation.

* Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year-old boy.

* Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.

* Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.

* Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13- and 14-year-old girls.

* Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year-old girls.

* Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the Internet.

* Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year-old girls.

* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

* Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

* Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year-old girl he murdered.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years' probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year-old girl.

* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year-old black girl, which produced a child.

* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year-old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.

* Republican activist Lawrence E. King Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and
sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

* Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his stepdaughter.

* Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police
on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year-old boy and possession of child pornography.

* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year-old babysitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

* Republican talk-show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11-year-old girl.

* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year-old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the Internet from a 14-year-old girl.

* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year-old boy.

* Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e., exposing himself to children).

* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year-old girl.

* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a boy.

* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6 months in prison.

* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer
and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the Internet.

* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

* Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.

* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year-old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

* Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year-old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

* Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.

I am sure Rush is referring to Studds and how the Democratic leadership at the time looked the other way. Keep in mind Studds went far beyond emails with his page.

Dys
Dys, great research.

So many fanatic religious leaders preach hatred of sex and sin because they can't control their own urges. They hate females because they blame them for seduction. It's always the females fault, ain't it?

BBB

I won't defend Foley, but in response to dys's unfair and unbalanced post:

Democrat Ted Kennedy, guilty of murder, gets a life sentence in the U.S. Senate.